What did we learn today?

[minnhawkeye]

Just my thoughts not being critical:
125. Gillman looks a little stronger this year
133. Clark is Clark when the lights are on he will shine
141.. For sure we need Brody, Turk needs work on the mat
149..;.Find out more tomorrow afte T-Shirts match. Looks stronger also
157....Needs more work improving somewhat
165....Looks like gonna be a hole but is lots of time till March\
174....Meyer has me puzzled at this point, he can do it but......
184.....Sammy will be fine
194....Burak looking better every time seems to have more confidence on his feet.
Hwt....."Cookies" just keep on improving .
So in my thoughts we still have work to do at 141,157.and 165. Also Meyer needs to get to his offense.

 

[255]

I learned that if you sit in a plastic chair in a gym in Illinois and eat college level junk food, you ass and feet go numb while your intestins come alive in exciting new ways.

Good overview. We look a lot better this year in many ways but still need to hit that higher gear.

 

[Omahahawk86]

I'll hold off until after tomorrow. Tonight was not a good session at all though.

 

[rossel 33]

Just my thoughts not being critical:
125. Gillman looks a little stronger this year
133. Clark is Clark when the lights are on he will shine
141.. For sure we need Brody, Turk needs work on the mat
149..;.Find out more tomorrow afte T-Shirts match. Looks stronger also
157....Needs more work improving somewhat
165....Looks like gonna be a hole but is lots of time till March\
174....Meyer has me puzzled at this point, he can do it but......
184.....Sammy will be fine
194....Burak looking better every time seems to have more confidence on his feet.
Hwt....."Cookies" just keep on improving .
So in my thoughts we still have work to do at 141,157.and 165. Also Meyer needs to get to his offense.

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pretty much agree

Gilman looks very impressive... explosive, and does look stronger

141 and 165 - will be lucky to make it to ncaa (unless Brody comes thru at 141)

149 - Sorensen solid as expected. Kemerer is a very pleasant surprise. Had not seen him wrestle before, and he gave #4 ranked Richardson all he could handle. Really gets to the legs alot.

157 - Cooper is coming along, could score some points at ncaa

174 - likewise, a bit underwhelming. 2 close decisions against unranked guys. Seems vulnerable to leg attacks. Hope Alex can live up to his #3 ranking.

184 - Sammy looking great, unfortunately has Taylor in semi's. Here's hoping....

197, Hwt - Burak looking good on feet. Sammy is a dark horse AA imho. Has #1 Gwiaz next.

 

[TarpHawk]

141 is wide open. Mecate, Jack, Ashnault, Abidin all got beat today. Carton just finds a way to lose, and he's a junior, so he's not going to get much better. Anxiously awaiting Grothus.

149 semis and finals alone are worth the price of admission. Go Sorensen.

Kemerer wrestled like a guy who will AA next year. Turk, Wilcke, and Holloway did not. Not writing them off, just acknowledging the reality that everyone else acknowledged today--they're not under-the-radar secret weapons after all. We need another Kemerer/Marinelli-caliber recruit in the upper weights or we're going to be wishing we had one.

Cooper beat #9 Welch 7-1, then got destroyed by #6 Gantt. He needs to stay tough tomorrow. He's now solidly in the conversation for scoring points at NCAAs.

65 is the ice cream weight. Nothing new there, unfortunately.

I don't like the way Meyer looked today.

Brooks helped his NCAA seed by beating #6 Zillmer. Don't know how far Dechow will fall.

Burak looking really good.

Stoll showed that the first win over #11 Smith wasn't a fluke. He's AA conversation.

 

[edquinn06]

Who did Iowa have to to midlands last year as true freshmen? Stoll and Gross? Both guys went 1-2 last year and both are looking better this year and having a better tournament.
Turk 2-2
Wilcke 1-2
Holloway 1-2
Pretty similar results. These guys have got a lot of time to get better.

 

[goiahawkeyes]

My takeaways from yesterday:

125: Gilman is still a stud. Enough said.

133: Clark is still a stud. If you go under him, he'll rip your arm off.

