From what I've seen so far, I really think this backcourt rates at the bottom of the league.
I don't have a lot of confidence that they can be effective in B1G play. Hope I'm wrong.
What a awful game
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I don't have a lot of confidence that they can be effective in B1G play. Hope I'm wrong.
Isn’t that the “rinse and repeat” of Iowa b-ball every phucking year!!!?!?
It’s not just this game. It’s his 2nd year, and no big jump from last year. Once the B1G starts the competition excels. Harding will struggle and should not be a starting B1G guard.
I really do think he'll struggle in B1G play. Trouble is...who should play ahead of him?
This sh*t is grim, imo.
There’s only one player on the team that looks and plays athletic, traore. Thelwell is Brock just taller.
You act like this team is filled with athletes. Fran doesn’t recruit athletes. He generally dislikes them. Ran off Joe toussaint because he couldn’t stand an extra turnover or two but is just fine with lack of rebounding and blow bys.
Why would you call him out after this game though? He was good today. I also think he’s better this year and making progress. I think he’ll be good this year.
Sandfort complaining getting cleanly blocked on his dunk attempt was sad. Stop the childish whining and maybe do what you’re suppose to excel at, shooting with confidence and not hesitating
And he tried the NBA lmao
We are going to get crushed in BIG play i hope i am wrong
Iowa wins if Sandfort wasn't lobbing shite up there all game. Sometimes you need to adjust. Pound the paint.
Well first off I've never see Dembele have a good game really. He has no offensive skill. Frankly I'd rather see Braun or Mulvey (bite my tongue) as the other post player and play Koch more at the 4. Fran plays the Sandfort twins most of the second half while Traore and Dix sat on the bench. Ridiculous. I imagine Fran will say in the presser he forgot they were there. My hope is we'll stop hearing from Jess and others about Payton playing in the NBA. When pigs fly. D1 players shooting under 50% from the charity stripe as a team on almost 20 attempts.
Your kidding right? He played his ass off tonight. If it wasn't for the Moline connection and the two transfers we get run off the floor by 50......
So he played his ass off tonight, (one of 3 or 4 guys who played well) and your going to call him out when he played the best game EASILY of his career? Did you watch the game? Great game by Harding. Pretty solid on D as well except when he was over powered by size. Freeman solid. Traore when he actually got to play. What the hell Fran? Thelwell and Braun okay. Everybody else, good Lord. What was that? Okay, and least PS made 5 of 6 free throws since nobody else could throw it in the ocean. Playing the Sandfort boys together is cute but against good teams , no thank you
Not kidding at all. I'm anticipating B1G play. I've watched a lot of B1G teams. Our backcourt does not compare favorably with most of them.
That's going to be a problem.
I'd love to be wrong.
Which B1G teams do you think USU would beat on a neutral court right now? Minnesota.....Washington...I would have said Nebraska before tonight but....dude....that was Utah State...Ohio State...Michigan State....hell, even Penn State is a whole different animal. I'm just not optimistic right now.
Both teams played like crap and couldn't capitalize on each other's mistakes. They turned it over like crazy and let us shoot open 3s all night. Should have paid for it, but didn't. They got some super lucky boards off bad misses, two off of airballs. Dembele has no agility or handles. Freeman did well early but then they started doubling him and he'd either spin into it or kick it out for a missed 3. None of our bigs are great passers and turned it over many times on dumb passes. I see a lot of pointless dribbling and no movement out of our other players, it's a game of hot potato late in the shot clock.
Which has been a problem for years. The question people are asking (and you aren't answering) is why are posters calling Brock out TONIGHT when he played really well on offense, (only guy who did SHIT from three) penetrated and scored, dished when he could and caused several turnovers, while the Sandfort twins played like ASS all night long, (went a ridiculous 1 for 16 from three) and turned the ball over a bunch,and Dix is obviously still having issues with his wrist, but lets bag on Harding tonight. And YES I watched the game too...
Well. The women's soccer team just made the sweet 16 as the #3 seed and we are in #2 seed UCLA's region. Instead of playing UCLA we are playing the #7 seed Virginia Tech.
So we got that.
AGAIN, I'm NOT questioning that we are weak in the backcourt. Look back through my posts. I've been saying that the last two years as Fran keeps recruiting 6'8" wings who shoot the three but can't defend and not athletic guards. Were asking why your bagging on Brock tonight when he was one of the few guys who did shit besides Freeman.
Harding played great. No question about it. But I think most people are anticipating B1G play, and they are coming to the realization that we're in trouble. College basketball is a guards' game and our guards do not compare favorably with most other teams in this league.
Thats because Fran likes to have PS take some crazy shot late in the shot clock and when they go in he looks like a star, and when they don't like tonight we look like crap....
Almost forgot... I noticed that the ball being used tonight was the orange ball of death from tourney time a.ka. the Wilson EVO nxt. Iowa has never shot well with this ball. We lost to Richmond with this ball. I don't think Fran believes that the type of ball matters enough to practice with leading up to games, and that showed again tonight. I bet we practiced with our home Nike balls all week lol.
And yet several posters said he was bad and had made NO improvement from last year. I guess those are the students from the Iowa school for the blind.....
