Well...Well...Well... Fiorina video was not what it seemed to be.

[THE_DEVIL]

‘This wasn’t an abortion': CNN forces anti-Planned Parenthood group to admit Fiorina was wrong
David Daleiden, the project lead Center for Medical Progress’ anti-Planned Parenthood campaign, admitted on Wednesday that an alleged fetus on a table that GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina described during a graphic anti-abortion rant was actually from a miscarriage.

During an interview on CNN, host Chris Cuomo asked Daleiden to verify Fiorina’s claim at a recent debate that she saw a video of “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking.”

“Carly Fiorina was referencing a sequence in our video that shows footage of a born-alive infant from a late term abortion actually moving in the specimen pan,” he explained.

“But if you’re talking about organ harvesting and abortions and how terrible they are why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion?” Cuomo asked.

“It’s the same baby, whether it’s born dead or alive, whether the organs are harvested or not,” Daleiden replied.

“It’s also completely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make, which is, ‘Look at what they do to these babies,'” the CNN host pressed. “It was born stillborn. It was not aborted. Doesn’t that matter to you if you’re talking about abortion?”

“It’s the same kind of fetus,” Daleiden continued to insist.

“My point is context,” Cuomo shot back. “You’re saying, ‘what they do in abortions,’ that wasn’t an abortion. That’s my point.”

Watch the video below from CNN’s New Day, broadcast Sept. 30, 2015.

 

[Funky Bunch]

Yeah but forensic evidence proved that it was not doctored footage of the miscarriage

 

[slieb85]

Oh yes. These people should totally be trusted with all their videos. Their entire BOD is anti-abortion whackos. They are perverse people who will twist the truth to trick simple-minded people into believing things that are not true, just to try to take away the rights of others, because it doesn't "square with their moral compass."

Fiorina already lost my vote with her bizarre anti-drug rant, but I'm glad this moment will spill a bunch of egg on her face. I knew it was bull-shit the moment she said it.

"When you can't win public support with facts, make shit up." - pro-life motto for the last 20 years.

 

[gusto79]

This won't matter to some. People like Lone Clone know if they just repeat enough times that Fiorina was correct that people like aflachawk will believe them.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Babies, elderly, criminals, mentally retarded, handicap, and Australians....



All must go

 

[HallofFame]

Phew! I was worried the butchering of minority children would stop.

 

[lucas80]

The hard core pro life people are only slightly more irrational to speak to than vegans. Context is a word they don't understand. They have their one point, and that's all they can speak to.

 

[MitchL]

I would think any objective person would know that likely was a heavily edited video. But the far right eats that sort of stuff up.

Shock value, for sure. It got CF what she wanted... prime time exposure.

 

[naturalmwa]

Babies, elderly, criminals, mentally retarded, handicap, and Australians....



All must go

Hell yea! I missed this list too. I love you guys.

 

[lucas80]

I would think any objective person would know that likely was a heavily edited video. But the far right eats that sort of stuff up.

Shock value, for sure. It got CF what she wanted... prime time exposure.

I would bet the whole thing was planned. Fiorina needed to make a splash, and she served up a giant plate of red meat to the far right with a move designed to pull at emotions. Kudos to her. It worked well with the audience it was intended for.

 

[ICWestfan]

I love how the libs on this board attack the latest GOP front runner. Last week it was Trump, this week its Carly, next week it will be Carson. Oh wait, that attack already happened. Rubio maybe?

Nevermind the libtards are trotting out a card carrying commie to be President, or pathological liar. Libs know an abortion is good! Killing people? No problem.

Anyway, enjoy. Your deflections won't work and the right thinking American public will see through the charade of liberal presidential candidates.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Hell yea! I missed this list too. I love you guys.

Well you had just better contribute or its curtains!

 

[naturalmwa]

Well you had just better contribute or its curtains!

I work really hard every day not to make any babies, elderly or Australians. The others might be debatable. But what do you have against Aussies? They are like sex on a stick.

 

[lucas80]

I love how the libs on this board attack the latest GOP front runner. Last week it was Trump, this week its Carly, next week it will be Carson. Oh wait, that attack already happened. Rubio maybe?

Nevermind the libtards are trotting out a card carrying commie to be President, or pathological liar. Libs know an abortion is good! Killing people? No problem.

Anyway, enjoy. Your deflections won't work and the right thinking American public will see through the charade of liberal presidential candidates.