141: Someone needs to take the reigns. Carton looked the best to me, lost some good scrambles with Gross that decided the match.

149: Sorenson is still a stud. Kemerer was right there with the #5 guy. If he doesn't give up 4 back points I think he wins that match. I really want to see Kemerer destroy Moreno today.

157: Cooper is coming along. Seems to be getting better each time out. Tricky match against Lewis today. Good opportunity for him here.

165: Rhoads' aggressiveness is what separated him from Paddock earlier in the season. I didn't see that aggressiveness yesterday. I really hope he turns it up today and can pick up a win or two on the backside. Will likely see Perrotti second match today.

174: If Meyer can wrestle the first period the way he wrestles the 3rd period he'll be fine. If not, he's Mike Evans, which is fine if you want to be 6th - 8th. If he picks up the intensity, he's top 4 finisher in my opinion.

184: Solid day from Sammy. Did what was expected and crushed 2 lesser opponents and beat a really good Zilmer.

197: This is the best I've ever seen Burak. He looks really damn good on his feet. He scored 43 points in 3 matches today. Love what I'm seeing from him so far.

Hwt: Another good win for Stoll beating Smith. Great job riding him out in the second period and even better job not getting ridden in the 3rd period. Tough day today, but Stoll is doing a great job.

 

[artradley]

Just my thoughts not being critical:
125. Gillman looks a little stronger this year
133. Clark is Clark when the lights are on he will shine
141.. For sure we need Brody, Turk needs work on the mat
149..;.Find out more tomorrow afte T-Shirts match. Looks stronger also
157....Needs more work improving somewhat
165....Looks like gonna be a hole but is lots of time till March\
174....Meyer has me puzzled at this point, he can do it but......
184.....Sammy will be fine
194....Burak looking better every time seems to have more confidence on his feet.
Hwt....."Cookies" just keep on improving .
So in my thoughts we still have work to do at 141,157.and 165. Also Meyer needs to get to his offense.

We don't need work out of our existing 41, 57 & 65 guys. We need Grothus to come through, we need Myer to wrestle at a high level, Stoll to AA, and our proven studs to wrestle to seed.

 

[andegre]

We don't need work out of our existing 41, 57 & 65 guys. We need Grothus to come through, we need Myer to wrestle at a high level, Stoll to AA, and our proven studs to wrestle to seed.

And anything we get from 57 will be an added bonus.

 

[sloehawk]

141 is wide open. Mecate, Jack, Ashnault, Abidin all got beat today. Carton just finds a way to lose, and he's a junior, so he's not going to get much better. Anxiously awaiting Grothus.

149 semis and finals alone are worth the price of admission. Go Sorensen.

Kemerer wrestled like a guy who will AA next year. Turk, Wilcke, and Holloway did not. Not writing them off, just acknowledging the reality that everyone else acknowledged today--they're not under-the-radar secret weapons after all. We need another Kemerer/Marinelli-caliber recruit in the upper weights or we're going to be wishing we had one.

Cooper beat #9 Welch 7-1, then got destroyed by #6 Gantt. He needs to stay tough tomorrow. He's now solidly in the conversation for scoring points at NCAAs.

65 is the ice cream weight. Nothing new there, unfortunately.

I don't like the way Meyer looked today.

Brooks helped his NCAA seed by beating #6 Zillmer. Don't know how far Dechow will fall.

Burak looking really good.

Stoll showed that the first win over #11 Smith wasn't a fluke. He's AA conversation.

Of all the matches I watched yesterday by far the 2 most disappointing were Carton's loss to Gross and Cooper's loss to Gantt. I think you nailed it with "Carton just finds ways to lose". He does some good things and then kind of just rolls around. Frankly neither he or Gross looked very good in that match (here's to hoping Happel is the guy that breaks that chain of finding a legit 141 in the future). I'd be absolutely stunned if Brody G. doesn't take all these guys to the woodshed.

