What more does Kriener have to do?
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I agree. We are really challenged at the guard spot. Williams is getting some steals, but has no confidence in his shot and it shows. Ellingson is just too limited athletically on both ends. I would like to see Bohannon slide to the 2 and have some ball screens set, but he is our only option at pg.
I did not say he would average those numbers over a season.
I factually stated that IS what he is doing this year when his numbers are extrapolated to a per 40 minute ratio.
Then I compared him to every player on the team in the same manner. In doing so he has the best overall numbers per 40 minutes. That in now way states he will average those numbers on a per game played basis as your reply suggests. Two totally different metrics.
Actually, the way you phonetically spelled it would be pronounced Cray-ner.
A correct phonetic spelling would be Cree-ner.
Fran has been quoted in the past as not practicing boxing out. Just heard that on thr radio last eeek. I am hoping that was just a brief occurrence in their week of practice at the time (they were referring to last year). However, it does seem to be a significant issue.
If you don't practice something, you are not going to be any good at it... we need to have this be one of our primary focuses in practice. That, and practicing sharp, crisp passes. Way too many lazy passes, we have. But that is evident in our league leading Turnover stats.
Box out. Pass. Win.
Kriener reminds me of a Wisconsin style big. He can shoot, is mobile, and can handle the ball a bit. Maybe a poor man's version of Frank Kaminsky? Or even a Jared Bergren type?
Good point. Lots of up side with Kriener. Aside from his physical tools, I like his demeanor. He isn't intimidated by the moment as demonstrated by his move against Purdue seconds after hitting the floor. He didn't hesitate or look to pass when he caught the ball in a good spot.
Repeating myself....Kriener in the starting lineup gives us a dynamic we lack currently. If they play off, he can shoot it. If they extend, Cook or Pemsl can flash and not have to deal with two bigs looming over them. If he dumps it down, somebody will drop to help, leaving Bohannon, Jok, or Moss with an open look.
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Yep. Kriener could be a great pick and pop type big man. That could work great with Cook/Pemsl opposite him.
Ellingson and Bohanan are very limited athletically. They are not going to become better athletes anytime during their tenure here. Better look to the JC ranks to find an athlete that can play the point, and please don't get another 5-10" kid from the suburbs.
Is it true that Kriener was a guard in HS before a growth spurt? There you go, we have Frank Kamminski II.
I really like this guy.
I think many including me had a little bias against him because he is local, from a small school, and has a very pale complexion.
I think many including me had a little bias against him because he is local, from a small school, and has a very pale complexion.
I agree...if he didn't have a good upside he wouldn't have gotten an offer. Hell I've thought for a long time that with his shooting ability he would have tremendous upside for the program.
Yes, he played the point to at least freshman year and I think into his sophomore year.
He was a wing when a freshman before he grew and moved to spirit lake. At spirit lake played power forward or center all 3 years.
I'd guess his guard years may have been junior high
Watching Wisconsin vs Michigan you can really see the negative effect that ethan Happ on nigel Hayes game. Nigel was great when he was paired with Fran Kaminski who was more of a perimeter and dribble drive center. Nigel is not so effective with Happ at center because Happ camps in low post and Nigel is trying to be a 3pt shooter.
I think the point about Kriener adding new dimension to Iowa at 5 with his outside shot is good point. Having both pemsl and Cook camped in low post at same time is going to lead to both interfering with the other's game.
Defensively, we are not good and I do not see improvement this season. Fran needs to maximize PT for his best offensive players and hope we can get one more basket than the other team. IMO, this stopped being a discussion about who is a better defender after the Omaha game.
The less PT Uhl, Wagner, and Ellingson get, the better IMO. No offensive aptitude and putting 2 -3 of these guys on the floor at the same time is a major surrender. The team needs to forge an identity beyond Jok scoring 25 or they get blown out. Kriener is not the answer, but he is a major offensive upgrade and at worst a push defensively over others. Some variation of Kriener-Cook / Pemsl-Baer with Bohannon, Jok, Williams, Moss, Dailey (hopefully) makes us more athletic and puts more scoring threats on the floor.
The less PT Uhl, Wagner, and Ellingson get, the better IMO. No offensive aptitude and putting 2 -3 of these guys on the floor at the same time is a major surrender. The team needs to forge an identity beyond Jok scoring 25 or they get blown out. Kriener is not the answer, but he is a major offensive upgrade and at worst a push defensively over others. Some variation of Kriener-Cook / Pemsl-Baer with Bohannon, Jok, Williams, Moss, Dailey (hopefully) makes us more athletic and puts more scoring threats on the floor.
While Cook was injured, Pemsl was very efficient in the low post and his shooting percentage was 77%. Since Cook's return Pemsl's shooting percentage is down to 43% during that period and his turnovers are up as well. Cook and Pemsl both want to occupy the low post. It has taken away a lot of Pemsl's low post touches and it looks like now when he gets a touch he's forcing those opportunities. I wonder if Pemsl with Kriener is a better combination. Their games compliment each other very well. Both are good passers and I think our defense would improve with the two of them paired together. They have been well coached in their careers and are more fundamentally solid.
If I remember correctly Cook's return corresponded with start of Big 10 play,....I suspect that tougher competition is the real explanation for the recent reduction in Pemsl's shooting percentage.....
Good point. I hadn't thought of it in those terms. Pemsl let the game come to him when Cook was not. Since his return, Pemsl has started forcing the issue and committing turnovers or picking up charge calls. Of the two, Cook is more comfortable in space, but has not shown the ability to hit mid-range jumpers.
Anytime a team doesn't have 4 three point shooters on the floor, it starts getting crowded in the paint - more so if there are two posts that can't face up from 15 feet.
