We Rebound the Basketball we beat Illinois. +29 Advantage for Illinois. We gave up 24 Second Chance Points
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Things that jumped out points in the paint and 2 foul difference with a 9 ft difference.
In addition to the Rebounds. With this team Iowa will get out rebounded all year. But you have to make your FT(s). The missed FT(s) are difference in the game.
A missed shot here and there happens all the time and is common; so the game was not lost because of that.
What should not happen and what should not be a normal thing is a -29 rebounding margin, which is unheard of. And that's what beat Iowa last night.
didn't they show during the broadcast the Illini with a +12 margin entering the game?
that would be acceptable for this game.
a 29 rebound margin? not so much.
you can't control when you have an off night shooting; and keep in mind that we ended up shooting 45% overall, 35% from 3 and 68% from the FT line.
what you can control is the effort you put forth in rebounding the basketball.
I agree with others that point out Kofi's constant over the back rebounds. Also, I have complained before, but when did BB become FB? One play, Kofi was near the basket and Rebracca was guarding him. Kofi simply lowered his shoulder and smacked Filip and you could see Filip lunge backwards from the impact. No way that belongs on the BB court - and it was obvious. I don't like it but can see it being allowed when a player sort of backs in to the guard and they are pushing on each other, but not the shoulder body blow. Arrrggghh!
Well no shit that shouldn’t happen. And on the flip side illinois shouldn’t turn the ball over 18 times or w/e it was and give us 26points off those turnovers. We got 10more shots off than them even with the huge rebounding difference, shoot the ball well, make some of the easy bunnies we missed, make ft’s and we win the game.
it was the smaller lineup that went on the 20-2 run.
Yep, and because getting outrebounded by 29 is completely unheard of and should never, EVER happen, that is why we lost the game.
The Illini came into the game, on average, with a +12 margin; 17 more than that is unacceptable and loses you ball games, as Iowa found out last night.
A healthy Curbelo carves up the press. Only true point guard on the team. Need him back badly.
True, If I recall, they couldn’t hold lead, giving back some of it….
The point is that you could still have KM2x, Perk and JoeT/Ulis, and still get many of those TOs on the press, while still having a rebounder and a rim protector on the back end…,agree?
Maybe if we had a bigger post guy guarding Kofi, he doesn’t have the same size advantage to go over the back…?
It's about positioning, mental toughness, being disciplined and fundamentally sound. Fran coaches zero of that and never has
or maybe he turns it over 5-6 times
+12 vs competition to date entering the game,... We are not built to be strong in the paint this year so why would anyone think that Iowa would negatively impact Illinois rebounding?,... When acceptable and reality meet, reality typically wins...
I was pretty surprised that we didn't see more of Josh after his last game. It seemed that when he came in that Cockburn wasn't pushing him around in the lane like he was Rebraca
Curbelo has 16 turnovers in 4 games this year. I would have taken the over vs Iowa last night.
One of the other reason for the huge rebounding woes is when you are pressing because you are down your guys are constantly out of position and scrambling. It works both ways. Our press created a lot of turnovers, and our 2nd unit again came in just like at Purdue and got us back in the game. We fought hard and I thought for the most part played a pretty good game. Perkins and Ulis were fantastic. Keegan came on late w/19 points. Unfortunately only 2 rebounds. I know I'm beating a dead horse on Patrick but he just can't get 1 rebound. and Keegan only got us 2. 3 rebounds from our starting forwards. Kris grabbed 5 and besides Rebraca's 8 basically nobody got any. Obviously Kofi had 18 but Frazier at the guard position grabbed 8.
As an Illini fan, I will agree that Kofi likely gets away with that more than he should. However, I’ll also maintain plenty of fouls on him go uncalled when people are trying to defend him and they simply can’t so they hack him and the refs go, “Well, what are they gonna do??” … even though his size doesn’t make it not a foul.
In my view, it likely balances out.
Keegan Murray had about 5 reach in fouls that weren’t called also….
In their post game comments about rebounding both Keegan & Tony said (paraphrasing) “not enough guys going hard enough.”
Effort plays.
I bet we weren’t 50-50 on 50-50 balls.
Effort plays.
I bet we weren’t 50-50 on 50-50 balls.
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we can't always control whether the ball goes into the hoop
what we can control is our attitude and effort so "not enough guys going hard enough" is troubling
Fran blew this game by never making Koffi defend on the perimeter.
He took on all the negatives of playing small (rebounding) without getting the primary positive out of it.
If you play small you have to make the big defend on the perimeter. Its what makes it work.
He took on all the negatives of playing small (rebounding) without getting the primary positive out of it.
If you play small you have to make the big defend on the perimeter. Its what makes it work.
Very tough having to start conference play facing Edey/Williams and then Kofi. I think Iowa should make the dance but the interior weakness is going to hurt in league play. Thought the small lineup was the most effective against Illinois, pulled Kofi from the hoop and also makes the press more effective.
what i don't understand is kids, when they are young, learn how to box out and rebound. this should be an automatic skill set by the time they are in college. nevertheless, rebounding has always been an issue while Fran has been at Iowa.
@sienajay2009 , were Fran's Siena teams poor at rebounding as well?
To be fair, they took a lot of long bombs that missed that created a lot of long rebounds that all seemed to go to Illini players who weren't necessarily even in rebounding positions.
Agreed. That will happen for sure. Obviously 29 rebound disparity is troubling, but good or bad bounces occur often enough regardless of how well you boxed out, etc. Part of the deal.
One just hopes those bounces even out over time.
You’re only looking at it from one on one defense perspective. He did great at this. But it’s rotations, offensive spacing that he needs to get better at. He still should have been put in longer than he was especially when kofi was on a roll.
Are you referring to any particular post in this thread or almost all of them? I expect both teams will be better on March 6th and hopefully both are healthy. We will see what happens then. I expect the rebounding and turnover disparities will be reduced.