Cooper has shown some signs of being decent, but he got absolutely throttled by a good but not great guy in Gantt, who tore him apart with the same couple of moves the entire match, and Cooper failed to learn or counter anything throughout the course of the match. The gap just got wider and wider. Those things don't happen to AA types, especially Seniors. Not against guys like Gantt anyway, who redhirted last year and had a nice year at 157-165, but was a 1 time qualifier prior to that. Cooper didn't have an answer for anything, that was very perplexing. He did keep moving, so I guess that's a good thing.

The redshirt freshman I don't get overly concerned about at this point. Those things can change a lot over time. I think Holloway has some promise, but he'll have to shore that up by next year, so he's more on the fast track than the rest. Wilcke didn't do much in either match that I saw. Didn't get to see a lot of Turk. Need more Kemerer types, for sure. Not many of those to be had (Princeton apparently found one in Kolozdik (sp?) though!).

 

[TarpHawk]

Who did Iowa have to to midlands last year as true freshmen? Stoll and Gross? Both guys went 1-2 last year and both are looking better this year and having a better tournament.
Turk 2-2
Wilcke 1-2
Holloway 1-2
Pretty similar results. These guys have got a lot of time to get better.

Turk and Holloway have exactly 14 months to be top 8 if we want to win a team title next year.

 

[TarpHawk]

Turk and Holloway have exactly 14 months to be top 8 if we want to win a team title next year.

If we can get Kolodzik and Snyder to transfer that will buy them some more time.

 

[MSU158]

Don't sell Cooper short based on his performance against Gantt. I think Gantt is going to turn some heads this year. The redshirt last season seems to have worked wonders. I doubt he can break through the top 4(IMart, Miller, Nolf and Brascetta) but I could easily see him in the 5th/6th match in March.

 

[Sandor45]

Gantt is gonna be a tough out for anyone. Lanky, strong, and aggressive.
It would have been a good match up with him and Imar (thanks Illinois)

 

[JohnBasedow]

Kolozdik was a top 5 recruit who chose Princeton over many top programs. He is the real deal.

 

[sloehawk]

Don't sell Cooper short based on his performance against Gantt. I think Gantt is going to turn some heads this year. The redshirt last season seems to have worked wonders. I doubt he can break through the top 4(IMart, Miller, Nolf and Brascetta) but I could easily see him in the 5th/6th match in March.

C'mon now. Gantt isn't Brent Metcalf, and he took Cooper to the woodshed. I don't doubt Gantt has some skills, and maybe he's the best late bloomer the sport has ever seen, but our starter at 157 got throttled by a guy that might be 5th or 6th? I think that statement alone is cause for great concern.

 

[edquinn06]

Turk and Holloway have exactly 14 months to be top 8 if we want to win a team title next year.

not nessicssarly true.
25 and 33 like this year will be competing for a national title next year and with nico, Brewer, Garrnett all graduating the rode is alittle easier.
41 will be wide open next year and Turk has the potential to show just as much growth as stoll has this year.
49 and 57 will be top 5 next year with BS and Kemmerer, just not sure who will where.
65 I think we finally see the first true freshmen in Marinelli and he will be a AA.
74 Meyer will be top 5
84 Brooks will be top 5
97is he big ?, but PSU loses Morgan, tOSU won't have Synder, and cowboys don't have a world beater. Holloway could very well also do what Stoll is doing so far this year by next year.
285 Stoll will be top 5.

So I'm only seeing 2 weights with ?'s next year. We have 3 this year in 41, 57, 65. Here's hoping on Brody for this year and Turk and Holloway for next. Keep working hard boys! Go Hawks!

 

[MVPFAN]

Gilman is the best I have seen since HS as far as getting to his offense and dominating.

Clark is even tougher on top than before, looks stronger. Needs to be able to score from neutral vs the big boys.

Besides the unknown of Brody then Carton is the best guy. Ryan has gone up to 149 it seems and Turk is not good enough to pull his shirt. Carton could and should have beaten Bleise and got out funked Gross. He struggles on bottom and getting his legs tied up after he shoots. Likely due to being short and not being able to explode for clean finishes. He has shown some nice shots he got deep on but did not finish. I think regular time on the mat and he will get better at some of that. Not an AA at the moment though. He had given up some cheap points getting out of position too, a little Mike Kelly syndrom mixed with some Uncle Luke with the finishing troubles.