1. FYI the use of the T word even when describing liberals is out. I'm sorry, we destroyed another slur for you older guys to use.
2. The biggest use of attacks in the 2016 race is Donald Trump. Us liberals don't need to waste any time and effort slamming Republican candidates right now. Trump is doing the work for us.

 

[swagsurfer02]

I work really hard every day not to make any babies, elderly or Australians. The others might be debatable. But what do you have against Aussies? They are like sex on a stick.

Funny accents and descended from criminals.

 

[naturalmwa]

Funny accents and descended from criminals.

Oh, that's what i like about them.

 

[MitchL]

I love how the libs on this board attack the latest GOP front runner. Last week it was Trump, this week its Carly, next week it will be Carson. Oh wait, that attack already happened. Rubio maybe?

Nevermind the libtards are trotting out a card carrying commie to be President, or pathological liar. Libs know an abortion is good! Killing people? No problem.

Anyway, enjoy. Your deflections won't work and the right thinking American public will see through the charade of liberal presidential candidates.

Pretty easy to attack the NEW weekly leader when they make themselves such an easy target. While a few months ago the conservatives were proclaiming this GOP field as a pretty strong group, it's looking more like a bad reality show.

You have the religious nuts. You have the rinos. You have the newbies. You have the fear mongers. And last, but not least... you have the retreads. Quite the combination there. The Dems likely win by default.

 

[unIowa]

The absolute validity of the video is not important. What is important or should be (at least for anyone that cares about this tired played out issue) is if it in any way links to what is actually happening at PP and other abortion providers throughout the US.

The circumstances of the particular baby in the video is irrelevant if it is an accurate representation of how baby organs are harvested (as part of or post abortion) for research purposes.

IMO the mother (or non-mother if that makes you feel better) should be compensated as part of the sale of those baby parts (or fetal tissue if that makes you feel better).

 

[SIXERS24]

Lucas 80 wants babies to die for his political party. Babies dying does not matter to him. He just wants his party to win. Planned parent hood and 500 million are not big either way. Lucas wants millions of abortions to occur.

Hillary Clinton has committed Felonies but that ok Lucas know's she is a democrat. Lucas is a party before country man!

 

[naturalmwa]

The absolute validity of the video is not important. What is important or should be (at least for anyone that cares about this tired played out issue) is if it in any way links to what is actually happening at PP and other abortion providers throughout the US.

The circumstances of the particular baby in the video is irrelevant if it is an accurate representation of how baby organs are harvested (as part of or post abortion) for research purposes.

IMO the mother (or non-mother if that makes you feel better) should be compensated as part of the sale of those baby parts (or fetal tissue if that makes you feel better).

You have a completely different understanding of that story than I. What you write here is the argument Daleiden presented which was destroyed by Cuomo's reasoning.

 

[naturalmwa]

Lucas 80 wants babies to die for his political party. Babies dying does not matter to him. He just wants his party to win. Planned parent hood and 500 million are not big either way. Lucas wants millions of abortions to occur.

Hillary Clinton has committed Felonies but that ok Lucas know's she is a democrat. Lucas is a party before country man!

And you want to burn Grandma for fuel. We can go all night about which team protects life more. You sure you want to play?

 

[joelbc1]

This won't matter to some. People like Lone Clone know if they just repeat enough times that Fiorina was correct that people like aflachawk will believe them.

Gusto.....compared to many others on this board, Lone is a moderate on the abortion/PP issue.

 

[22*43*51]

Honest question.

Has anyone on this board personally experiences a late term miscarriage?(if so I'm truly sorry)

Were you approached for this type of procedure involving your stillborn child? Any of the doctors on the board know how this process is initiated.

PP has organ harvest in the fine print of their abortion release. I assume their is a release of some kind for harvesting a miscarriage.

 

[22*43*51]

We can go all night about which team protects life more. You sure you want to play?

I'm your huckleberry...

 

[gusto79]

The absolute validity of the video is not important. What is important or should be (at least for anyone that cares about this tired played out issue) is if it in any way links to what is actually happening at PP and other abortion providers throughout the US.

The circumstances of the particular baby in the video is irrelevant if it is an accurate representation of how baby organs are harvested (as part of or post abortion) for research purposes.

IMO the mother (or non-mother if that makes you feel better) should be compensated as part of the sale of those baby parts (or fetal tissue if that makes you feel better).

