Where are all the clone fans complaining about SOS?

[HerkyFan]

A day wouldn't go by without isu fan losing it over Iowa's SOS according to Sagarin during the football season. Now that basketball rolls around why aren't they telling us all about the weak SOS of isu?

Funny how that works every year. It must only matter in football. Clone fans will tell us when it matters and right now Sagarin doesn't matter.

 

[StormHawk42]

Probably because they beat us. But who really cares?

 

[HerkyFan]

You are right I have said SOS is meaningless and yet clone can still clings to it.

Based on the Bowl outcomes SOS was a myth yet again. Probably won't ever stop clone fan though as SOS is all they have.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

According to RPIforecast.com Iowa State's SOS is currently ranked 29th and is projected to be 6th by the end of the season (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Iowa St..html).

In their out of conference schedule they played Colorado, Chattanooga, Iowa, Northern Iowa, and Cincinnati who are all in the RPI top 100. Additionally, they also played Virginia Tech, Illinois, and North Dakota State who are all solid teams.

In summary, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at. Iowa State's schedule is not weak. Moreover, SOS is more important in football when you are discussing a scenario where only 4 teams get to play for the championship and you're basing the decision off of a 12 or 13 game schedule. In basketball, over the course of a 30+ game schedule and a 68 team tournament, these arguments will normally sort themselves out.

 

[gablefan73]

Can you guys with the clown obsession discuss it on their board?

 

[HerkyFan]

According to RPIforecast.com Iowa State's SOS is currently ranked 29th and is projected to be 6th by the end of the season (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Iowa St..html).

In their out of conference schedule they played Colorado, Chattanooga, Iowa, Northern Iowa, and Cincinnati who are all in the RPI top 100. Additionally, they also played Virginia Tech, Illinois, and North Dakota State who are all solid teams.

In summary, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at. Iowa State's schedule is not weak. Moreover, SOS is more important in football when you are discussing a scenario where only 4 teams get to play for the championship and you're basing the decision off of a 12 or 13 game schedule. In basketball, over the course of a 30+ game schedule and a 68 team tournament, these arguments will normally sort themselves out.

Go look at isu fans' favorite Sagarin. Or is Sagarin only to be used for football?

 

[relishingwinning18]

According to RPIforecast.com Iowa State's SOS is currently ranked 29th and is projected to be 6th by the end of the season (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Iowa St..html).

In their out of conference schedule they played Colorado, Chattanooga, Iowa, Northern Iowa, and Cincinnati who are all in the RPI top 100. Additionally, they also played Virginia Tech, Illinois, and North Dakota State who are all solid teams.

In summary, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at. Iowa State's schedule is not weak. Moreover, SOS is more important in football when you are discussing a scenario where only 4 teams get to play for the championship and you're basing the decision off of a 12 or 13 game schedule. In basketball, over the course of a 30+ game schedule and a 68 team tournament, these arguments will normally sort themselves out.

Agree, their out of conference schedule was weak compared to other teams in the top 25, but their conference schedule will make up for it.

 

[iowaguy88]

Can you guys with the clown obsession discuss it on their board?

All fairness to the OP there is almost no clown obsession on here compared with their board. Every thread or discussion somehow comes back to Iowa. It's pretty sad.

 

[Herkster5]

All fairness to the OP there is almost no clown obsession on here compared with their board. Every thread or discussion somehow comes back to Iowa. It's pretty sad.

And the OP is the only one that has a complex...and it's an ISU complex. Seriously, every post he makes is trashing ISU. You'd think an adult, or we'd assume he is an adult, would be able to function normally, not be obsessive, or childish over a sporting event that is played by 18-23 year olds. But noooo, not this guy. He is the Iowa Clown.

 

[KeyWest Tim]

They ought to be complaining about dropping a game they should have won v. Oklahoma last week.

 

[Kinky F]

According to RPIforecast.com Iowa State's SOS is currently ranked 29th and is projected to be 6th by the end of the season (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Iowa St..html).

In their out of conference schedule they played Colorado, Chattanooga, Iowa, Northern Iowa, and Cincinnati who are all in the RPI top 100. Additionally, they also played Virginia Tech, Illinois, and North Dakota State who are all solid teams.

In summary, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at. Iowa State's schedule is not weak. Moreover, SOS is more important in football when you are discussing a scenario where only 4 teams get to play for the championship and you're basing the decision off of a 12 or 13 game schedule. In basketball, over the course of a 30+ game schedule and a 68 team tournament, these arguments will normally sort themselves out.

ISU also plays at ranked Texas A&M later this month. They've beaten every out of conference Power 5 team they've played - ranked Iowa and Cincy - and Illinois and Va Tech. Can't help it Illinois and Tech are down this year, but Tech did just beat 5th ranked Virginia last night.