Sorensen looks good, seems stronger. I'd like to see more offense, he has it. Was worried when he gave up the backs to Theobald.

Kemerer is tough, is AA caliber now. Will only get better. what you expect from a top 10 overall guy.

Cooper has looked pretty good in some matches, seems to be getting better but he got rag dolled vs Gant. Hopefully an isolated incident as Gant got to his legs and took him down at will. He is not at AA level IMO and will not give many points without continued improvement. The one thing he has Kelly did not is better athletic ability to work with.

Rhoads is what he is, a Sr who put in his time and scraps the best he can. I think the cut is hard for Paddock and with his Father passing I'm guessing he will no longer be a factor at 165. Hit the weights and see what 174 brings.

Meyer needs to shake the funk. I think since he was "only a back up" last year he just let it fly and figured nothing to lose. Seems tight this year, he will not finish like we need the way he is currently performing. He is a big 174 so not sure if the cut is an issue.

Brooks looks good, needs to keep from getting sloppy at times but looking very tough.

Burak looks great, he is big and strong and is confident in his shots. He looks healthy which had been an issue previous years. He has the skill to beat anyone IMO.

Stoll has gotten a lot better, needs to work on his footwork and quickness to go along with the size. Needs to add muscle as well. Throuw is the confidence to hit his shots and he will be very good.

Turk has some nice skills, looks smallish right now to me. Needs to get stronger, work on his mat game and polish things.

Holloway has some skills but is raw, needs to wrestle like Mcintosh with his skill set and build. He is used to being the bull but there are lots of bulls in the pen now. His mat game top and bottom need a lot of work. Needs to get in shape to where he does not mail it in when tired.

Wilke did not show me much to be confident. Just did not do much and was low energy too. For a guy who has spent a bit of time up a weight he looks kind of small at 184 to me. Certainly not a big looking 184. His losses were to guys who are a lot worse than the ones Holloway lost to. Luckily you could say the same about Sam Stoll at this tournament last year so here is to him putting in the work to get better.

IMO we need to focus recruiting on 184/197, Lee and Berge. We should be plenty good everywhere else assuming Bradley gets on board.

 

[MSU158]

C'mon now. Gantt isn't Brent Metcalf, and he took Cooper to the woodshed. I don't doubt Gantt has some skills, and maybe he's the best late bloomer the sport has ever seen, but our starter at 157 got throttled by a guy that might be 5th or 6th? I think that statement alone is cause for great concern.

I guess that depends on what your expectations were for Cooper. I never expected more than R12 or, if he gets a lucky draw, sneaking into the 7th/8th match. Depending on what OkState does, after Gantt 157 looks wide open. This one match, in my eyes at least, didn't put Cooper any lower than where I expected him to be.

 

[Fansince1960]

Just my thoughts not being critical:
125. Gillman looks a little stronger this year
133. Clark is Clark when the lights are on he will shine
141.. For sure we need Brody, Turk needs work on the mat
149..;.Find out more tomorrow afte T-Shirts match. Looks stronger also
157....Needs more work improving somewhat
165....Looks like gonna be a hole but is lots of time till March\
174....Meyer has me puzzled at this point, he can do it but......
184.....Sammy will be fine
194....Burak looking better every time seems to have more confidence on his feet.
Hwt....."Cookies" just keep on improving .
So in my thoughts we still have work to do at 141,157.and 165. Also Meyer needs to get to his offense.

I

Just my thoughts not being critical:
125. Gillman looks a little stronger this year
133. Clark is Clark when the lights are on he will shine
141.. For sure we need Brody, Turk needs work on the mat
149..;.Find out more tomorrow afte T-Shirts match. Looks stronger also
157....Needs more work improving somewhat
165....Looks like gonna be a hole but is lots of time till March\
174....Meyer has me puzzled at this point, he can do it but......
184.....Sammy will be fine
194....Burak looking better every time seems to have more confidence on his feet.
Hwt....."Cookies" just keep on improving .
So in my thoughts we still have work to do at 141,157.and 165. Also Meyer needs to get to his offense.