A Kriener threat from 15 feet would allow a high to low entry pass from Kriener to Pemsl.
Cook is athletic but teams play off him at the FT line so he can't drive effectively, and his post moves are still raw, leaving him without an offensive presence other than rebound dunks and inbound dunks.
A Kriener threat from 15 feet would allow a high to low entry pass from Kriener to Pemsl.
Cook is athletic but teams play off him at the FT line so he can't drive effectively, and his post moves are still raw, leaving him without an offensive presence other than rebound dunks and inbound dunks.
For those who watched Pemsl in high school, does he have a mid range jumper? Seems like I recall him looking fairly proficient from 15 feet in the state tournament.
So much of basketball comes down to effort. All the little things that led to them beating Purdue were absent on Sunday. Couple that with northwestern playing hard and well, and that's how blowouts happen.
I agree. Against Villanova, UVA, etc., I get it. But to get run like that against NW was pretty sobering. NW has not historically had superior athletes at every position, but they do now. No doubt youth and inexperience played a role in the outcome, but Law, Lindsey, McIntosh, and Pardon were men vs. boys. Typically the team with lead loses interest / focus after a while, allowing for a mild comeback. That did not happen and was what I was most disappointed in. At least get it around 15 out of pride. Collins did not exactly call the dogs off until the 2 minute mark.
He never played point guard or guard back in junior high or playing AAU. He did work hard on his game even then and was a good ball handler for a post player.
Agreed, and that was perhaps the most disappointing thing about Sunday. They gave up. The fight that we have seen from them for the most part since Iowa state was not there. Hopefully it was just a blip and they bounce back tonight.
Ryan K. played hard, but the cold facts are he was 2- 6 shooting, 3 TO and 4 fouls in his expanded minutes. We simply played a better team (and darned near won!).
Kriener didn't have a great game, but the kid hustles, scraps, and is clearly po'd when he makes mistakes. I will take his heart every day. 2-6 is not bad relative to Bohannon and Jok. If anything, Kriener needs to get up 10 shots per game. As Calhoun said repeatedly, we just don't get very good shots .
Can someone please extrapolate this over a full 40 minutes for me???
Stick with the core 6 - Bohannon, Moss, Jok, Cook, Pemsl, & Baer. Wagner, Williams and Uhl with the fill-in minutes. Kriener should play if we're playing against a true center/back-to-basket post up threat, but still come off the bench. Ellingson in 3 point situations but still would play Moss and Jok before him unless fouls or rest is an issue. Others can play if we get into foul trouble, are up or down 20 with a few minutes to go, or have an injury issue.
Run more fast-break/transition offense whenever possible and run more sets when we do get slowed down in the half-court. Our motion offense is garbage. If we do run motion, be aggressive... seemed like even when we missed shots - as long as we were putting pressure on the defense we either made the shot or came up with quite a few offensive rebounds for put-backs or kick-out 3s.
Defensively, go under ball screens with big-men defenders jamming the ball-screen and getting a hand up. I like mixing up the D from press/man/zone but got to stick with 3-2 zone to try to limit uncontested 3s.
By the way - I like Kriener. I think after the Purdue game someone posted about getting more shots for Kriener and less for Jok. That about made my head explode. We should be setting up Jok as much as possible.
I am white and like white basketball players. Playing basketball in high school, college, pick-up over the years, I've noticed it doesn't matter what color the dude is - some can shoot, some can jump, some have handles, some play harder and some don't. Not sure why anyone would turn it into a race issue.
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Good points, but who is capable of setting Jok up? Who else do you need to guard on the floor? Fran has no other shooters on the team that can take pressure off of Jok. So you give up a 3 to Baer, Ellingson, and maybe Uhl every couple games by playing off. The trade off is you can hound Jok all over the floor knowing our PG isn't going to drive the ball and neither is our 2.
Moss is the only guy capable of creating his own offense, but we either don't utilize him properly or Fran isn't a fan of his effort. He is the only guy capable of driving, but we run nothing for him and put him beyond the 3 point line all of the sets.
Moss is the only guy capable of creating his own offense, but we either don't utilize him properly or Fran isn't a fan of his effort. He is the only guy capable of driving, but we run nothing for him and put him beyond the 3 point line all of the sets.
Like I mentioned - run more sets. If we run motion, Jok never gets open - need designed plays (sad, but true).
You need to guard Moss. He needs to be just as aggressive as Jok. Baer seems to do a decent job of setting people up and penetrating when he has the ball to dish to big men on the baseline or kick-out 3s.
You need to guard Moss. He needs to be just as aggressive as Jok. Baer seems to do a decent job of setting people up and penetrating when he has the ball to dish to big men on the baseline or kick-out 3s.
I understand your point, but to run sets you need a PG who can do something other than dribble east-west 25 feet from the basket. Getting the ball in the hands of others like Baer is the only choice we have. You look at MD and NW's offense and it starts with the PG breaking the defense down, moving the ball faster than the defense can rotate to create open shots.
Baer did a nice job of probing and taking a shot or dishing. More of that would help IMO.
Baer did a nice job of probing and taking a shot or dishing. More of that would help IMO.
Kriener did shoot 2-6. 2 of those shots were missed tip ins when our second squad was scrapping for everything. If you remember this group got us back in the game last night. Also, stats show he had 2 turnovers not 3. Probably not his best game, but he did play hard and Fran went to him over the other bigs at the end of the game. I guess the coaches are seeing thing they like in all the players and play them as they see fit. Facts are our starting group has started games and second half very poorly the last two games. Fran doesn't like it and he might make changes.
