Was Jan 6 a "insurrection".

[mthawkeyes]

I would agree as well.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. It's the first time I've ever commented on 1/6 I believe.

I've put it in the past.

Not sure how the country can move on fighting over these things. People just get angry and call the other side names. Just look how this thread has gone.

SMH

We all have a dog in this fight. Either you believe we abide by the results of elections and transfer political power accordingly, or you believe that democracy is negotiable. If you're shaking your head, it's because you're too simple to understand this most basic principle of democratic self-governance.

 

[Rifler]

Therefore it's still VERY relevant to most people.

Most people?,.. not really.

 

[McLovin32]

I know exactly what happened.

Your own words prove that you in fact do not know exactly what happened.

I view it just like the million other riots that have happened in the last few years.

 

[millah_22]

LOL.

I know exactly what happened.

And yes, I've still moved on.

If the left did it?

Yep. Moved on.

They didn't, though. So that comment is dumb.

 

[McLovin32]

They didn't, though. So that comment is dumb.

BuT dA LeFt!!!!!!

 

[BelemNole]

Of course it was.
If you meet anyone in real life who thinks it wasn't quickly move away from them. They are the kinds of morons who accidentally blow themselves up smoking while pumping gas or taking selfies on cliff edges. Hanging out around people that fundamentally stupid puts your life at risk as well.

 

[IACub]

I would agree as well.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. It's the first time I've ever commented on 1/6 I believe.

I've put it in the past.

Not sure how the country can move on fighting over these things. People just get angry and call the other side names. Just look how this thread has gone.

SMH

I don't understand how a would-be dictator tried to stay in office through violence and you're cool with just moving on. Trump and his supporters are a clear and present danger to the United States, but your advice is to just move on.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Well?

An

 

[HawkMachine]

Politics is why I hate this place most of the time and why I hardly ever comment on threads like this.

I've mentioned I've moved on and apparently that has triggered some. LMFAO

Some of you are insufferable.

 

[mthawkeyes]

Most people?,.. not really.

If it's not most people, it's because the GOP, who like to lay claim to being and representing the "real Americans", have collectively decided the core of American self-governance is to be set aside if they find it to be inconvenient to their policy goals. With such being the case, their claims to love America and "freedom" seem to ring pretty hollow.

 

[Scruddy]

Just also going to chime in with the fact that they had a ****ing gallows outside of the capitol because they wanted to hang the sitting Vice President of the United States.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.facebook.com/redfishstream/photos/a.371605656616605/1045128982597599/%3Ftype%3D3&ved=2ahUKEwjutLfJ9dCDAxUnmYkEHTSiAEYQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3I0Tk1I5ho7bloOenI1yBY

Stolen straight from the Democrat playbook

 

[McLovin32]

Some of you are insufferable.

 

[McLovin32]

If it's not most people, it's because the GOP, who like to lay claim to being and representing the "real Americans", have collectively decided the core of American self-governance is to be set aside if they find it to be inconvenient to their policy goals. With such being the case, their claims to love America and "freedom" seem to ring pretty hollow.

Don't forget their claims of "backing the blue." That's also been proven to be a fake claim w/ how they've treated the officers that defended the capitol.

 

[cheeselog8]

Politics is why I hate this place most of the time and why I hardly ever comment on threads like this.

I've mentioned I've moved on and apparently that has triggered some. LMFAO

Some of you are insufferable.

All I see is people trying to make sure you understand the stark differences between 1/6 and the "millions" of other riots. I hope this has been informative.

 

[Rifler]

If it's not most people, it's because the GOP, who like to lay claim to being and representing the "real Americans", have collectively decided the core of American self-governance is to be set aside if they find it to be inconvenient to their policy goals. With such being the case, their claims to love America and "freedom" seem to ring pretty hollow.

No, most people don't see it as having been much different from what we witnessed in Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle & Kenosha,.. Concentrate enough stupid people in one area, stupid things tend to happen.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Politics is why I hate this place most of the time and why I hardly ever comment on threads like this.

I've mentioned I've moved on and apparently that has triggered some. LMFAO

Some of you are insufferable.

You also wondered what made people still talk about it, and you likened it to the millions of other apparently similar events.

