What Voters Want That Trump Seems to Have

[tarheelbybirth]

But they can put one foot in front of the other which the current President struggles to do.

So you'd rather have a president who can't put one truth in front of another, who celebrates fascists, and who denies the democratic process. I get it. I mean, I really don't but I understand fully what you're doing.

 

[alaskanseminole]

The Dems realize if they replaced Biden with Whitmer or Newsome they would win 350 Electoral Votes right? I don’t understand the adoration for an 80 year old man who struggles to cognitively function on a daily basis. Some are finally starting to say the quiet part out loud and if other big Dem donors like Ackman speak up Biden will be off the ticket by March.

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I mean come on how can one watch the video and not agree with Ackman’s point.

A. The point he makes is legit. Biden looks frail.

B. To illustrate his point he just flat out lies? There is NO WAY IN HELL this is true.

A growing number of liberal Democrats that I know who would never vote for Trump ‘over their dead body’ have recently told me that if the election were held today and the choice was Biden or Trump, they would vote for Trump.

 

[hawkland14]

So you'd rather have a president who can't put one truth in front of another, who celebrates fascists, and who denies the democratic process. I get it. I mean, I really don't but I understand fully what you're doing.

I have never voted for Trump nor will I ever.

 

[artradley]

If everything you said was true Biden wouldn’t be at a 37 percent approval rating. His rating has nothing to do with Trump or MAGA.

Approval ratings are almost never based on substance.

All of what he said is true.

 

[artradley]

A growing number of liberal Democrats that I know who would never vote for Trump ‘over their dead body’ have recently told me that if the election were held today and the choice was Biden or Trump, they would vote for Trump.

I do not believe that for a minute.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

By Michelle Cottle
Ms. Cottle is a domestic correspondent for Opinion and a co-host of “Matter of Opinion.”
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So about that poll. You know the one: the Times/Siena poll showing Donald Trump with an edge over President Biden in five out of six swing states, and suggesting a softening of support for Mr. Biden among Black, Latino and young voters.
The results have been met in Democratic and other anti-MAGA circles with horror, disbelief and panic. How could they not be? Whatever disappointment voters have with Mr. Biden, the idea that any of his 2020 backers would give his predecessor another shot at destroying democracy feels like pure lunacy.
It is best to take horse-race polling this far out from Election Day with a boatload of salt. There are too many moving pieces. Too much that could happen. Too much of the public is not paying attention.
But some of the data points to the unusual dynamics at play with a defeated president challenging the guy that America dumped him for. It isn’t just that Mr. Biden has weakness among less engaged voters, or that some respondents weren’t embracing Mr. Trump so much as rejecting Mr. Biden. What struck me is that despite his own raging unpopularity, Mr. Trump is positioned to serve as the repository for protest votes, nostalgia votes and change votes, a weird but potentially potent mash-up of support that could make up for a multitude of weaknesses. He could wind up beating Mr. Biden almost by default.
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A re-election campaign is fundamentally a referendum on the incumbent. And for all his accomplishments, Mr. Biden is presiding over a rough time. Inflation is still taking its bite out of people’s paychecks. The nation is still in a twitchy, sour mood post-pandemic. People are worried about crime and homelessness and the surge of migrants at the southern border. They are still dealing with the toll Covid took on their kids. And the broader mental health crisis. And the opioid scourge. And the two wars in which America is playing a supporting role. Of course a big chunk of the electorate sees the country as headed in the wrong direction.
When Americans are feeling pessimistic, the president gets blamed. The degree to which Mr. Biden’s policies have helped or hurt does not much matter, especially on the economy. He owns it. And here’s the thing: You can’t argue with voters’ feelings. Even if you win the debate on points, you’re not going to convince people that they or the nation is actually doing swell. Trying, in fact, often just makes you look like a condescending, out-of-touch jerk.

In such gloomy times, many voters start itching for change, for someone to come in and shake things up. This commonly means giving the out party a chance. Think Barack Obama in 2008, after eight enervating years of George W. and Dick Cheney.
This time, instead of a fresh face, the Republican Party looks poised to offer a familiar one. This has its downsides. Mr. Trump’s defects are excruciatingly well known — and ever more so as the multiple cases against him wend their way through the courts. But no one denies that he likes to shake things up. And just as Mr. Biden sold himself in 2020 as a break from the chaos of Trumpism, Mr. Trump can now position himself as the change candidate. To borrow a cliché from Mr. Biden, Americans won’t be comparing Mr. Trump to the Almighty but to the alternative. And for many voters, the alternative in 2024 is a Biden status quo they consider unpalatable.
It does not help Mr. Biden that he comes across as doddering and frail. This opens him up to one of Republicans’ favorite charges against Democrats: weakness. And political smears resonate more when they fit within an existing framework.

