It's beyond pathetic that we are living like beside countless Wild West style cowboys in this country! It starts and ends with strict gun control.
We need more gun control
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Where concealed carry is up, crime is down.
Gun violence is at a near 30 year low......but we are living in the "wild west".
Keep drinking that Koolaid. And keep beating that false narrative.
Keep drinking that Koolaid. And keep beating that false narrative.
In a deliberate attempt to hijack this thread,I ask you HROT gun nuts this:
What do you have for pistols and what is your favorite? Go
What do you have for pistols and what is your favorite? Go
Numerous pistols by favorite CCW is my newest a Springfield Armory XD-S® 3.3″ Single Stack 9mm
It's not since they didn't know about it in the 1700's. Are you really that dim?
I have a Kimber stainless custom II, Browning hi power centennial, colt frontier scout, ruger Mark III stainless Hunter
do three looking up yourself, Google crime rates after concealed carry enacted
So you wish there were 50,000 gun deaths a year, like with cars? And you are bucking a trend here....according to the most recent polls, support for gun rights is growing among Americans while support for gun control laws is diminishing.It's beyond pathetic that we are living like beside countless Wild West style cowboys in this country! It starts and ends with strict gun control.
That's not the point. The point, is there's a very distinct difference between the two.
OP is ignorant of what goes into a concealed carry permit and fell for the latest lefty facebook chain letter... You do pay a fee. You do have to have training. You do NOT get one if your medical history includes certain "issues".
And don't try to claim for a minute people without proper driver's licenses have access to cars they drive on a regular basis. Which is exactly what you have with unregistered guns and/or illegal carry.
The bottom line - "people are idiots" and we as a society can only legislate so much of that stupidity away.
And don't try to claim for a minute people without proper driver's licenses have access to cars they drive on a regular basis. Which is exactly what you have with unregistered guns and/or illegal carry.
The bottom line - "people are idiots" and we as a society can only legislate so much of that stupidity away.
You are right. One is based on something that is a much bigger necessity for all of us and the other is based on the needs of citizens 300 years ago.
Requirements vary dramatically from state to state. Illinois made me jump through 20 hoops of varying height. Vermont has no requirements at all.
Since when do our rights have to be driven by necessity?
To me, and millions of other Americans, being able to defend ourselves is a necessity. Let's not forget the whole reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment was to enable our citizens to discourage/fight tyranny.
Most of those restrictions simply aren't an option, as they further infringe upon our ability to exercise our constitutional right.
It's beyond pathetic that we are living like beside countless Wild West style cowboys in this country! It starts and ends with strict gun control.
You don't need a gun to drive to work. I hope not, maybe you should send some resumes out there.
Speaking of work, over the years I've worried about a few people but nothing bad happened when they were fired or quit. They didn't pull out a gun and start spraying bullets around. I'll take cursing over shooting every day and twice on Sundays.
The National Rifle Association tallied 35 bills expanding gun rights that have been signed into law nationwide this year. No legislation the NRA has opposed has become law.
How many rounds do you have through your P30? Thought about getting one. Fired one a couple of times and it is the only thing that has been close to as accurate as my 226. I really don't like the placement of the decocker on the P30 though.
Just bought a new 9 mm tanfoglio eaa witness. Also considering the 40 shield for my new carry weapon. The tanfoglio is maybe the smoothest gun I've ever shot.
I have two of them and probably a couple of thousand rounds through each. The trigger on the standard DA/SA trigger is horrible, but the light LEM is the cats meow. Also, there is no de cocker it is straight DAO. You should give it a try.
Since Illinois passed it's new concealed carry law in 2014, armed robberies in Chicago are down 20%, burglary crime is down 20%, auto theft crime down 26% and in the first quarter of this year, the murder rate is at a 56 year low. With the less crime to deal with, the Chicago PD has been able to devote more time to intelligence gathering and crime prevention which has lead to the confiscation of 1300 illegally owned firearms. So increasing the rights of legal law-abiding gun owners has led to a decrease in illegal guns on the street. Amazing isn't it? Also the Crime Prevention Research Center conducted a study in 2014 that showed a 147% increase in the number of concealed carry permits in the US since 2007. During that same 7-year study period, homicides and other violent crimes were down 22% nationwide.
Next time conduct a simple Google search on the issue so you won't look so uninformed and ignorant.
My two stand by guns: S&W 457s and my Ruger GP100 .357.
Are there as many gun owners as car owners?
Do guns provide a necessary and life-improving service, like cars do?
I'm not even on this guy's side, but come on LC. That is one weak ass argument.
