One of these posters only read the first line. I'll let you guess which one
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Parents were less frightened of measles before the vaccine than after. You know the propaganda has done its job.
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Immune system will not protect unvaccinated kids from measles and other diseases.
Quite possibly the stupidest thing you've ever said here, and there's LOTS of competition in that regard. 🤡
He's right. Perfectly healthy kids can become very sick from any number of virus, including measles. And with good immune systems.
Look, you're one of those idiots that has a very rudimentary understanding of the immune system, disease and how the human body works in general. You're under the naive impression that though a healthy lifestyle -- AND SUPPLEMENTS DON'T FORGET THE SUPPLAMENTS -- that you can cultivate an immune system that can withstand just about anything. That it's all about boosting that immune system.
Naive.
"He's right. Perfectly healthy kids can become very sick from any number of virus, including measles. And with good immune systems."
That's not what he said. He said unvaccinated kids will NOT be protected from viral infections and other diseases. Those are the words of a science denier.
Reminds me of this statement he made last year which also fits squarely in the category of sheer idiocy: “If folks in that community were unvaccinated, 100% in the class would have gotten it.”
Measles is one of the most contagious diseases we know of. I took his comment to mean that robustness of immune system will do little to keep you from contracting said disease. (yes, it's good to have a healthy immune system if you do contract said disease)
So that's pretty straightforwardly true.
The other statement he made (100% of the unvaccinated would have 'gotten it') was made in regard to pertussis and has ZERO science to back up such ignorance.
The vaccine industry is a giant scam and kids don't need them to thrive, as evidenced by the U.S.' standing as the most vaccinated/least healthy of the world's developed countries. 🤷♂️
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I missed that one, but I was there for the meningitis outbreak (1990 or 1991 I think)l stood in line at the then brand new laser building for hours to get my shot.
OMG! What if the tavern responsible for this outbreak was Joe’s Place?!? 😱
Patient 3, a 22-year-old male bartender who was not a student, presented on 19 November with meningococcemia and polyarticular septic arthritis. An epidemiologic link with the first two cases could not be established. Moreover, the antibiogram of this patient’s isolate was different from those for the first two patients; patient 3’s isolate was resistant to rifampin and susceptible to trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole. Ten days later, a 21-year-old male college student (patient 4) presented with meningococcal meningitis. His isolate’s antibiogram was similar to that of the isolate from patient 3 (rifampin resistant, trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole susceptible). Of note, patient 4 was a frequent patron of the tavern where patient 3 worked as a bartender, although they were not personally acquainted. On 15 December 1992, patient 5, a 21-year-old woman who was not a college student, presented with meningococcemia. She had visited the tavern associated with patients 3 and 4 approximately 1 week before her illness developed. The antibiogram of her isolate matched those of patients 3 and 4.
I agree.
Your kids' immune systems will not protect them from serious diseases.
Anyone asserting that there is no health without vaccines is a science-denying 🤡
The fact that innate immune mechanisms can terminate infections should not be surprising — invertebrates and jawless fish survive infections solely on the wits of their innate immune systems. Even mutant laboratory mice with no adaptive immunity can survive and reproduce, as long as they are kept apart from their non-mutant brethren. Given this potential, what proportion of infections is terminated by innate immunity? In modern human society, we seem to endure intense and relentless exposure to all manner of infectious agents. Perhaps the very fact that most people are not perpetually sick is testament to innate immunity squelching most of the infections that we contract.
If we assume that innate immunity does, with some frequency, terminate infections before the onset of disease, there should also be natural selection for variants of proteins in the innate immune system that increase that frequency, even if only temporarily.
NK cells are large, well-armed and circulate in a state of readiness, enabling them to enter and defend a tissue almost as soon as it becomes infected. NK cells kill infected cells and secrete cytokines, which rally the other cells of innate immunity, such as microbe-masticating macrophages. Moreover, through interaction with dendritic cells, NK cells help to decide if and when an adaptive immune response is needed. When innate immunity extinguishes an infection unaided, NK cells may kill off antigen-bearing dendritic cells, preventing their migration to lymphoid tissues where they would otherwise activate T cells.
Unlike B and T cells, NK cells forego the process of rearranging genes to produce a repertoire of antigen receptors. Instead, they assemble different combinations of receptors from an impressive selection of activating and inhibitory cell-surface receptors. Many of these receptors bind specifically to major histocompatibility complex (MHC) class I or class I-like molecules — ligands that also control the activity of killer T cells and were previously thought to be dedicated to adaptive immunity.