I've learned that I've always got the last words with my wife. those words are "Yes Dear"

 

[MSU158]

sloehawk,

Now, that Rutgers match warrants worry..................

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

C'mon now. Gantt isn't Brent Metcalf, and he took Cooper to the woodshed. I don't doubt Gantt has some skills, and maybe he's the best late bloomer the sport has ever seen, but our starter at 157 got throttled by a guy that might be 5th or 6th? I think that statement alone is cause for great concern.

Interesting about Gantt and Cooper is they are both 5th yr seniors from Illinois. Coop was a 4x finalist/2x champ in the big school division while Gantt was a couple time placer in the lower division. Nobody would have guessed that an Iowa singlet wearing Cooper would ever get majored by Gantt. I would've lost the farm on that bet. There are many very tuned into high school wrestling here in Illinois that didn't realize Gantt is from here while everyone knows who Coop is. Crazy how far Gantt has come.

 

[sloehawk]

sloehawk,

Now, that Rutgers match warrants worry..................

Yeah. I wasn't arguing your position, just concerned that he was so overmatched by a guy like Gantt. That is worrisome to me.

My expectations of Cooper were that he's a Senior with a starting spot at Iowa and some decent credentials in his past, so maybe he comes out with a bang and warrants some serious AA discussion. Was hoping to see enough improvement now that he's the man, to do some damage at NCAA's. Not seeing it, yet.

 

[Mike_a_TetonValley]

Just my thoughts not being critical:
125. Gillman looks a little stronger this year
133. Clark is Clark when the lights are on he will shine
141.. For sure we need Brody, Turk needs work on the mat
149..;.Find out more tomorrow afte T-Shirts match. Looks stronger also
157....Needs more work improving somewhat
165....Looks like gonna be a hole but is lots of time till March\
174....Meyer has me puzzled at this point, he can do it but......
184.....Sammy will be fine
194....Burak looking better every time seems to have more confidence on his feet.
Hwt....."Cookies" just keep on improving .
So in my thoughts we still have work to do at 141,157.and 165. Also Meyer needs to get to his offense.

What I learned today ... this team has a lot of work ahead of them. How serious is the knee and Clark? Cooper looked average at best at the Midlands. Some hope at 165. Meyer is way overrated. Concerns about Stoll as well (Peck was handing it to him before he was injured). Not as a pretty day as yesterday. Go Hawks!!!

 

[lookleft goright]

Interesting about Gantt and Cooper is they are both 5th yr seniors from Illinois. Coop was a 4x finalist/2x champ in the big school division while Gantt was a couple time placer in the lower division. Nobody would have guessed that an Iowa singlet wearing Cooper would ever get majored by Gantt. I would've lost the farm on that bet. There are many very tuned into high school wrestling here in Illinois that didn't realize Gantt is from here while everyone knows who Coop is. Crazy how far Gantt has come.

Papabear,

There are quite a few 2A guys wrestling well in Div 1. It surpasses a lot of people, but you have Lavion Mayes for Missouri and Barlow Mcghee, as well as Dechow who is wrestling for (I forget who now). That is 4 pretty good ones when you count Gantt. I am sure there are others. I can't remember where Blaise Butler is from, but it seems likes the 2A kids from Illinois do better than the 3A kids do.
What are your thoughts on that?

 

[whejoe]

What I learned today is that I need to lower my expectations for Meyers.....

 

[Abro1975]

WE learned 3 of the top 7 teams are from NJ ! RU 3rd, Rider tied for 5th w ISU , and Princeton 7th !

And I painfully learned Stoll is better, a little bit better, than Billy Smith , lol.

Also learned The Southern Scuffle, being in sunny Florida, will draw more and more good teams from the Mid West and NorthEast away from the Midlands. Tough to beat that hot, sunny, bikini clad setting.

