Warning - graphic Police camera from yesterday

[Hawkman98]

As much as I call out LEO when I think they are wrong. I always want to applaud them when they do right @Hawkman98 These LEO acted admirably. I know if I was in that situation, my adrenaline would have been so high, that I might have a heart attack after it was all done.

This was textbook and how most police are trained. We are trained if we don't hear active shooters we start by going room by room clearing them looking for the suspect which is exactly what the first 3 cops did. We are trained to step over injured and those asking for help and go to the source of the shooting. Once you hear the shooting start again, you go to the sound and eliminate the threat which is exactly as these cops did. They all had great communication and you could tell they were well trained. Beautifully executed!! Well done to everyone involved!!

 

[Jimmy McGill]

This was textbook and how most police are trained. We are trained if we don't hear active shooters we start by going room by room clearing them looking for the suspect which is exactly what the first 3 cops did. We are trained to step over injured and those asking for help and go to the source of the shooting. Once you hear the shooting start again, you go to the sound and eliminate the threat which is exactly as these cops did. They all had great communication and you could tell they were well trained. Beautifully executed!! Well done to everyone involved!!

One of the most professional jobs I've seen. Granted, I'm not LEO, but I've viewed a ton of videos in law.

 

[Hawkman98]

One of the most professional jobs I've seen. Granted, I'm not LEO, but I've viewed a ton of videos in law.

I would hope this is how most cops would act, but under the stress, cops fail. There isn't a way to train for a situation like that. Hopefully, this situation will be used for training LE in the future.

 

[hawkeye54545]

Am I reading this thread right, that we are supposed to be feeling sympathy for mass murderers now? That's kind of effed up.

I have seen numerous posts on how people wish Covid would thin the herd and kill off certain people with opposing views yet mass murderers get sympathy.

Weird times

 

[artradley]

This is a thread about some amazing cops doing an excellent job and saving people's lives. You have no idea if they felt guilt to act. Stop being a peace of human trash for 5 ****ing minutes or go be a piece of shit somewhere else.

He did get called out in a post that clearly diverged from the point of the thread.

Excellent police work, btw.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I would hope this is how most cops would act, but under the stress, cops fail. There isn't a way to train for a situation like that. Hopefully, this situation will be used for training LE in the future.

Here is my issue. We send men into war all of the time and only a tiny percentage of them fail to do their duty under those circumstances which are arguably tougher. (And I don't mean that as a disrespect to what the cops did, but I would argue war is probably more stressful than a single shooter.)

So what is the difference and what can we do to up the number of cops who do their duty?

My thought was something like the UCMJ but for police officers. Soldiers go to prison for cowardice in the face of the enemy. Hell they can technically be executed for it (we just havn't done it since 1 time in WW2). I think cops should be held to the same standard.

 

[DooBi]

Here is my issue. We send men into war all of the time and only a tiny percentage of them fail to do their duty under those circumstances which are arguably tougher. (And I don't mean that as a disrespect to what the cops did, but I would argue war is probably more stressful than a single shooter.)

So what is the difference and what can we do to up the number of cops who do their duty?

My thought was something like the UCMJ but for police officers. Soldiers go to prison for cowardice in the face of the enemy. Hell they can technically be executed for it (we just havn't done it since 1 time in WW2). I think cops should be held to the same standard.

I think the difference is 5 minutes earlier the cops were thinking about what they were going to make for supper and whether or not they will see any speeders or jaywalkers on the way home. Soldiers expect war, police do not. Totally different mindset.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I think the difference is 5 minutes earlier the cops were thinking about what they were going to make for supper and whether or not they will see any speeders or jaywalkers on the way home. Soldiers expect war, police do not. Totally different mindset.

Not necessarily. . . guys who were at Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th, 1941 were not expecting war, we certainly caught surprised but still rushed to do their duty and fight back. You might even remember Doris Miller ran in and manned a weapon he wasn't trained on and shot down multiple enemy aircraft.

The day after that hundreds of thousands of young men who were not expecting war beforehand flooded the military recruitment stations.

 

[markfromj]

You’re making a lot of assumptions.

No. Asking questions.

 

[markfromj]

Am I reading this thread right, that we are supposed to be feeling sympathy for mass murderers now?

No.