Innate immunity has sometimes been viewed as ancient in origin, and therefore highly optimized by natural selection. But does this mean that it is now set in evolutionary stone? Although the mechanisms of innate immunity predate those of adaptive immunity, it is not necessarily true that these mechanisms have stopped evolving. NK cells in humans and other species have many types of receptor, some conserved and others highly variable. These are not the properties of a highly optimized system, but rather of one that has been successively pushed in many different directions by natural selection. The fact that innate immunity is not unchanging, but rather is plastic and continuing to evolve, can be readily understood if we realize that innate immunity has the capacity to prevent primary infections from actually causing disease, an attractive feature that is out of bounds for adaptive immunity.
(nature.com 5/01/03)
The fact that innate immune mechanisms can terminate infections should not be surprising — invertebrates and jawless fish survive infections solely on the wits of their innate immune systems. Even mutant laboratory mice with no adaptive immunity can survive and reproduce, as long as they are kept apart from their non-mutant brethren. Given this potential, what proportion of infections is terminated by innate immunity? In modern human society, we seem to endure intense and relentless exposure to all manner of infectious agents. Perhaps the very fact that most people are not perpetually sick is testament to innate immunity squelching most of the infections that we contract.
If we assume that innate immunity does, with some frequency, terminate infections before the onset of disease, there should also be natural selection for variants of proteins in the innate immune system that increase that frequency, even if only temporarily.
NK cells are large, well-armed and circulate in a state of readiness, enabling them to enter and defend a tissue almost as soon as it becomes infected. NK cells kill infected cells and secrete cytokines, which rally the other cells of innate immunity, such as microbe-masticating macrophages. Moreover, through interaction with dendritic cells, NK cells help to decide if and when an adaptive immune response is needed. When innate immunity extinguishes an infection unaided, NK cells may kill off antigen-bearing dendritic cells, preventing their migration to lymphoid tissues where they would otherwise activate T cells.
Unlike B and T cells, NK cells forego the process of rearranging genes to produce a repertoire of antigen receptors. Instead, they assemble different combinations of receptors from an impressive selection of activating and inhibitory cell-surface receptors. Many of these receptors bind specifically to major histocompatibility complex (MHC) class I or class I-like molecules — ligands that also control the activity of killer T cells and were previously thought to be dedicated to adaptive immunity.
Innate immunity has sometimes been viewed as ancient in origin, and therefore highly optimized by natural selection. But does this mean that it is now set in evolutionary stone? Although the mechanisms of innate immunity predate those of adaptive immunity, it is not necessarily true that these mechanisms have stopped evolving. NK cells in humans and other species have many types of receptor, some conserved and others highly variable. These are not the properties of a highly optimized system, but rather of one that has been successively pushed in many different directions by natural selection. The fact that innate immunity is not unchanging, but rather is plastic and continuing to evolve, can be readily understood if we realize that innate immunity has the capacity to prevent primary infections from actually causing disease, an attractive feature that is out of bounds for adaptive immunity.
(nature.com 5/01/03)
Who has claimed there "is no health" without vaccines?
Link?
Without vaccines, there's a LOT more death, though.
Who has claimed that?
You did.
"Immune system will not protect unvaccinated kids from measles and other diseases."
I'll take the word of the people at Nature as well as the real life experience of dealing with my own children over your science-denying buffoonery any day.
That is a FACTUAL statement, Cletus.
The generic crap you posted (completely out of context) isn't relevant to those diseases, because w/o vaccination, NO ONE is immune to them.
Modern man has been around for 200,000 years but if it wasn't for the vaccines, which only gained popularity 60 years ago, the sniffles and red spots woulda killed us all?
That sort of 'logic' is literally retarded.
You should probably go on another month long sabbatical...obviously learned nothing from the last one.
And millions of people have died from what are now vaccinable diseases.
Go look at childhood mortality rates in the 1800s and early 1900s before vaccines were available.
Hell, go visit an older cemetery and look at how many gravestones there are for kids <10 yrs old, dipshit.
