Had we won that championship game in Indianapolis you think we wouldn't have gotten our teeth kicked in by Alabama?
What can Iowa do to avoid disaster's like Rose Bowl & Taxslayer Bowl
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Had we won that championship game in Indianapolis you think we wouldn't have gotten our teeth kicked in by Alabama?
Yes I do think Iowa would have been pasted by Bama. I dont think Stanford was on Bama's level. Mccaffery was
Agreed. However, Alabama would've run right through us. McCaffery ran around us, Henry would've ran over us. Plus their WRs are no joke. Des King is good, but I don't recall him playing WRs like what Alabama had last year.
Plus that OJ kid that plays TE is an absolute fricken stud.
Im with ya. Bama would have pasted Iowa. Still wouldve been awesome to be in the playoff though
Agreed however LeBron played in the series the year before too. He also played in the game they lost by 32. That just furthers the conundrum even great players don't always play great
LeBron was playing without Kyrie and Kevin Love. Also in a series you can afford to slip up, not so in a one and done scenario
Yes the tax slayer and Rose Bowl may have had similar outcomes but completely different teams in those games. Quite frankly Tennessee has their own issues with being up & down like a yo-yo
Can you ever afford to slip up? Incidentally I'm a Cleveland fan and a huge LeBron James fan. But that knucklehead Draymond green did as much to help Cleveland win as anybody.
The point remains game to game teams are wildly up-and-down
In fact I need to add for emphasis in a seven game series in theory the best team always wins however when you're dealing with world-class athletes on the world stage and there's a 62 point Swing in 2 games in three days that's saying something.
Yes I'd argue you're allowed not to be on your game one day in a series. Sure Draymond is a knucklehead, but I'd argue that GS should've been beaten by OKC.
Don't forget LeBron didn't play the entire game of that 32 point loss. Once out of reach, the coach will sit his stars. Remember one loss is only one loss whether it's by 1 point or 32 points.
They were getting crushed from the beginning, your points are valid but not germane to this discussion. Furthermore OKC was not as good as Golden State and yet they damn near won which all that does is continue to further my point any given game any given day. When teams are relatively close talent isn't the deciding factor desire effort passion that's what wins in life!
And as good as Iowa was last year they looked dead in that game CJ was hurt, Lomax was hurt, Meier was hurt they were slow they were lethargic and they didn't have near the same passion or fire
Didn't GS have to come back and win several games as well against OKC? Getting back to the finals, LeBron is absolutely hands down the best player on planet earth. Really not close
Quite frankly as talented as this team this year is it could all happen again it's the leadership the focus the time in the film room & playing like your hair is on fire that's what it takes to win in any game I don't care how bad the competition is. That includes Miami of Ohio or Iowa State or North Dakota State or Rutgers or any team we play
Well that's my opinion I'm not sure everybody in the world agrees with it but I think he's a great human being and an incredible teammate I think he'll go down as the greatest basketball teammate in the history of the game!
I know you're just being silly but Phil Parkers done an awesome job but more importantly everybody thought Norm was too conservative as well but what they always forget is Norm was absolutely blitz happy earlier in his career and he finally realized it's not the best way to play defense.
In fact the teams I like to watch the most are teams like the Seahawks, Iowa, there are plenty of them that are pretty basic but they play superfast because they always know what they're doing. Unfortunately they looked lost in that Stanford game and I don't really know why? They were out of position going the wrong way slipping and falling it really was a comedy of errors
Kirk mentioned that part of the difference is that this year they are going to treat it more like a regular game week. I think last year specifically, all of the extra stuff around the Rose Bowl kind of distracted the team and don't forget that Ben Niemann hardly played that game. Nate Meier wasn't healthy and the oline wasn't healthy and they had been trying different combos on the oline the week leading up to the game which is never a good thing. I think Iowa came out for that game like they were happy to be there and Stanford came out looking to destroy Iowa.
We already have a clear weakness on our defense at weak outside linebacker (I'm look at you Bo Bower). It isn't going to take a long time for people outside the Hawkeye bubble to figure it out.
It was an ugly game from the start the good news is I checked out near the end of the first half. I had to go back and watch it recently so I could be sure what I was talking about when debating people in here.
I'll wager that's your opinion and not shared by most. They have plenty of talent at the linebacker position if he wins the job it'll be because he's become quite good.
I have to add I know I can be caustic and ornery but I think most people can agree there's no place for this kind of comment right now...Its the start of the season, the kids worked hard, he played well in spot duty and Raider last year but he lost the starting job, he worked his ass off in the off-season and he is poised to win the job back and you're going to get in here and say that? I don't get it, what does that kind of comment bring to the table?!