 

[Omahahawk86]

Who cares about the weather its wrestling season. I couldn't imagine a season in the sun(sorry chief). You think these kids are going out and boozing it up during season after a tournament on the beach?

Of course I wish midlands was tougher but I hope we never leave. We get to see teams we don't see until nationals. Almost all teams have a few studs and bring in good competition.

 

[sloehawk]

WE learned 3 of the top 7 teams are from NJ ! RU 3rd, Rider tied for 5th w ISU , and Princeton 7th !

And I painfully learned Stoll is better, a little bit better, than Billy Smith , lol.

Also learned The Southern Scuffle, being in sunny Florida, will draw more and more good teams from the Mid West and NorthEast away from the Midlands. Tough to beat that hot, sunny, bikini clad setting.

Is Chattanooga now in Florida? That climate change shit is really shifting the landscape! Hat's off to Al Gore and his tiny "carbon footprint"! LOL!

 

[Sidewinder00]

What I learned today ... this team has a lot of work ahead of them. How serious is the knee and Clark? Cooper looked average at best at the Midlands. Some hope at 165. Meyer is way overrated. Concerns about Stoll as well (Peck was handing it to him before he was injured). Not as a pretty day as yesterday. Go Hawks!!!

Meyer has not had a good tournament. He seemed like a different wrestler against the Pokes. Stoll has a lot of work to do. Great pin in his last match after he torqued Pecks shoulder into roadkill. But he really struggles on the bottom and just doesn't move real well. He seems to be a strong dude, which is why it surprises me when he gets handled on the bottom like he seemed to today. Gotta remember that he is still a young guy, good times are ahead for the big boy.

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

I think we have learned that we are a better Dual Team than a Tournament Team...

 

[vanhawkman]

My .02

125-Gilman is on a mission, haven't seen him against Dance, Tomasello or Mega yet, but I'm confident with our guy. 3rd or higher this season
133-Hoping today was only precautionary, but Clark is the man to beat at this weight. Absolute beast, I think he'll be on the top of the podium this year.
141-Just unknown, Carton has bright spots, then, WTF? Ryan hasn't looked strong either. Hoping Brody can come in and do some things, I have to believe that he's beating these guys in the room, because if not, we're in trouble at this weight.
149-BS is the man! Great win tonight, only going to get better as the season goes on. Can't wait to see him and Reatherford, and who didn't like his post-Tshirt match interview with the bloody nose? Champ come March
157-Cooper is our guy, just needs to improve. He's shown that he can beat some guys that are strong, then he gets dominated by someone he really shouldn't have. Needs to keep working and put it all together. Some points at NCAAs.
165-Rhoads is tough, and taking 7th is by no means an earth shifting moment, but it's a start. More work to be done, but he's our guy. Like Cooper, keep working and put it together.
174-Alex worries me. Gas tank from above, but gets whooped by Walters, a guy he should have beaten (Walters is no slouch by any means). But, it's early. I'm hoping that he processes it, and turns it into motivation and GETS TO HIS OFFENSE! AA this year at least.
184-Not worried with Sammy, got beat, but things to work on that can be fixed. Needs to keep pushing forward. AA for sure
197-Burak only getting better with his 2nd Midlands. Can't wait to see him against the top 3. 4th or higher.
285-Sam only getting better also. A question mark at the beginning of the year is now a confident bet for AA in March. Strong Midlands and a taste of what Gwiz brings to the table.
AA for sure.

Redshirts

Kemerer-loses to the #4 and #7 guys by a combined 3 points. Would definitely be in the top 8 at the end of this year if he was our starter. Future is bright for this young man, 4 time AA for sure! And what a bonus the a#$ whooping he put on Moreno!
Turk, Holloway, Wilke-too early to judge these guys, just hoping they keep driving and working in that room!

Overall,
2 Champs-Sorenson and Clark
Possible Champs in Gilman, Meyer, and (with a strong tourney) Burak
AAs in Brooks, Stoll, and hoping Grothus

 

[sloehawk]

Those are some pretty favorable outcomes for our boys. I'd be stunned with such good fortune come March.