My wife and I were talking about this the other day…we were both vaccinated for everything as a kid. I still got the mumps and my wife thinks she had the measles & chicken pox as a child. We both recovered and are healthy adults. I guess everyone’s immune systems are somewhat different. We had our kids vaccinated for “everything” and they fortunately didn’t get any serious illnesses as a kid. However, as adults I’ll let them make up their own minds on other vaccinations, such as for shingles. My wife and I do get a tetanus shot every 10 years. We’re quite active and if we were on a vacation and got a cut, it would be one less thing to worry about.
Yep, everyone's immune systems are different, which is why the government's one-size-fits-all approach (to the point of being forced medical treatment) is so ignorant.
There is genetic testing available that can reveal predispositions to certain adverse events; has that ever been a standard part of informed consent? 🤷♂️
Our own laboratory has done extensive work in identifying genetic associations with HLA, cytokine, cytokine receptor, innate receptors, innate immune response genes, and signaling molecules and both humoral and cell-mediated immune responses.12,13 This work has been fundamental to identifying and understanding associations between genetic polymorphisms and variations in immune responses. Such methods must now be turned toward understanding adverse events associated with vaccination. An example is that epidemiologic studies have quantified the risk of immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP) and anaphylaxis, attributable to the MMR vaccine in the second year of life as 1 case per 40,000 vaccinated children.14,15 Recently France et al demonstrated that 76% of ITP cases in children ages 12 to 23 months were related to MMR vaccination.15Identification of a genetic association between MMR vaccine and ITP would be important and would inform attempts at developing preventive strategies or improved vaccines. A further example is the expanding recommendations for the use of seasonal influenza vaccine and the potential use of pandemic vaccines globally; studies of the genetic susceptibility to Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) would be important.16
Adversomics: The Emerging Field of Vaccine Adverse Event Immunogenetics - PMC
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
But nearly ALL of them are susceptible to measles, if unvaccinated.
And MANY of them will either die from it, or have serious lifelong complications from it.
Most people with ITP recover completelyYep, everyone's immune systems are different, which is why the government's one-size-fits-all approach (to the point of being forced medical treatment) is so ignorant.
There is genetic testing available that can reveal predispositions to certain adverse events; has that ever been a standard part of informed consent? 🤷♂️
Our own laboratory has done extensive work in identifying genetic associations with HLA, cytokine, cytokine receptor, innate receptors, innate immune response genes, and signaling molecules and both humoral and cell-mediated immune responses.12,13 This work has been fundamental to identifying and understanding associations between genetic polymorphisms and variations in immune responses. Such methods must now be turned toward understanding adverse events associated with vaccination. An example is that epidemiologic studies have quantified the risk of immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP) and anaphylaxis, attributable to the MMR vaccine in the second year of life as 1 case per 40,000 vaccinated children.14,15 Recently France et al demonstrated that 76% of ITP cases in children ages 12 to 23 months were related to MMR vaccination.15Identification of a genetic association between MMR vaccine and ITP would be important and would inform attempts at developing preventive strategies or improved vaccines. A further example is the expanding recommendations for the use of seasonal influenza vaccine and the potential use of pandemic vaccines globally; studies of the genetic susceptibility to Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) would be important.16
Adversomics: The Emerging Field of Vaccine Adverse Event Immunogenetics - PMC
Most people who get measles do not, and have some form of lifetime issue (or other acute problem, requiring significant medical intervention).
So, 1 in >40k might get ITP
>90% of the people sitting in the same room with someone who has measles will also get it.
The numbers are pretty clear on this one...
"Most people with ITP recover completely."
Is that before or after they have their spleen removed, you freaking tool.
Refractory ITP occurs when splenectomy, or the removal of the spleen, fails.
Can ITP be cured completely?
ITP isn’t curable.With chronic ITP, you may have remission periods when your symptoms improve for months or even years, but eventually, symptoms will recur. Some people with chronic ITP have many recurrences. (healthline.com)
"Most people who get measles do not, and have some form of lifetime issue (or other acute problem, requiring significant medical intervention)."
1 in 1,000 isn't 'most people'. Funny how nobody cared about measles until decades AFTER the vaccine allegedly 'cured' it.
Fear porn and disinformation.
Correct.
With NO lifelong complications.
Meanwhile a MUCH LARGER fraction of kids who get measles do NOT fully recover.
Unvaxxed kids that get measles typically are not that lucky.
And they don't have a "1 in 40,000" risk when exposed. More like a 95-99% risk.
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