When will we see Stoll back in a varsity match?
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Feb. 14th. He will propose to his sweetheart while pinning his opponent, thus setting up the double wedding with Spencer at the Gable statue.
I'm thinking Midlands again. He's 2 months plus ahead of last year's schedule and that would be about a year since surgery. Granted, this is a tear of the same ligament so there could be issues associated with that but I'm only guessing.
I'm not sure competing another season, considering the risk of doing permanent damage to his leg, would be in the best interest of Sammy, especially considering his size.
I don't think you'll see Stoll in a Hawkeye singlet again. I could see him shifting his focus to Greco full time to save his knees.
Revision surgery is much more complicated. They have to figure out why it failed. Possible reasons include weak surrounding ligaments, miss aligned tunnel (they drilled the hole in the wrong place), starilization method (irradiation seems to be more prone to failure), age (younger patient have a higher failure rate and he is young), and impact (like most first time tears).
No matter what reason, except maybe impact, the recovery rate after revision surgery is usually about twice as long as the original reconstruction surgery.
Not the best scenario. Costello really needs to put in a full summer against top quality kids. Should be in Iowa city with Bobby starting the day after graduation and three days a weak now.
I did not want to be the downer on the board, but reality is important. Does anyone have real information on the cause of his reconstruction failure?
No matter what reason, except maybe impact, the recovery rate after revision surgery is usually about twice as long as the original reconstruction surgery.
Not the best scenario. Costello really needs to put in a full summer against top quality kids. Should be in Iowa city with Bobby starting the day after graduation and three days a weak now.
I did not want to be the downer on the board, but reality is important. Does anyone have real information on the cause of his reconstruction failure?
Maybe they didn't get the % of graft done right the first time. Was his second time a complete tear? Would a cadaver tendon work better?
I'm going to side with actual doctors on this one. Especially those who have thoroughly examined and tested him.
Unless something changes, you're wrong.
Btw, if it is determined he can't go next year, they should be hitting the transfer circuit hard for a replacement.
In the case where Stoll would be out until a little after midlands, what are the hawks going to do at HWT? I don't think they should send Holloway back up there, if he can make 97 we gotta use him there. But, do we burn Costello's redshirt or what? Or what if Stoll is going to be out the entire year? What do you think the plan's going to be?
Let Stoll and his docs make the decision on if and when to wrestle again.
Assuming he gets a green light at some point, it wouldn't bother me to see Stoll take an extra year off, since next year looks like PSU will be the prohibitive favorite. Let him be there when Lee and Warner join the lineup.
Assuming he gets a green light at some point, it wouldn't bother me to see Stoll take an extra year off, since next year looks like PSU will be the prohibitive favorite. Let him be there when Lee and Warner join the lineup.
I don't have any inside info, and hope that I'm 100% wrong. The above was just a gut feeling that a HWT with 2 ACL tears isn't going to be very effective. Again, I hope I'm wrong, I love watching Stoll and think he'd be a high AA if healthy!
age (younger patient have a higher failure rate and he is young), and impact (like most first time tears).
can you expand please?
can you expand please?
I think you have to throw Costello out there. He can shirt another year when Stoll is back 100% healthy.
When you are younger your immune system is a little more aggressive and won't incorporate the cadavers tendon as well (sees it as something to fight off as much as something to heal in). I doubt he used his own tendon but if he did even those don't always fully heal and tear when you're young.
Brands made a comment when speaking at an event I attended a month or two back, and he made the comment that Stoll was having his injury dealt with the "right way" this time, insinuating that it was not done the right/best way the 1st time.....whatever that means??
I think Stoll should be back by Midlands again if they don't have any setbacks. I'm guessing that they went with a double bundle graft given Stoll's size and the failure of the first graft. It will also help with the rotational stability needed for a collegiate wrestler.
Just my opinion but Stoll is in good hands.
Just my opinion but Stoll is in good hands.
Well last time Stoll got hurt and then wrestled the Big Tens and ncaas so I assume "right way" means that the last time he tried to wrestle through for the team this time they held him out right away.
I like the sound of this double bundle graft. Hopefully keeps Stolls knee together so he can become a double AA in 2018 and 2019.
I agree with this because you also have to assume what if Stoll comes back and reinjures it for a 3rd time. Better to get Costello as much time early on as possible and look to redshirt if need another year. Besides its likely Iowa will over recruit a Schultz type elite kid down the road so Costello had better take the opening and try to run with it.
But that wont happen, Costello will keep shirted for really no reason and they will forfeit or throw a Bowman, Brantley type to the wolves until Stoll is back.
Yup. This is why I would be hoping for a transfer if Stoll won't be projected to go. Costello isn't ready.
I thought you said Stoll was coming back next season per doctors statement or something like that?
Huh? How the heck would I ever have been privy to discussions between Stoll and his doctors?
If double bundle is good, how about a triple bundle? A cord of three strands is not easily broken.
Screw it let's just put a kevlar in there. I would like to see Gwiz try to tear through that again!
Why not a bionic knee? They had that technology back in the 70's. 
I'm not sure how Stoll would even qualify to apply for a medical hardship waiver (which he must get since he already used his RS), let alone be granted one. Below is the criteria:
- NCAA Division I – An athlete must not have participated in more than three contests or 30 percent of their season schedule (whichever is greater) and not after the halfway point of the season (based on the number of contests rather than a particular date).
EDIT - nvm, I see you are citing that he will only have two years left. Yes, this is correct - if he sits out next season he can qualify for two more. Poor reading comprehension on my part, thought you were saying he would get one for this past season (2016-17). If he competes next year he will as JR eligibility.
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I have little doubt Stoll will wrestle again for Iowa and be effective. Cadaver is the worst option. Double bundle makes zero clinical difference. But hey I just stayed under a bridge last night ... wish it was a Holiday Inn.
I didn't have time to read all the previous post this morning, but with that said I talked to Sam on Friday night at Nationals. Both knee injuries that he sustained was the ligament tearing away from the bone. On neither occasion did the ligament tear in half. He said he feels far better this time after the surgery than he did the first time and can't wait to get back on the mat for the Hawkeyes.
Probably doesn't make any difference as to whether the ligament tear was near/at it's attachment to bone or whether it tore in the middle. Now if the ligament stayed intact and the bony attachment avulsed from the adjacent bone, that is a different story (better).
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Do they just put extra staples to re attach it or does anyone know exactly how its reattached stronger this time? Did Sam say anything about that?
He said they attached it in a different place the second time.
