I don't even understand why they have women's restrooms. Girls don't poop. At least no woman I've ever slept with.
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I once hustled into a store bathroom for a quick dump and didn't realize until I was washing my hands after that I had gone into the women's room. I was not arrested.
Is there many cases now of boys being assaulted by pedophiles in the men's public restrooms? If not, I don't know why we'd think it would start being an issue with girls in the women's restroom. Most pedophiles don't have gender preferences.
I identify as a rich millionaire but my doctor tells my to get out and carry golf bags once or twice a week! Ha ha, funny kid, what time you due back in boys town?
While not necessarily addressing your question directly, ABC News had a story in which they have found "...no known instances of a sexual predator dressing up as a woman to commit a crime and then using similar city ordinances as a legal defense." The 'similar city ordinances' were in reference to Charlotte, NC, having a LGBT civil rights protection.
What so many supporters of the so-called 'bathroom bill' fail to mention is that this law also took away local communities rights to pass LGBT anti-discrimination ordinances. It also made it illegal for communities to pass minimum wage laws that would be higher than those set by the state.
It's government overreach at its finest -- or worst.
Were there cases of sexual predators dressing up as a woman to commit a crime, but not using the city ordinance of a defense? Not finding any instances of that happening doesn't really mean anything because how would that even be used as a defense? Guy dresses up as women and assaults a girl in the women's restroom, then uses the defense that the city ordinance said he could use the restroom? That would be a pretty weak defense.
I don't think it is an issue, but the ABC news story seems like a pretty worthless argument unless I'm missing something.
I'm in favor of enforceable measures, not fairy tales. This should be pretty cut and dry: get your gender changed via a hospital, and then Social Security office beforehand. Just like I'm in favor of gun free zones as long as precautions are taken to ensure they are gun free rather than just putting up a sign. But let's face it, these bathroom laws aren't about protecting people, they are about sanctioning law-abiding transgender people.
Things liberals don't believe exist:
1. Voter fraud
2. Racism by minorities
3. Bad motives by anyone claiming to be "transgendered".
1. Voter fraud
2. Racism by minorities
3. Bad motives by anyone claiming to be "transgendered".
Yep, rereading it and the original story, this doesn't seem like a plus or minus in the debate.
You're correct that the key would be what you said in your original clause "Were there cases of sexual predators dressing up as a woman to commit a crime..."
1. Wrong, it's just not to the extent claimed by many in the GOP.
2. Wrong, racism is 'color-blind'
.3. Wrong, bad people come from all walks of life.
Try again.
I've never robbed a bank and I'm not planning on doing it, so I'd expect banks to let me into their vault too. I mean, there ARE real bank robbers, and nothing prevents those real bank robbers from trying something... but I'm not a bank robber and would never be tempted once given access to the vault.
That's just too complicated for our enlightened lefties? I would say Target needs three bathrooms. One for men, one for women, and one for "other".
That's just too complicated for our enlightened lefties? I would say Target needs three bathrooms. One for men, one for women, and one for "other".
Pedophiles aren't really the issue here. Most of their victims are young enough that a parent is accompanying the child into the restroom or at least waiting right outside the door. I'm more concerned about teenage girls and young adult women. What do you suppose is the ratio of 15 to 30 year old females who get sexually assaulted in a given year to the number of 15 to 30 year old males who get sexually assaulted in a given year? I suspect it's a pretty significant ratio.
For what seems like the hundredth time in this thread, you don't have to dress up as a woman to enter a gender neutral bathroom.
I didn't realize how many 15-30 year old women were being sexually assaulted by fake transgendered in restrooms. Thanks for enlightening us.
And for what seems like the hundredth time, if some dude is going to walk into a women's room to rape someone, why do you think any law would encourage or impede them?
Oh, really? You're telling me that men had unfettered access to women's bathrooms prior to this policy change? If I walked into the women's room at Target a year ago no one would have tried to stop me? No one would have reported me to the manager? I wouldn't have been escorted out of the store or possibly even detained? If a male student at the University of Toronto tried to take a shower in the women's room prior to them being relabeled as gender neutral no one would have stopped him?
