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National Interest is decent, but skews super heavy to military coverage.
I’d argue the Wall Street Journal does a good job covering conservative issues fairly as well.
Where’s my f’n $10k handout?!? I’m being discriminated against since I don’t have a school loan. Forgive my auto loan then!
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I’d argue the Wall Street Journal does a good job covering conservative issues fairly as well.
Our country is a right wing nightmare largely incapable of understanding anything other than neoliberal capitalism (the right wing Thatcher/Reagan world order). Our "centrists" are right wingers who are tolerant of non-whites and non-Christians. Our "leftists" are social democrats. The Democratic party has a handful of social democrats and progressives but it is dominated by "centrists."Center left of the country or you?
So much truth and so very, very, few even begin to grasp this. When I tell my many far right friends and family that Pelosi, for example, is center-right and that in any first world country (which the US is not) Bernie and AOC would be in the center, they become even more angry and lose their minds more than the usually do.
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I love that the people who are outraged by some 30 year old making $40K per year getting a $7,000 loan forgiven because that's the "Let's Go Brandon" talking point of the day are perfectly fine with ignoring Trump's six bankruptcies. The cognitive dissonance it takes to make that argument is breathtaking.
I paid off my student loans so long ago that this doesn't bother me in the least.
I think it was 2004, 10 years ahead of schedule. That was also the year I paid off my last car loan.
I think it was 2004, 10 years ahead of schedule. That was also the year I paid off my last car loan.
Be interesting to see how
might as well say “ how can anybody vote Democrat when they were pro slavery during the civil war”.
when will the United States actually raise taxes to pay for any of this shit is my question?
a real leader would raise revenue to pay. Doesn’t take a hero or a leader to max out the credit cards.
so nobody can be outraged about anything because of trump.
might as well say “ how can anybody vote Democrat when they were pro slavery during the civil war”.
when will the United States actually raise taxes to pay for any of this shit is my question?
a real leader would raise revenue to pay. Doesn’t take a hero or a leader to max out the credit cards.
Just go back to school. Take out a student loan and use the student loan. Drop classes to get refund and then use the student loan to pay your car loan.
No, I'm saying the current outrage itself is fake. If you evaluate the economic effect of this student loan forgiveness compared to corporate bailouts or tax cuts over the last 20 years, it's negligible.
I don't disagree with you that raising taxes to pay for things would be bad. I accept that I've spent most of my time in the workforce not paying my fair share. But those who only ever get up in arms about it when it's something proposed by a Democrat that primarily benefits lower income workers show how easily they're swayed by right wing talking points.
I have about 16k in loans from my masters degree and an aborted attempt at a phd. I haven’t paid a dime on the loans during the payment pause, but I have been putting those payments aside in savings. Well, savings is a jar in the yard because I’m a stupid liberal. Anyway, I have plenty to pay off what I’ll owe with the forgiveness with about 8k left over. I’m going to take that money and buy an EV. Thanks Biden.
I don’t feel the slightest bit bad about it. The entire platform of the right has been you don’t matter, the only thing that matters is me or people who think like me. So, this benefits me. The rest of you can suck it.
I don’t feel the slightest bit bad about it. The entire platform of the right has been you don’t matter, the only thing that matters is me or people who think like me. So, this benefits me. The rest of you can suck it.
I keep hearing rationalizations for this among beneficiaries that it’s fair because rich people have been getting away with tax murder since the dawn of the nation. Ok, great. Except, how is that relevant to the millions of people who aren’t rich, who pay real taxes and who worked hard to actually pay back their school loans?
What about your fellow liberals who actually paid off their school loans. Can they suck it too?
Depends on the problem. Leaky roof , spend the money to repair it. One example with a million more I could list. Think, you’re right money doesn’t solve every issue but it can make a positive difference
Should be a great economic stimulus. Hopefully, needed items like Washer/dryers, refrigerators, etc., but even new cars and boats stimulate the economy..... right?
Apply your example on the macro level.
Paying a roofer to fix the leaky roof solves your leaky roof problem today. But, what if your builder did a poor job originally to your home and every other house they built? How does you throwing money at the new roofer solve the root cause? What if your roofer patches the hole but does a crappy job and next year you develop a new leak?
Throwing money at the lagging indicator vs the leading indicator is never wise.
life isn't fair and in a contry of 330 million sometimes you're gonna get the shaft. And that's OK
yes.
Why does every program need to help everyone? are you 7?
Do you have kids? I don't why do i have to pay for their school?
Ever called the fire department? I haven't. Why do i have to pay cause you start fires?
Congratulations,... That's the way to do it. More people need to take this approach.