He's definitely improved in decision making, and defense. I just think he's very limited because of his size and athleticism. Good player. Great competitor. Limited ceiling at this level.
The 3s he hit tonight, e.g.?....he's not going to get those in B1G play. Period.
Harding is 6'0" (in very thick soled shoes and generously rounding up), 165lbs.
Dylan Harper is 6'5 215, kasparas Jaksciuos is 6'6" 210, Sebastian Mack is 6'4" 205, Mechie Johnson is 6'4, 220, Roddy Gayle is 6'6" 215, kylan Bozwell is 6'4" 220....Tonge is 6'5" 218, Blackwell is 6'4" 220...D'marco Dunn is 6'5" 205......it goes on and on....
Those guys are not outliers, that is the typical size of guards in this league. Which of those guys is Harding or Thelwell going to put the clamps on in winning time? lmfao Utah State shot over Harding all night....Utah State.
Which of those guys are they going to pass over or shoot over or bully to the rim when we absolutely need a bucket? More lmfao.
Are you starting to understand the concern?
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Sandfort faking an injury with an ice pack on his wrist in the post game was hilarious
It's very strenuous on the wrist to throw around all those bricks.
If you just look at shooting and points. How many times did his guy just overpower him going to the rim? How many times did he dribble into the paint and pick up his dribble and do absolutely nothing?
Brock does some things really well. He also has some major weaknesses. Brock was definitely not the reason they lost. That honor goes to Peyton and Fran's awful coaching. Classic Fran crappy coaching game where Freeman dominates and they shoot horrible from 3 and instead of adjusting to the poor shooting by getting the ball down low they keep jacking up 3's. Traore basically not playing in the second half should be a firable offense.
That desperation 3 doesn’t even happen if Sandfort blocks out and finishes the defensive possession. That’s why Frans teams are who they are. Throw your hands in the air at the 3 going down and say poor me, but not correcting the reason the shot got up in the first place.
Why is this such a surprise?
Ground Hogs Day with Sonny and Cher's " I Got You Babe" all over again.
Ground Hogs Day with Sonny and Cher's " I Got You Babe" all over again.
Traore played 12 minutes in the first half….4 in the second.
Head scratcher.
Fran said Traore couldn’t get things going in the second half when asked.
Pretty hard to do from the bench Fran.
His decision to drive under the basket, stop and get surrounded has not improved.
Good analysis. I'll add, WTF is Fran doing. Seems totally disinterested.
- They exploited shooting over Harding all night. - Where was Traore? By far our most athletic player.
- Freeman needs to stop putting the ball on the floor in the paint. He needs a few weeks under Jan's tuteledge.
- Is Sandfort still chucking up threes?
- The whole team needs to crash the boards, our rebounding has been awful all year.
When your entire game plan is basically to make 3 point shots, you need a team that is going to hit those shots consistently every game. Iowa does not have that. If the shots are not falling, you need to compensate by playing great defense and rebounding. Iowa does not do that on a consistent basis, either.
When your chance of winning depends on making a high percentage of 3’s or hoping the other team shoots poorly, you are going to get games like last night.
The Hawks had a chance to get a win over a decent team and came up short. On to the next game.
When your chance of winning depends on making a high percentage of 3’s or hoping the other team shoots poorly, you are going to get games like last night.
The Hawks had a chance to get a win over a decent team and came up short. On to the next game.
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He had a good game, but, the dribbling non stop and getting caught in the lane seems less than ideal.
Iowa will need to shoot 3's well to win games this year. Having only 1 low post offensive threat is not ideal as well. Particularly if Freeman gets into foul trouble in conference games
Yes, I understand your concern. AGAIN, my original post , was why guys are bagging on Brock after this game, when he and Freeman were by far the best players on the floor. Some said he hasn't improved. Thats absolute nonsense. If you go back and watch the game, Brock scored three times in the paint gainst bigger players with crafty moves. As for the B1G conference games, why single out Brock? Go down the roster. Dix and Freeman will be fine, although the big O is foul prone against better competition. Neither of the Sandforts can guard athletic wings at this level, and even worse when Fran tries to play them at the 2 guard. Which of course is where the big problem is and has been for years. Fran's backcourt is Thin and has been for as long as I can remember. Brock and Thelwell will have some struggles. Dix is solid, but thats it. If any of them gets injured, (Dix's wrist injury) we have nothing in the backcourt. I talked about this last year. Fran's determined that he can play one of the Sandforts against athletic guards and its the biggest flaw in our defense. He concentrates recruiting every year on 6'8" wing/sm forwards who can shoot from the outside, but none of them, (since the Murrays) can defend athletic guards or wings at this level. Just saying we have issues up and down the lineup.
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I get it. You're from Moline, or Harding's relative or former social studies teacher or something...
I'm not picking on Harding. As I said, I like and respect him as a competitor. I'm picking on our back court because in the college game, you're only going to go as far as your backcourt can take you.
For the reasons I already discussed, this group probably ain't taking us too far. I'm really picking on Fran who has been mailing it in in a lot of ways for the past 18 months, including the portal.
Here's a little thought experiment that might clarify things for you -- list the B1G TEN teams that would start Brock Harding.
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