When you won the game yet the officials say you didn't

[OnceAhawk]

How would you like to lose a game like this? Imagine if its an elite 8 game (or worse) and you thought you won but you didn't....

Boise State vents when game-winner waved off after hand-timed review
By Chip Patterson | Staff Writer
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...game-winner-waved-off-after-hand-timed-review

February 11, 2016 10:17 am ET

Boise State and Colorado State played a Mountain West thriller on Wednesday night, but the box score doesn't even come close to revealing how confusing and controversial theRams' 97-93 double overtime win was at the time.

"Time" is the operative word here, as the game's officials decided to wave off a potential game-winning shot from Boise State at the end of the first overtime because of a hand-timed review.

Allow me to set the scene: the game was tied 84-84 and Boise State had the ball out of bounds after a backcourt violation with 0.8 seconds remaining. Anthony Drmic inbounded the the ball to James Webb III, hitting the Broncos' star in stride as he spun around to heave a desperation 3-pointer at the buzzer. The slow-motion replay, provided by Matt Stephens, of the The Coloradoan, shows the ball leaving Webb's hands with 0.4 seconds left.

The officials hand-timed the review of the shot and waved off the bucket, sending the game to double-overtime. According to a statement from Dave Hall, one of the game's officials, the crew "followed protocol" with a stopwatch because the review showed that the game clock "was not started upon touch."

"We then used a stopwatch overlay from the monitor system to determine when he touched it and then figure out how many tenths of a second it took from the time he touched the ball until the time he released the ball and whether he was able to get that shot off in 0.8 seconds," Hall said in the statement.

The officials claim the play took "closer to 1.2 or 1.3 time frame." The controversial ending to the first overtime set the stage for a frustrating second overtime for the Broncos, which included a technical foul for Boise State coach Leon Rice with 1:09 left to play.

"I've never seen anything like it, I don't think we can just make up timing rules,” Boise State coach Leon Rice said after the game, via The Coloradoan. “Hopefully the (Mountain West) conference can explain it to me, because I guess I'm ignorant to what you can do and what you can't do. They don't hand time things in the Olympics anymore."

After the game, Boise State's Anthony Drmic took to Twitter to say that even CSU's players were telling him Boise State "got cheated" and to vent some frustration.

The game winning (or not) shot:

 

[hawkeye122671]

I saw that last night. What a total crock of crap that was. Boise got screwed royally.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Well that is the "human error" that can happen. If he caught it, turned his body around and then shot it, I would have to say that it probably did take more than .8 of a second. If he caught in stride over his shoulder and shot, then I could see it being close. But regardless all close plays are under review and if the clock didn't start w/first touch, then they have to use a stop watch to determine the amount of time.

Regardless this is the issue with "instant replay" or "review." I realize people want to get it right all of the time, but in this case they should of just said, "clock didn't start" on time and its your home court clock operator so take it out on them. I don't know what else to do, the protocol has the officials use a stopwatch and they followed the protocol to the book. Sucks to be Boise.

 

[Pepperman]

I don't see the problem with this. Isn't the goal of instant replay to "get it right" ? In this case they got the right call, didn't they?

 

[OnceAhawk]

I don't see the problem with this. Isn't the goal of instant replay to "get it right" ? In this case they got the right call, didn't they?

I think you are right. Remember in the ILLINI game when the clock stopped, they stopped play, determined 12 seconds (I think) had elapsed and adjusted the clock accordingly?

I do wonder what the official rule is, however. If the officials see that the clock stopped OR that it did not start on time, IN BOTH CASES, can they go to the monitor and make a ruling? I guess they can in that conference. I just wonder if its an NCAA rule?

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

They could've "Removed All Doubt" by winning in the 2nd OT......

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Here is the problem I have with this - what if the officials had started and stopped the clock at precisely the correct instant all throughout the game? How much time would be left then? Maybe the game would be over? How can you know?

Boise St, got screwed.

 

[oakhawk]

And how accurate were they with starting and stopping the stopwatch? Probably no more accurate than the game clock. And how accurate was the time on the stopwatch? It could be a second off.

 

[Packer54]

If that video is actually showing the inbounds pass then they got screwed. Horrible job out of the officials.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

I'm in the "they got it right" camp. I think it took him more than .8 seconds to get the shot off after first contact with the ball. That said, I didn't have a stopwatch or a live video; so I'm about as accurate as a sundial.

 

[El Simbolo]

Isn't software available that would automatically overlay a clock with the video? How hard would that be? Shouldn't need stop watched, unless the use of stop watches is to simulate the reaction time of the clock operator

 

[farfaraway]

So ball is clearly out of hand at .4. Yes? So at least .4 seconds of ball in his hand would have needed to expire before clock started for the shot to be too late. Yes? Looking several times at slo mo replay, stopping and starting it, looked more like maybe .2, not .4, but I don't use a stopwatch. My eye tells me Boise got shafted but maybe not. Regardless, something seems wrong when that play is so closely scrutinized when maybe a shot clock violation or a toe on the line for an inbounds pass or an in the paint violation in the first half wouldn't be looked at. I think we have become so obsessed with being correct, politically or technically or whatever, that we can be inhibited to the point of non- functioning.

 

[SWIowahawks]

Looking at the slow mo video, I think the ball was barely in his hand before the clock started. It certainly wasn't .4 seconds and definitely not the .8 or .9 seconds that officials came up with to make it a total of 1.2 or 1.3 seconds.

 

[DanL53]

If it had been Jim Bain and he was late to catch a plane there would have been no overtime.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Dan you are giving that despicable, dishonest, dastardly devil too much moral credit. He hated Olson and did us hard many times. His first game after "the game" he got us hard to tOSU. Including a play where Brutus threw away an inbounds pass directly out of bounds across court, after the whistle blew. Clear play, no Iowa player near the ball. Just walked across the court and gave it back to Brutus where it went OB. No player from either team was within five feet of the ball.

 

[RushProbst]

They screwed up. Can't link deadspin article.

Boise State lost the game in double overtime, after it appeared to have won it with Webb’s shot at the end of the first OT. Officials stated they believed Webb to have held the ball for 1.3 seconds, when only 0.8 remained on the clock for the inbounds play. We timed it ourselves by counting the frames on the broadcast feed, and came up with .57 seconds; by viewing the conference replay system feed, we see exactly why referees came up with 1.3: because the computer told them so.


In the above video, you see Webb touching the ball for 39 frames. That would be 1.3 seconds, if the broadcast were being produced at 30 frames per second—but the broadcast was being produced at 60, not 30 frames per second. That mismatch is what we believe led to the replay system’s on-screen “stopwatch” counting time at double-speed. If you’re still skeptical, watch the clock on the backboard next to the on-screen stopwatch: the stopwatch counts 0.6 seconds in the same time reality experienced just 0.3 seconds of elapsed

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

I was at game & know Dave Hall personally. Thought his reason was very thin but haven't timed the play either.