In regards to whether Fiorina is right or wrong about what she claims is in the video I think people are too focused on the circumstances of the fetus they showed. What makes Fiorina's claim so ridiculous is where she says somebody says they need to keep it alive in order to harvest its brain. There is nothing like that in any of the videos. Even in the video her PAC put out has nothing close to that. To me, that is what makes her claims so outlandish.

I assume you are joking about paying the mother for sale of the parts. That seems like a horrible idea.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

The absolute validity of the video is not important.

Seriously? Your credibility:

 

[joelbc1]

In regards to whether Fiorina is right or wrong about what she claims is in the video I think people are too focused on the circumstances of the fetus they showed. What makes Fiorina's claim so ridiculous is where she says somebody says they need to keep it alive in order to harvest its brain. There is nothing like that in any of the videos. Even in the video her PAC put out has nothing close to that. To me, that is what makes her claims so outlandish.

I assume you are joking about paying the mother for sale of the parts. That seems like a horrible idea.

Carly is trying like hell to become a main stream politician.....,Now she just flat out fabricates stories to prove she belongs.
This "abortion diacussion" might have some merit IF it was based on facts. This story is made up right wing bullshit, from the word go.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

BTW, misleading thread title. The video WAS exactly what it appeared to be. CF just lied to make it something else.

 

[CeMar_Clone]

‘This wasn’t an abortion': CNN forces anti-Planned Parenthood group to admit Fiorina was wrong
David Daleiden, the project lead Center for Medical Progress’ anti-Planned Parenthood campaign, admitted on Wednesday that an alleged fetus on a table that GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina described during a graphic anti-abortion rant was actually from a miscarriage.

During an interview on CNN, host Chris Cuomo asked Daleiden to verify Fiorina’s claim at a recent debate that she saw a video of “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking.”

“Carly Fiorina was referencing a sequence in our video that shows footage of a born-alive infant from a late term abortion actually moving in the specimen pan,” he explained.

“But if you’re talking about organ harvesting and abortions and how terrible they are why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion?” Cuomo asked.

“It’s the same baby, whether it’s born dead or alive, whether the organs are harvested or not,” Daleiden replied.

“It’s also completely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make, which is, ‘Look at what they do to these babies,'” the CNN host pressed. “It was born stillborn. It was not aborted. Doesn’t that matter to you if you’re talking about abortion?”

“It’s the same kind of fetus,” Daleiden continued to insist.

“My point is context,” Cuomo shot back. “You’re saying, ‘what they do in abortions,’ that wasn’t an abortion. That’s my point.”

Watch the video below from CNN’s New Day, broadcast Sept. 30, 2015.

If it was an aborted fetus, what would be different in the video? My guess is that nothing would have been different in the video, so I don't see the "gottcha".

 

[tarheelbybirth]

If it was an aborted fetus, what would be different in the video? My guess is that nothing would have been different in the video, so I don't see the "gottcha".

You mean other than being able to make the claim that a fetus was deliberately aborted so it's tissue could be harvested? Other than that little detail?

 

[naturalmwa]

I'm your huckleberry...

 

[joelbc1]

If it was an aborted fetus, what would be different in the video? My guess is that nothing would have been different in the video, so I don't see the "gottcha".

So CeMar, do you believe that women who miscarry ought to face manslaughter charges? You and Carly are all. Excited about a miscarried fetus....but if the fetus is "aborted" It makes a better story, right?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I love how the libs on this board attack the latest GOP front runner. Last week it was Trump, this week its Carly, next week it will be Carson. Oh wait, that attack already happened. Rubio maybe?

Nevermind the libtards are trotting out a card carrying commie to be President, or pathological liar. Libs know an abortion is good! Killing people? No problem.

Anyway, enjoy. Your deflections won't work and the right thinking American public will see through the charade of liberal presidential candidates.

It's tough being a liberal.

You guys have it easy. It's all Hillary all the time, except for a brief stretch when you liked Hillary as SecState better than Obama as prez.

We poor libs always have to check to see which of your idiot candidates has the base gushing and drooling at the moment. And we have to look to see what they are lying about or screwing up this time. Then we have to figure out a way to point out the obvious flaws to people who are so dumb they couldn't see them without help.