The difference is that under the traditional system, a man walking into a women's restroom would immediately trigger red flags and someone would likely intervene. Now they can walk in like it's business as ususal and no one can say shit about it, lest they be labeled a bigot. Once they are inside the restroom they are out of sight of pesky surveillance cameras and nosy store employees. More men being given unabated access to women's restrooms will result in an increase in sex crimes just as surely as more guns on the street results in more gun violence and more drunk drivers on the roads results in more traffic accidents.
I don't know why you assume this means that dudes will just be walking into women's restrooms. You're laser focused on this, like there's just going to be lines of rapists lined up at Target restrooms now. It's really weird.
There's no real basis for that statistic since we didn't allow men unlimited access to women's bathrooms before now. How many gun deaths were there before guns were invented? How many traffic fatalities were there before cars were invented?
And I don't know why you insist on employing ridiculous extremes in your points. Of course rapists aren't going to be "lined up" at Target restrooms, just like murderers aren't "lined up" to buy AR-15s at gun shows. But if gender neutral bathrooms become the norm and men are given free rein to go into public restrooms with women then there are going to be incidents and a lot of women are going to feel less safe about using public restrooms. You'd have to be an idiot not to realize that.
I'm using ridiculous extremes as hyperbolic examples to prove a point. This law was passed to allow transgendered to use whatever restroom they feel comfortable using. That's it. There won't be any more or any less instances of sexual assault in women's rooms because of this law that allows someone to feel comfortable while they drop the Browns off at the Superbowl.
So you aren't worried about a guy dressing up as a women and going into a women's room to assault somebody, you are more concerned with a guy just being able to go into the women's room dressed as a guy? Is that really what these policies are supposed to allow? I assumed they were meant to allow guys that dress/look/identify as women to use the women's restrooms. If transgenders are forced to use the restroom as the sex they were born, what is stopping the rapist from just going into the women's restroom and saying he is women dressed as a man?
So why has the left turned this into a gay and lesbian issue? Has NOTHING to do with them, yet every rock star is now supporting GAY RIGHTS because gays and lesbians "can't use the bathroom."
If you have to resort to hyperbole in order to prove your point then your point isn't verystrong. Are you at all familiar with the concept of unintended consequences? The intended purpose of these new laws and policies might be to help transgenders feel more comfortable when using public restrooms, but that most certainly will not be the only result of the changes. We're not just opening the door to transgenders. The side effect of these policies is that we're giving 150 million males the right to walk into women's restrooms without being challenged on it. Obviously the vast majority of men will never set foot in a women's public restroom. But many of them will, some for nefarious purposes. Of that you can be sure. You are compromising the peace of mind and safety of half the population in order to placate a million or so people, and that's no hyperbole.
Let's have this conversation just as soon as the number of men raped by women reaches a level reasonably close to the number of women raped by men.
Of course dudes will be able to "just walk in".
How else are you going to select and deselect who "feels" transgendered?
That is what this whole thread is about.
Unisex bathrooms.
There is no way to have this "law" without going full unisex.
Unless you have criteria you think needs to be posted to identify what makes a person "transgendered".
I'm pretty sure those criteria would be labeled as profiling and racist.
Not sure I explained that correctly. If transgendered are forced to use the restroom of the sex as they were born, we'd have people born as women, but identify as men, having to use the women's restroom. So these will be people that look like men (but they have vaginas) using the women's restroom. Won't a male rapist be able to go into the women's restroom dressed as he normally does, and if questioned just say he has a vagina and is transgender? The guy is willing to rape, I'm guessing he won't have any issues lying about having a vagina.
I'm not quite sure where you're going with this so I'll just reply this way. No system is perfect. There are going to be problems no matter what we do. But it seems to me the system we've been using for decades is about as close to perfect as our society is capable of getting. In an idyllic scenario I have no objection to people who are legitimately transgendered using the bathroom of their choice. The problem is that unless we have some way to identify who is legitimate and who is not, the only choice is to let everyone use the bathroom of their choice. And that's a path fraught with unintended consequences.
The reason this law was passed is because most people apparently aren't as open minded as you. "Legitimately" transgendered (not those dirty fakers!) were being denied access to the restroom they identify with.
Legitimately transgendered = not faking, which is what TJ was implying. You know, creepy pervs dressing up like women to catch a peek.