Doubt we'll be reimbursing their loan payments, though I wouldn't oppose something like that in the form of a deduction or a higher standard deduction for a period of time. But more importantly we should make college free for their kids and stop making everything a needless competition for "privileges" like education that could be easily made available to everyone who wants it if we decide to rethink some of our insane priorities and ideological obsessions. And the lazy sorting of the employable from the unemployable by completion of a 4 year degree is one of those insanities. Be nice if in our collective consciousness college was more about education for its own sake and not so much about economic class stratification, but we live in a fairly mentally ill society that values almost nothing more than making money. Current system is a great way to perpetuate that.
Conservatives love to bitch about the college kid living in the luxury apartment driving a newer vehicle. That kid's parents are footing that bill. People who are borrowing to go to school are generally living in shitty apartments and selling their blood plasma for beer money. No they are not saints. No they don't deserve better lives than people who don't go to college. They also shouldn't have had to borrow money to attend college in the first place just because their parents weren't wealthy and our dumbass society thinks only poor people who do exceptionally well on tests should be allowed a good public post secondary education.
You might as well sit these threads out if this is the best you've got.
Should I post this the next time you complain about something conservative that you don’t like? 😂
I never said every program had to. I just wanted to see someone supporting this plan admit that it steps on millions of people who think like them politically and sit in a similar financial boat. Nice job. 👍🏻
This coming from the guy who claimed college degrees are almost required to find a good job. 😂
They were until very recently. And not even a good job, just a job with friggin
health insurance. You had to be close to a Boomer with a Rolodex to get anywhere in most trades. You mentioned the other day your railroad is hiring. They haven't always been. Had a cousin get to get on with a local railroad and got through all the training before they had mass layoffs. That was about 5 years ago. That was after he went through several layoffs and rehiring at Deere as a welder (a certified underwater welder at that). He couldn't get steady work welding or working for the railroad, at least not in Iowa, so he started driving a truck and being away from home several nights a week. Maybe welders are hiring now, but it was a very unsteady earning when my cousin decided to pursue it after getting home from Iraq. And the railroads weren't any help then either.
It's just a myth that millennials would be near retirement by now if they didn't think they were too good for blue collar work. They were told blue collar work was drying up.
Don't know who advised Joe on this one but this was a big mistake - really stupid. It begs the question: "What the he'll were you thinking, Joe?" In addition to being inherently unfair, it was also a horrendous political blunder. Finally the Dems had something to run on in the upcoming mid-terms with the numerous legislative accomplishments of the past few months, and then this fiasco. What a gift-wrapped issue to give the Republicans!
The only goddamn thing I remember from college is how to correctly use "begs the question" and it doesn't win you any friends when you correct people on it and the "begs the question" abuse problem only seems to get worse every year
Yep. Don’t care. Groups all over the country have been getting handouts for years. Cry my a river that I’m getting one now.
The EO will very likely be challenged in court, may result in an injunction disallowing the EO, but Biden will still get credit for following through with a campaign promise. Not a terrible political outcome on that front. The root causes of student loan debt still need to be addressed though ( "Cost of attendance" and interest rates). Failure to address those means this is just a bandaid.
Where is your hurricane relief? You didn't get hit by a hurricane but you're still being discriminated against!
I'm not being a dick here, (I wouldn't mind listening to intelligent people discussing issues important to conservatives with facts and a good analysis).
But, the answer must be, the audience is too small today. Too many conservatives that are MAGA or simply want to trash the Dems.
But, looking to the MSM is hopeless. They are just in the entertainment business.
As has been mentioned many times, including in this thread, a bunch of the increased cost of college attendance is at the feet of lawmakers who are making a conscious decision to shift the cost of college from taxpayers to students. States, especially right wing states, are cutting public university and community college funding, or at least making increases at less than inflation.
I mean, I didn't think it was fair when Trump gave farmers tons of handouts and bailouts during the tariff war that he started but I didn't bitch near this much.
No question higher education support from states has dwindled in many areas. The federal government has (unintentionally?) encouraged this budgeting behavior by continuing to fund loans for whatever CoA is. The states say, why the hell should we give more money because that will only push colleges to spend more and increase CoA.
Taxpayers have simply chosen not to participate in the collegiate amenities arms race...
Amusing story. Unfortunately I have a kid who goes to school at ISU. So I became a member of some parent fb page that my wife told me to join for amusement back when he was a freshman. Some idiot was ranting and raving hitting all the talking points yesterday,"I paid my own loans, I worked # jobs to get through school, f biden's handout, blah blah". Someone shared an old post of same idiot complaining about all the PLUS loans he's taken for his kid to go to school with an uh, ya realize you're benefitting from this and getting 10k waived hasn't posted since.
hasn't posted since.
Your entire post is BS. Everyone is paying for this white liberal handout through higher taxes and higher inflation. If you don't understand that than you are even dumber than I thought you were and trust me, that was a high hill to climb.