We've had this debate before, but come on. You and Jimbo aren't going to stop the US Army if they decide to turn against our citizenry. Probably more because the average Jimbo is fat, drinking mountain dew, and more interested in the NASCAR race than American governance. People are complacent and not interested in having their firearms for this reason, and I think we both know that they own them for other reasons. But even if all the gun owners were like they were when the 2A was adopted, the military might of the USA is far stronger and it would crush any uprising.
I don't even disagree with your positions on gun ownership, nor concealed carry, but stop making this argument that guns are more essential than cars. It shows how divorced from reality the hard-core gun nuts are.
If the U.S. military turned on its own citizens it would be more complicated than just "we got the bombs so game over" they would have to actually use them. Then you have to consider actual military personnel using weapons against their fellow countrymen. Many would not be ok with that I'm sure. All I'm saying is it's not as clear cut as you're suggesting. If it came down to it, I'd rather go down with my gun in hand than live as a prisoner of oppression.
The last time I checked owning a car was not a constitutional rightIt's beyond pathetic that we are living like beside countless Wild West style cowboys in this country! It starts and ends with strict gun control.
I don't disagree.
But, simply put. It's not going to happen, probably as much for the reason about the military not being willing to do it to their own citizens than any other reason. And if it does, it's going to be on a scale that we won't be able to stop. And I too, would prefer to have a gun at that moment than not have one, but not because I'd be trying to take on the US armed forces, but because I'd be trying to get the hell out of here.
All I'm saying is the "well-regulated militia" argument for owning a gun is horse shit. None of you are in a militia, not one of you will ever use your guns in that capacity. I still support your right to keep and bear arms but, I think that right should be well-regulated.
There is no such push for more gun control, it is actually the other way around.
The push is for more pro gun legislation to be passed, the courts all the way up to and including the U.S Supreme Court recognize the unfettered right of the U.S. citizenry to own and carry weapons.
The National Rifle Association tallied 35 bills expanding gun rights that have been signed into law nationwide this year. No legislation the NRA has opposed has become law.
The push is for more pro gun legislation to be passed, the courts all the way up to and including the U.S Supreme Court recognize the unfettered right of the U.S. citizenry to own and carry weapons.
The National Rifle Association tallied 35 bills expanding gun rights that have been signed into law nationwide this year. No legislation the NRA has opposed has become law.
It's not at all horse shit. The Japanese considered invading the US at one point during WWII, and because of our 2nd amendment, the opted not to because in their opinion "There is a gun behind every blade of grass". Meaning to invade the US meant that citizens would take it upon themselves to defend the country because we are armed and that it spelled disaster to an invading army.
Can you imagine the shit bomb we would have encountered if the average German citizen had the right to bear private arms? That is one of the biggest issues that we have had in Iraq and Afghanistan....everyone is armed, and you never know who is going to take a shot at you.
"Jimbo" and I may or may not stop the US military, I certainly hope we never are forced to take up arms against them. However, the Founding Fathers certainly thought the ability to do so was important enough to add the 2nd Amendment.
As to your argument about the might of the US military crushing any uprising? Our conflicts in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan show it's not quite that easy for the US military to fight in asymmetric conflicts. Those are vastly smaller countries, with smaller populations, etc.
There are estimates of 70-80 million gun owners in the US (2011 numbers), let's be conservative and assume 1% would take up arms against the US military if forced to do so. That is still a force of 700,000-800,000 people, that would not be a an easy fight for either side.
I'm not claiming guns are more essential than cars, but they are most certainly essential.
damn you guys all to hell, i am now going to have to watch Red Dawn because you got me all fired up.
"What stands between the citizens of a democratic country and chaos? What prevents some Islamic fascist from ordering your wife and daughter to wear a black shroud in public or allows you to dance and sing or jump for joy after hitting a hole in one?
A man with a gun."
A man with a gun."
There are significant differences between Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and the modern day US. You're simply kidding yourself if you think that the average American citizen would be ready, willing and able to take up arms against the military.
Also, yes, it was insanely important in 1776. It's far less important now. Again, I'm not even for heavy
And 1940 America and 2015 America aren't vastly different? Both in military might and make up of the population? Not to mention technology employed in conflicts?
Come on you guys. I'm not even against you on this. I'm just against this reasoning that you need your 9mm or 12-gauge or AR-15 because of the threat of a tyrannical government (either from within or from outside). It's such a laughable argument.
And again, the territory outside of Kabul and Naperville are different animals. If the US Government actually turned against the US citizenry, it would have to be under such outrageously ridiculous circumstances that they wouldn't hesitate to go total warfare, and you're not doing much against the US military at that point.
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