 

[naturalmwa]

If it was an aborted fetus, what would be different in the video? My guess is that nothing would have been different in the video, so I don't see the "gottcha".

I see your point, This was just an abortion from God. That sort of makes Planned Parenthood a church. Can they use the religious freedom laws now? I think I'm inclined to grant your argument CeMar, good job.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Lucas 80 wants babies to die for his political party. Babies dying does not matter to him. He just wants his party to win. Planned parent hood and 500 million are not big either way. Lucas wants millions of abortions to occur.

Hillary Clinton has committed Felonies but that ok Lucas know's she is a democrat. Lucas is a party before country man!

This is a definite case of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[unIowa]

So CeMar, do you believe that women who miscarry ought to face manslaughter charges? You and Carly are all. Excited about a miscarried fetus....but if the fetus is "aborted" It makes a better story, right?

The circumstance of the video is irrelevant in the discussion on abortion. It is just political redmeat that CF is using to rile up her side of the argument.

What is important is if there are circumstances where baby organs are harvested as part of abortions and if we, as a society, think that is the right thing to do.

The more I think about it the "selling it's brain" part was just CF putting on good theater and, MAYBE, taking a subtle shot at Ben Carson.

Also, I wasn't kidding about paying the mother for these body parts/fetal tissue. She grew it and if those pieces are going to be sold then she should get some of the cash for growing the tissue.

 

[unIowa]

1. In regards to whether Fiorina is right or wrong about what she claims is in the video I think people are too focused on the circumstances of the fetus they showed. What makes Fiorina's claim so ridiculous is where she says somebody says they need to keep it alive in order to harvest its brain. There is nothing like that in any of the videos. Even in the video her PAC put out has nothing close to that. To me, that is what makes her claims so outlandish.

2. I assume you are joking about paying the mother for sale of the parts. That seems like a horrible idea.

1. That was my whole point. The pointing out of the inaccuracy of the video is just to distract from the topic at hand and play gotcha politics. Sure CF did the same thing by making that statement but we have come to expect that of politicians and playing a "gotcha" card back advances the conversation by zero.

2. I wasn't. The mother grew the tissue and if it is going to be sold off (for science, for decoration, or for lunch...I don't care) she should be entitled to some of that compensation. It isn't right that she is excluded from this transaction.

 

[unIowa]

It's tough being a liberal.

You guys have it easy. It's all Hillary all the time, except for a brief stretch when you liked Hillary as SecState better than Obama as prez.

We poor libs always have to check to see which of your idiot candidates has the base gushing and drooling at the moment. And we have to look to see what they are lying about or screwing up this time. Then we have to figure out a way to point out the obvious flaws to people who are so dumb they couldn't see them without help.

Are you really starting to defend Hillary? WWJD we both know she is an awful choice for POTUS, might as well put Jeb in bc there really isn't much real difference that the American people will experience under either.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Also, I wasn't kidding about paying the mother for these body parts/fetal tissue. She grew it and if those pieces are going to be sold then she should get some of the cash for growing the tissue.

I assume you also feel that women should be free to get pregnant for the purpose of harvesting the fetuses and their organs.

I suspect there are or soon would be laws against that. But why? I mean it's not like selling your kidney. Barring complications, women can grow another fetus.

I wonder how many fetuses an average woman could produce for sale per year?

How soon before there are fetus factories producing in vitro fetuses for sale?

And why limit the use of these fetuses to medical or scientific research? If we can ramp up production, why not as snacks? Deep fried fetus. Chocolate covered fetus. Fetus Alfredo.

 

[unIowa]

I assume you also feel that women should be free to get pregnant for the purpose of harvesting the fetuses and their organs.

I suspect there are or soon would be laws against that. But why? I mean it's not like selling your kidney. Barring complications, women can grow another fetus.

I wonder how many fetuses an average woman could produce for sale per year?

How soon before there are fetus factories producing in vitro fetuses for sale?

And why limit the use of these fetuses to medical or scientific research? If we can ramp up production, why not as snacks? Deep fried fetus. Chocolate covered fetus. Fetus Alfredo.

Yes...I am not kidding, this is absolutely correct and the way it should be. If there is a market for unborn body parts then lets have the market work efficiently without govt oversight.

To say otherwise (outside of maybe the cannibalism part) is an indirect admission that abortion is a morally wrong thing to do.

After all it is just fetal tissue, it isn't a human being so why the big fuss over it?