Instead of just casting everyone else off as insufferable, why not try to understand why people treat you the way they do?

 

[McLovin32]

You also wondered what made people still talk about it, and you likened it to the millions of other apparently similar events.

Instead of just casting everyone else off as insufferable, why not try to understand why people treat you the way they do?

Ohhh I'll answer that! It's because it's easier to just say everyone you're talking to is dumb or insufferable instead of doing a little self reflection.

 

[HawkMachine]

Keep them coming.

Love you all.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Let me ask it this way:

In this scenario, imagine if me and some pals kicked down the door to your personal residence and entered without permission. Now, let's break down the situation based on the surveillance footage:

Firstly, I strolled around your home and property in a calm manner. Despite my composed demeanor, keep in mind that I'm on your premises without your consent.

Secondly, I went through your personal and private documents and belongings. Although I did it calmly, it's important to note that this is a violation of your privacy, and I'm essentially trespassing and invading your personal space.

The third point is particularly unsettling. Security arrives on the scene, but instead of taking appropriate action like arresting me, they engage in conversation. Meanwhile, I'm freely roaming your property, even claiming it as my own and stating this to the responding security officer.

Regardless of me and my pal's calm demeanor, the fact remains I'm trespassing, invading your privacy, and essentially asserting ownership of your property. The lack of immediate intervention from security is irksome, but really not a negating factor to the wrong-doing. Two wrongs don't make a right.

In real-life terms, such a situation would be completely unacceptable, right? Breaking into someone's home, going through their belongings, and claiming their property as my own is a clear violation of personal space and security.

Conversely, the events of Jan 6th were marked by a complex interplay of calm and violent actions. While some videos captured insurrectionists walking around calmly, let me emphasize that these moments do not diminish the severity of the violence, assaults, and destruction that also occurred. Focusing solely on the calm scenes risks downplaying the significant threats posed to democratic principles and the rule of law.

The intrusion into the Capitol, where non-elected citizens took over the Senate, is a direct assault on democratic processes and government institutions. Period.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Ohhh I'll answer that! It's because it's easier to just say everyone you're talking to is dumb or insufferable instead of doing a little self reflection.

PBP

HM: Why does anyone talk about (something important)? Why do people still care about that (something important) that is the same as the millions of (something differents)?

Poster A: This is why

Poster B: Because of this

Poster C: Yeah, there's also this

Poster D: Hey Dummie, read this

HM: I've moved on. You guys are triggered by that. You're insufferable.

 

[HawkMachine]

The intrusion into the Capitol, where non-elected citizens took over the Senate, is a direct assault on democratic processes and government institutions. Period.

Took over the Senate?

Really?

How about took over the building.

 

[McLovin32]

PBP

HM: Why does anyone talk about (something important)? Why do people still care about that (something important) that is the same as the millions of (something differents)?

Poster A: This is why

Poster B: Because of this

Poster C: Yeah, there's also this

Poster D: Hey Dummie, read this

HM: I've moved on. You guys are triggered by that. You're insufferable.

This is also quite delicious.....

Not sure how the country can move on fighting over these things. People just get angry and call the other side names. Just look how this thread has gone.

SMH

Some of you are insufferable.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

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[FlickShagwell]

Yet more deflection and whataboutism from the trumpsters here. Stay in the pocket of the argument and don’t entertain their flailing.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Haven't had a poll break 100 votes in a while. We might get there!!!

 

[SocraticIshmael]

Tim Pool is great. I shared that for the fed comic though not Tim pool, though Ray Epps is clearly a federal asset of some kind.

🤣🤣

TimCast (Tim Pool) - Bias and Credibility

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You are so, so dumb, Scrubs.

 

[torbee]

I would agree as well.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. It's the first time I've ever commented on 1/6 I believe.

I've put it in the past.

Not sure how the country can move on fighting over these things. People just get angry and call the other side names. Just look how this thread has gone.

SMH

If the Insurrectionist In Chief was not the GOP's leading presidential contender, we'd ALL MOVE ON from this.

Your blame is massively displaced.

As long as that raping criminal traitor is up for election, it is every decent American's absolute DUTY to try and defeat him.

 

[torbee]

And one for Ryan/Scruddy/Dipshit-du-jour:

 

[gohawks50]

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It was a fedsurrection. An attack on the government orchestrated by that same government to then be blamed on someone else.