Can't argue that is a weak OOC schedule.

 

[CyCity]

Iowa State is #29 in SOS now out of 350 teams plus that will only continue to improve as they play KU/OU 4 times and still have to play at Texas A&M. ISU has a real strong SOS right now just like Iowa does. ISU's will end up being better though because of who they haven't played yet

 

[L. Wade Childress]

a one point loss at Hilton basically means you are a better team than ISU.

 

[HerkyFan]

Iowa State is #29 in SOS now out of 350 teams plus that will only continue to improve as they play KU/OU 4 times and still have to play at Texas A&M. ISU has a real strong SOS right now just like Iowa does. ISU's will end up being better though because of who they haven't played yet

Why does Sagarin say 62? Or must we ignore Sagarin now? It was all clone fans wanted to talk about during football season so why no outrage over isu being at 62? Also note that Iowa's football SOS was 52. isu fans pick and choose when Sagarin and SOS is to be used.

Why is that?

 

[CyCity]

Why does Sagarin say 62? Or must we ignore Sagarin now? It was all clone fans wanted to talk about during football season so why no outrage over isu being at 62? Also note that Iowa's football SOS was 52. isu fans pick and choose when Sagarin and SOS is to be used.

Why is that?

Is there a RPI for football SOS? I don't really use Sagarin for either sport but it is the only SOS thing I know of for football.

 

[HerkyFan]

Is there a RPI for football SOS? I don't really use Sagarin for either sport but it is the only SOS thing I know of for football.

There are other SOS calculations for football but clone fans only wanted to talk about Sagarin. Now that basketball is half-way over they don't want anything to do with Sagarin.

Like I said, clone fans will tout Sagarin only when it fits one of their piss poor arguments. If it doesn't it then must be ignored. In fact isu fans get down right pissy when anything is brought up they don't like.

I better watch it though as Pollard will probably attack me via Twitter if I don't.

 

[CyCity]

There are other SOS calculations for football but clone fans only wanted to talk about Sagarin. Now that basketball is half-way over they don't want anything to do with Sagarin.

Like I said, clone fans will tout Sagarin only when it fits one of their piss poor arguments. If it doesn't it then must be ignored. In fact isu fans get down right pissy when anything is brought up they don't like.

I better watch it though as Pollard will probably attack me via Twitter if I don't.

Even if you use Sagarin ISU will end up with a good SOS at season's end. They still have 6 games remaining against top 20 teams in the Sagarin ratings.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

Why does Sagarin say 62? Or must we ignore Sagarin now? It was all clone fans wanted to talk about during football season so why no outrage over isu being at 62? Also note that Iowa's football SOS was 52. isu fans pick and choose when Sagarin and SOS is to be used.

Why is that?

You're really reaching here.

First of all, if we say Iowa State's SOS is 62, that still means they are in the 82nd percentile of college basketball. However, with a SOS of 52 in college football, Iowa would be in approximately the 57th percentile of college football.

Secondly, Iowa's SOS includes the postseason. I believe Iowa's SOS was closer to 65-70 when the season ended, which would put its schedule below average. That would be the equivalent of a SOS of 180-200 in basketball.

Finally, as I had mentioned before, the SOS argument is much more important in football when only 4 teams get to play for the championship and the participants are judged on just 12 or 13 games. If we were to try to do the same with college basketball, that basically means we would have to decide who are the top 4 teams at this point in the season. Right now there are only two undefeated teams; SMU and South Carolina. SMU's SOS is 196 in the Sagarin ratings, and South Carolina's is 250. Therefore, SMU is roughly the equivalent of what Iowa football was at season's end. One can imagine the outrage many would have if SMU was allowed to play for the championship while a team like North Carolina, Virginia, or Michigan State were left on the outside looking in.

 

[HerkyFan]

You're really reaching here.

First of all, if we say Iowa State's SOS is 62, that still means they are in the 82nd percentile of college basketball. However, with a SOS of 52 in college football, Iowa would be in approximately the 57th percentile of college football.

Secondly, Iowa's SOS includes the postseason. I believe Iowa's SOS was closer to 65-70 when the season ended, which would put its schedule below average. That would be the equivalent of a SOS of 180-200 in basketball.

Finally, as I had mentioned before, the SOS argument is much more important in football when only 4 teams get to play for the championship and the participants are judged on just 12 or 13 games. If we were to try to do the same with college basketball, that basically means we would have to decide who are the top 4 teams at this point in the season. Right now there are only two undefeated teams; SMU and South Carolina. SMU's SOS is 196 in the Sagarin ratings, and South Carolina's is 250. Therefore, SMU is roughly the equivalent of what Iowa football was at season's end. One can imagine the outrage many would have if SMU was allowed to play for the championship while a team like North Carolina, Virginia, or Michigan State were left on the outside looking in.