 

[LaxHawk174]

My half-homer/half-reasonable expectations for NCAA's with the info and results we have now post midlands:

Gilman: I predict a finalist. Bonus points for the first 2 rounds, Dominant dec. in quarters, then a dogfight in both semis and finals.

Clark: Same as Gilman, May get more or less bonus early on, depends if refs let the kids turtle up on bottom and whistle PD every time Clark runs a bar.

Grothus (hopefully): I'd like to say he'll be an AA in a wide open weight, but we have to see him wwrestle at 141 first to make that prediction. Unfortunately it looks like maybe 1-2 pts here if Carton goes at this point.

Sorensen: Finalist, I think he'll be taking on Retherford in the finals, Big 10s will give us an idea of how close this match is, I predict similar to Tsirtsis, a close score dog fight.

Cooper: He has shown flashes of talent and then had some 'Cmon Man' losses that I know he could have pulled out. I'm thinking with a good draw he'll make R16 maybe R12. So probably 2-3 pts

Rhoads: Same as Cooper, although he has the benefit of a bit weaker weight class. But i'll probably say 1-2 pts

Meyer: A little disappointed with his lack of offense. But at this point, I'm not gonna be worrying about him getting bonus. Just win. If you have to win every match SR Mike Evans style 4-1, so be it. Just win and become an AA. I just want to be confident I can predict an AA here in march. AA 5-8 at this point. He has the ability to break into the top 4, but he'll need to be able to score on the likes of Realbuto, Crutchmer, Nickal, and Epperly types, and one TD won't do it against most of those guys.

Brooks: Had a good showing, but finished the tourny with a sloppy last match. I think he's better than Zilmer, just got outslicked and couldn't finish his stuff in this match. I still think he is a threat to be wrestling Saturday night. I'll probably say top 4 for Sammy right now. He has all of the skills necessary to make a deep run in march, and one sloppy match at midlands doesn't change my mind.

Burak: Top 4 and everyone else at this weight it seems right now. He is solid in every position, he just doesn't give up takedowns to people ranked lower than him, and maybe wont always blow them out of the water, but he wins. Although he has been putting up good bonus this year, and bonused his first two guys at NCAAs last year.

Stoll: Has improved leaps and bounds since this time last year. Has all the makings of an AA at this weight, and could put up some nice bonus in the early rounds or consis if he goes there. I think at this point he slots nicely in the 6-8 range.

Finalists: Gilman, Clark, Sorensen
AAs Top 4: Brooks, Burak
AAs 6-8: Meyer, Stoll, (hopefully Grothus, but we'll see)
Hopefully the points from 141(if no grothus)/157/165 all add up to 6-7 pts, or another low AA in terms of pts.

Would this be enough to win us the team title? 5 High AAs and 2/3 Low AAs?

 

[vanhawkman]

Those are some pretty favorable outcomes for our boys. I'd be stunned with such good fortune come March.

Just believe, Sloe!

 

[TarpHawk]

not nessicssarly true.
25 and 33 like this year will be competing for a national title next year and with nico, Brewer, Garrnett all graduating the rode is alittle easier.
41 will be wide open next year and Turk has the potential to show just as much growth as stoll has this year.
49 and 57 will be top 5 next year with BS and Kemmerer, just not sure who will where.
65 I think we finally see the first true freshmen in Marinelli and he will be a AA.
74 Meyer will be top 5
84 Brooks will be top 5
97is he big ?, but PSU loses Morgan, tOSU won't have Synder, and cowboys don't have a world beater. Holloway could very well also do what Stoll is doing so far this year by next year.
285 Stoll will be top 5.

So I'm only seeing 2 weights with ?'s next year. We have 3 this year in 41, 57, 65. Here's hoping on Brody for this year and Turk and Holloway for next. Keep working hard boys! Go Hawks!

If you're pulling the shirt on Marinelli then I think we're basically in agreement that we need to add 2-3 freshman superstars every year, not just 1.