 

[McLovin32]

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Don't even bother attempting to convince Scruddy of anything. He lives in his weird little conspiracy world. There's zero doubt in my mind that he has photos of Donald Trump hanging all over his mother's basement.

 

[artradley]

I would agree as well.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. It's the first time I've ever commented on 1/6 I believe.

I've put it in the past.

Not sure how the country can move on fighting over these things. People just get angry and call the other side names. Just look how this thread has gone.

SMH

There are two dogs in this fight: MAGAs and Americans.

If you don't have a dog in the fight, then I don't know what to tell you. But if you're not with America, then you're against it. Trump and his cult are against it.

 

[MplsHawk]

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection​

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Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat.
2147.)


One grand jury instruction on criminal insurrection, for instance, approved by a federal circuit court in Illinois in 1894,

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Honest question -- has anyone from the January 6th "riots" been charged under 18 U.S. Code § 2383? I googled it and didn't see any that were, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If none were charged under the insurrection statute, and none are going forward, then I'd say it must not have been an insurrection. If there have been convictions for insurrection or are going forward, then I'd say it must have been an insurrection.

 

[hexumhawk]

People can label it whatever they want but if it was a serious attempt to "thwart democracy" you might have seen a gun or two, or a thousand. Just use a molecule of common sense people.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Honest question -- has anyone from the January 6th "riots" been charged under 18 U.S. Code § 2383? I googled it and didn't see any that were, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If none were charged under the insurrection statute, and none are going forward, then I'd say it must not have been an insurrection. If there have been convictions for insurrection or are going forward, then I'd say it must have been an insurrection.

I have to say, this is the most perplexing question about Jan 6 for me.

If it's a cut and dried "insurrection"...where are the charges, let alone convictions? If it's the basis for taking Orange man off the ballot. Why hasn't he been charged with it?

 

[HawkMachine]

There are two dogs in this fight: MAGAs and Americans.

If you don't have a dog in the fight, then I don't know what to tell you. But if you're not with America, then you're against it. Trump and his cult are against it.

I'm not going to respond to all the replies to me.

I'll just post one last thing.

The people that stormed the Capital were extremists. That's how I view them.

2K out of like 39M registered Republicans.

Just because you are a Republican (I agree with certain things from both sides), doesn't mean you support the 1/6 event and Trump.

That is all.

Have a great day all.

 

[torbee]

People can label it whatever they want but if it was a serious attempt to "thwart democracy" you might have seen a gun or two, or a thousand. Just use a molecule of common sense people.

Educate yourself:

Oath Keepers jury hears about massive weapon cache on Jan. 6

A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled to Washington before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol testified Wednesday about a massive cache of weapons the far-right extremist group stashed in a Virginia hotel room.

apnews.com

 

[McLovin32]

People can label it whatever they want but if it was a serious attempt to "thwart democracy" you might have seen a gun or two, or a thousand. Just use a molecule of common sense people.

This was Mike Pence. Use a molecule of common sense.

 

[MplsHawk]

I have to say, this is the most perplexing question about Jan 6 for me.

If it's a cut and dried "insurrection"...where are the charges, let alone convictions? If it's the basis for taking Orange man off the ballot. Why hasn't he been charged with it?

I agree. It seems crazy to me to remove Trump from ballots without him having been convicted of what he is being accused of. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was charged and convicted, but the presumption of guilt and automatic barring from ballots seems like a ridiculous abuse of rights.

 

[McLovin32]

Educate yourself:

View embedded media

Oath Keepers jury hears about massive weapon cache on Jan. 6

A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled to Washington before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol testified Wednesday about a massive cache of weapons the far-right extremist group stashed in a Virginia hotel room.

apnews.com

Don't forget about the multiple pipe bombs too. I believe they're still looking for the person that placed those.

 

[torbee]

I agree. It seems crazy to me to remove Trump from ballots without him having been convicted of what he is being accused of. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was charged and convicted, but the presumption of guilt and automatic barring from ballots seems like a ridiculous abuse of rights.

Here is the text of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment:

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

You may not like it, but "engaged in" does not mean "convicted of." The language is plain.