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At an even more basic level, Mr. Trump doesn’t have to promise positive change so much as the chance to stiff-arm the current leadership. Plenty of protest voters may not be looking to punish Mr. Biden for a particular action, or inaction, so much as for their inchoate disenchantment with the way things are. The economy should be better. Life should be better. The people in charge should be doing better.
Some protest voters will turn out to support anyone running against the object of their distaste. This is what plenty of people did with Mr. Trump in 2016 to express their lack of love for Hillary Clinton. Others, especially inconstant voters, may simply decide to sit out the race. If this happens disproportionately among groups who went for Mr. Biden in 2020, such as young and nonwhite voters, it works to Mr. Trump’s benefit. This is the low-turnout specter keeping Democrats up at night.
Then there is the nostalgia factor. Political nostalgia is a real and powerful thing. People are wired to romanticize the way things used to be and, by extension, the leaders at the time. Usually, voters dissatisfied with a president do not have the opening for such a direct do over. Rarely does a president who loses re-election attempt a comeback, and only one, Grover Cleveland, has ever done so successfully. But this election, rather than exchanging the incumbent for an unknown quantity, voters can choose to go back to a devil they know, who hails from a pre-Covid age of golden elevators and cheap mortgages.
Now factor in thermostatic voting, the fancy name for a kind of generic buyers’ remorse you see as voters frequently veer toward the opposite party from the one they backed in the previous election. Virginia, for instance, picks its governor the year after a presidential election, and its voters typically go with the candidate whose party did not win the White House. You also see this nationally in midterm elections, in which voters often punish the president’s team.
Mr. Trump has the added advantage of the economy having been humming before the pandemic upended his last year in office. Inflation was practically nonexistent. Unemployment was low. The nation wasn’t neck deep in scary, sticky wars. Sure, he was a supertoxic aspiring autocrat who tried to subvert democracy by overturning a free and fair election and who is now facing dozens of criminal charges, not to mention a civil suit for fraud. But if, come fall of 2024, he asks voters that most basic of political questions, “Weren’t you better off when I was president?” an awful lot may answer, “Hell, yeah.”
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Twelve months is several eternities in politics. And none of this is to downplay Mr. Trump’s glaring flaws — or his manifest unfitness for office. But there are some political fundamentals working in his favor that go beyond his specific pros and cons. Anyone who isn’t at least a little afraid isn’t paying attention.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/opinion/biden-trump-poll.html

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[hawkland14]

Approval ratings are almost never based on substance.

All of what he said is true.

The substance is voters think Biden is old and is not with it mentally. This isn’t MAGAs saying this. Prominent Democrats are finally saying it out loud and many more have been saying behind closed doors for months. You can say whatever you want to but poll after poll is showing this. Dems will only have themselves to blame if they nominate the only guy that Trump can beat and Trump pulls an inside straight with the EC. As a Republican this is even more infuriating knowing the Biden is a vulnerable incumbent and we have two good candidates lined up and we are going to select the one with 91 pending criminal charges.

In the end it won’t matter because voters won’t want other 4 years of the chaos Trump brings and will reluctantly vote for Biden. But boy o boy those last couple years of the Biden second term are gonna be something.

 

[lucas80]

Von Jones said it best last night. The voters dig strong and wrong over weak and right.

Trump is a pussy, that’s what’s weird about people who think he’s strong. It’s probably his racism and sexism they really like.

 

[lucas80]

If everything you said was true Biden wouldn’t be at a 37 percent approval rating. His rating has nothing to do with Trump or MAGA.

He whipped Trump in 2020. Not bad for a doddering old fool.
Vaguely worded polls a year from an election are about as meaningful as a non-conference win over Alabama State.
People piss and moan and cry because they always want the other thing. Actual head to head polls put Trump and Biden about where they were in 2020. Which is scary in that so many Americans are still in the Trump cult.

 

[hawkland14]

He whipped Trump in 2020. Not bad for a doddering old fool.
Vaguely worded polls a year from an election are about as meaningful as a non-conference win over Alabama State.
People piss and moan and cry because they always want the other thing. Actual head to head polls put Trump and Biden about where they were in 2020. Which is scary in that so many Americans are still in the Trump cult.

Congratulations on beating a reality tv show host who is a conman and a crook. I guess it’s something Hillary couldn’t do so that is something.

 

[artradley]

The substance is voters think Biden is old and is not with it mentally. This isn’t MAGAs saying this. Prominent Democrats are finally saying it out loud and many more have been saying behind closed doors for months. You can say whatever you want to but poll after poll is showing this. Dems will only have themselves to blame if they nominate the only guy that Trump can beat and Trump pulls an inside straight with the EC. As a Republican this is even more infuriating knowing the Biden is a vulnerable incumbent and we have two good candidates lined up and we are going to select the one with 91 pending criminal charges.

In the end it won’t matter because voters won’t want other 4 years of the chaos Trump brings and will reluctantly vote for Biden. But boy o boy those last couple years of the Biden second term are gonna be something.

In 2016 conservatives said Hillary was the single,worst possible candidate. In 2016 Biden was the single worst candidate. Whoever the Dems run, people like you will say they are the single worst candidate for some fatal flaw.

If Trump wins it will be because close to half the voters are friggin idiots.

 

[artradley]

Trump is a pussy, that’s what’s weird about people who think he’s strong. It’s probably his racism and sexism they really like.

People mistake bluster for strength, and thoughtfulness for weakness. It is a weakness of the American character.

 

[TC Nole OX]

Trump is a pussy, that’s what’s weird about people who think he’s strong. It’s probably his racism and sexism they really like.

Like the memes say - “TRUMP is a weak person’s idea of a strong man”

 

[TC Nole OX]

Like the memes say - “TRUMP is a weak person’s idea of a strong man”

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[tarheelbybirth]

I have never voted for Trump nor will I ever.

You will if you vote third party. You will if you refuse to vote. Not choosing is still a choice and it aids the candidate you hate/fear most. You can have your finger amputated or your entire arm. You're losing one or the other and not choosing means the arm. Choosing any other appendage means the arm. You have three choices and they're all going to hurt - the finger, the arm, or irrelevancy (which is choosing the arm).

Given that choice - which is it? Sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two perceived evils.

 

[lucas80]

Congratulations on beating a reality tv show host who is a conman and a crook. I guess it’s something Hillary couldn’t do so that is something.

Not sure what you want when so much of your party stands and cheers when Trump does one of his riffs about an old man like Paul Pelosi being beaten about the head by a lunatic.
Why is the violence so thrilling to you guys?

 

[hawkland14]

24 percent of Democrats think they are better off economically under Biden. Those dang evil Republicans are at it again making even Democrats believe the economy is not great right now.