But I ask you to consider having some empathy for a perp that MAYBE was suffering badly, and as a result lost their life,

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

This was textbook and how most police are trained. We are trained if we don't hear active shooters we start by going room by room clearing them looking for the suspect which is exactly what the first 3 cops did. We are trained to step over injured and those asking for help and go to the source of the shooting. Once you hear the shooting start again, you go to the sound and eliminate the threat which is exactly as these cops did. They all had great communication and you could tell they were well trained. Beautifully executed!! Well done to everyone involved!!

It was well done. There was no doubt in this instance there was a threat that had to be dealt with as priority number one. Easy to see that. I can’t imagine the less than obvious situations that you guys have to deal with that may end up in a shoot out such as this.

 

[FSUTribe76]

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Anyone who laughs at that is an inhuman piece of %*% for multiple reasons. 1) Mocking a class of humanity that is frequently abused and bullied and ignoring that statistically 98% of the mass murderers of children are straight males and 60% are white. 2) This is a situation where at least 6 innocent children and teachers were murdered. 3) Laughing over any picture of a dead body is about as inhuman and ghoulish as someone can get short of humping or mutilating it and is a clear sign of mental illness.

 

[Pete Malloy]

Anyone who laughs at that is an inhuman piece of %*% for multiple reasons. 1) Mocking a class of humanity that is frequently abused and bullied and ignoring that statistically 98% of the mass murderers of children are straight males and 60% are white. 2) This is a situation where at least 6 innocent children and teachers were murdered. 3) Laughing over any picture of a dead body is about as inhuman and ghoulish as someone can get short of humping or mutilating it and is a clear sign of mental illness.

Let’s not give the shooter 1 oz of respect or sympathy. If anything bad happened in their life it gave them no incentive to do what they did.

It should have offed themselves if they wanted to die.

 

[Ignored]

No.

But I ask you to consider having some empathy for a perp that MAYBE was suffering badly, and as a result lost their life,

I might...only after her victims' bodies are cold, though.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Anyone who laughs at that is an inhuman piece of %*% for multiple reasons. 1) Mocking a class of humanity that is frequently abused and bullied and ignoring that statistically 98% of the mass murderers of children are straight males and 60% are white. 2) This is a situation where at least 6 innocent children and teachers were murdered. 3) Laughing over any picture of a dead body is about as inhuman and ghoulish as someone can get short of humping or mutilating it and is a clear sign of mental illness.

It's certainly dark, but at the same time, the pronoun thing has become a bit of comedy in ways.

 

[Ignored]

Anyone who laughs at that is an inhuman piece of %*% for multiple reasons. 1) Mocking a class of humanity that is frequently abused and bullied and ignoring that statistically 98% of the mass murderers of children are straight males and 60% are white. 2) This is a situation where at least 6 innocent children and teachers were murdered. 3) Laughing over any picture of a dead body is about as inhuman and ghoulish as someone can get short of humping or mutilating it and is a clear sign of mental illness.

Hey, look, another one. "Won't somebody spare the poor shooter's feelings?!"

 

[Pete Malloy]

I might...only after her victims' bodies are

No.

But I ask you to consider having some empathy for a perp that MAYBE was suffering badly, and as a result lost their life,

Never.

End of story.

 

[Nole-4-Life]

I did a little too, for the perp.

The blood-thirsty here will say “F her”, like they did when I stated similar sadness for the Omaha mall shooter, but we are talking about people in such pain to get to the point where they commit these crimes. A live was lost there, too.

Yep...F her/him/they. If you're so sad you gotta kill someone just stick the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

 

[markfromj]

I might...only after her victims' bodies are cold, though.

Fair enough. They should be cold by now.

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Anyone who laughs at that is an inhuman piece of %*% for multiple reasons. 1) Mocking a class of humanity that is frequently abused and bullied and ignoring that statistically 98% of the mass murderers of children are straight males and 60% are white. 2) This is a situation where at least 6 innocent children and teachers were murdered. 3) Laughing over any picture of a dead body is about as inhuman and ghoulish as someone can get short of humping or mutilating it and is a clear sign of mental illness.

I didn’t laugh but I sure as f*ck aint sad for that pos…

 

[Hawkman98]

It was well done. There was no doubt in this instance there was a threat that had to be dealt with as priority number one. Easy to see that. I can’t imagine the less than obvious situations that you guys have to deal with that may end up in a shoot out such as this.

You bring up a very good point that is not talked about often. In mass shootings, we are going in to eliminate the threat and we have very little stress about having to make that deadly force decision. In other situations, you have to add in the stress of whether this is a good shoot or a bad shoot. You now second guess everything because of how the public may perceive things.