Oline was our soft spot...gotta run the ball and both defenses shut that down. Pass pro wasn't very effective either. Pitt Wisconsin Mich St and Stanford won the trench game..Pitt and Wisconsin had critical turnovers and lost..Michigan St and Stanford didn't and won.
I agree with your premise but not your examples. Wiscy played basically the entire 2nd half in our territory and couldn't score more than 6 pts including getting stonewalled at the Goal line which, lets be honest caused the infamous fumble and Pitt couldn't get 1 yard when they absolutely HAD to have it late in the game. If you mean O-line in particular then yes I could agree with that as good as our line was they can still be quite a bit better!
I think....and it looked like....our players had no traction on the field..poor footwear didn't help.
Hi cmhawks 99,
I think you're confusing me with mvhomerj. I never once mentioned speed in any of my posts. I mentioned talent and athleticism. Both of those are different than pure speed.
To answer your questions, Lomax was man up on McCaffrey the first play of the game. McCaffrey faked outside and Lomax bit. Cole Fisher was the WLB and slipped but Hogan was eyeing McCaffrey before Cole Fisher slipped and was going to throw it to his RB no matter what. If Cole doesn't slip, he probably still doesn't get to that ball but maybe he gets in the line of sight. Again, first play Lomax was man up with McCaffrey.
See for yourself: 6:00 minute mark of link below
On the second TD where Hogan ran a read option and kept the ball himself. He made a simple juke and Lomax over pursued.
See for yourself: 18:40 mark of attachment
Agreed but to start with Fisher went the wrong direction and then had to scramble to get back and fell. 2nd Lomax really had quite a poor game and I don't like ever hating on our players but the fact remains he played very poorly in the whole game, he was pretty much involved in at least three of those touchdowns in being late to the ball but it wasn't a speedy issue maybe it was being hurt? Head not in the game as a result, I don't know but yes he played poorly of that we agree.
If you sensed I was attacking you I apologize I was not I've had a lot of really pleasant reasonable discussions on here lately I'll be disappearing as the season starts but I've really enjoyed the back-and-forth dialogue. I also find you insightful and intelligent as far as what you're saying so I'm not against you in any form I do have a pet peeve with the speed thing but that's an over-arching thing directed at the talking heads as well as fans. It's the easy out for everything and rarely explains what happened in my opinion!
Play better. They haven't showed up the last two bowl games, and made two teams look a lot better than they were...
ESPN hacks eluded that Doyle should be fired and the Hawks got beat B/c he was to tough on them down the stretch. So fire Doyle and all will be well (sarcasm of course)!!!!
Iowa needs to recruit better. That Tennessee team was loaded with highly recruited ( young) players. Just way more talent than Iowa and I think, this will finally be their year.
As for Stanford, they shut Iowa down. No fear of our average wide receivers after facing a PAC 12 schedule. Sadly, we are in the same position again this year.
As for Stanford, they shut Iowa down. No fear of our average wide receivers after facing a PAC 12 schedule. Sadly, we are in the same position again this year.
Well not sure what to say here but I happen to know Tennessee has always had way higher recruiting rankings than Iowa yet interestingly enough they have a similar amount of kids in the NFL so not sure what to think of that coment especially considering how inexperienced Iowa was in a lot of key defensive positions.
I thought it was also interesting another gentleman said wait till next year as far as the true freshman playing and that's purely based on a recruiting ranking & since we've got somewhere in the neighborhood of 22 or 23 sophomores, redshirt freshman and true freshman in the two deeps I'd be pretty surprised to see that many freshmen play next year. But that's just me I guess!
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You might remember we couldn't throw the damn ball to our "average" wide receivers, they didn't have too terrible much to do with it and by the way I don't remember Stanford having that great a wide receivers?
Don't you think that's quite an oversimplification? CJ was hurt our pass blocking was terrible...honestly it was a disaster of a game at every level.
Tevaun Smith looks like he's going to make the roster for Indianapolis and Vandys a pretty fine wide receiver so although I'm not saying our wide receivers are great where that falls in the list of problems in that game is way way down the list.
I heard the same thing after the first Orange Bowl. And how that experience taught us how to approach bowl games, leading to improvements in the next two outings.
So . . . did the coaches forget those lessons and have to relearn them?
And, didn't we lose the TaxSlayer because we didn't want to be there? But then we lost the Rose because we were just happy to be there?
Not an attack, just trying to make sense of what I'm reading.