Before the post season Iowa was #6 despite the schedule and deservedly so. Clone fans love to say it was only a result of schedule but that is BS and they know it. Had isu played Iowa's schedule they would have been lucky to go 2-10.

If SOS was an indicator of the quality of a team then teams with higher SOS would win almost all the time in post season. When in fact the opposite occurs more often than not.

Same thing with MBB. isu fan will tout SOS and how tough the Texas Ten is and then when the tourney rolls around the Texas Ten will get slapped around for what the 5th year in a row?

 

[HerkyFan]

Even if you use Sagarin ISU will end up with a good SOS at season's end. They still have 6 games remaining against top 20 teams in the Sagarin ratings.

isu also has games with teams well below the top 20 and the games they already played against teams without a pulse will continue to weigh them down as well.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

Before the post season Iowa was #6 despite the schedule and deservedly so.

6th in what?

If SOS was an indicator of the quality of a team then teams with higher SOS would win almost all the time in post season. When in fact the opposite occurs more often than not.

What are you even trying to say here? Nobody argues that SOS alone is any indication of how good a team is since everyone seems to get hung up on the fact that in addition to playing quality teams, you actually have to win some games too.

Please just stop. I don't want to have to keep defending Iowa State fans.

 

[CyCity]

isu also has games with teams well below the top 20 and the games they already played against teams without a pulse will continue to weigh them down as well.

You don't think ISU's Sagarin SOS will improve? 14 out of the 18 remaning games for ISU are against are top 50 Sagarin teams. Iowa has 8 if you'd like to compare

 

[HerkyFan]

6th in what?



What are you even trying to say here? Nobody argues that SOS alone is any indication of how good a team is since everyone seems to get hung up on the fact that in addition to playing quality teams, you actually have to win some games too.

Please just stop. I don't want to have to keep defending Iowa State fans.

#6 in the CFP poll/rankings.

isu fans argue all the time the only reason they suck is because they have a hard schedule. The fact remains that SOS has no impact at all as to how good a team is or isn't. If it was then the post season results would be very different. Not just this year but for the past 4 plus years.

 

[mtdew_fever]

In regards to the MBB scheduling, I don't see anything wrong with how Iowa State scheduled. They had a number of teams that will be in the NCAA tourney, several in the 100-150 RPI range and then 3 absolutely terrible teams.

Iowa's scheduling did much the same.

The only real difference is that the holiday tournament Iowa competed in was much more difficult (Dayton, Notre Dame, Wichita St), where as Iowa St had Virginia Tech and Illinois.

 

[HerkyFan]

You don't think ISU's Sagarin SOS will improve? 14 out of the 18 remaning games for ISU are against are top 50 Sagarin teams. Iowa has 8 if you'd like to compare

You are assuming the rankings won't change between now and the end of the season. I don't subscribe to that notion. MSU was ranked #1 in the polls and by Sagarin until Iowa beat them and guess what they fell.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

#6 in the CFP poll/rankings.

isu fans argue all the time the only reason they suck is because they have a hard schedule. The fact remains that SOS has no impact at all as to how good a team is or isn't. If it was then the post season results would be very different. Not just this year but for the past 4 plus years.

Iowa was #5 in the CFP rankings at the end of the season, and that has little to do with the Sagarin ratings.

SOS is valuable in evaluating a team only after you look at who they've beat and who they've lost to; nobody is suggesting that you should only look to SOS as that would be senseless if a team didn't beat anyone.

 

[iowaguy88]

Even if you use Sagarin ISU will end up with a good SOS at season's end. They still have 6 games remaining against top 20 teams in the Sagarin ratings.

Hey CyTwins, it won't end up being 6 teams. Turns out Cinci sucks and the only ranked team you've beaten is Iowa - and you needed to come from behind by 20 points on your home floor to do so.
Iowa has beaten two top 15 teams already this year. have the best player in the state, and as of right now looks poised to make a deeper run AGAIN in the tourney than ISU. B12 teams never fair well in March, all of this talk now is just fodder until March rolls around and everyone realizes once again that the B12 just isn't that good.

 

[WildTurk]

Since so many Clone fans are here, quick question. Is Niang black or white? Mixed race parents? Just curious

 

[HerkyFan]

Iowa was #5 in the CFP rankings at the end of the season, and that has little to do with the Sagarin ratings.

SOS is valuable in evaluating a team only after you look at who they've beat and who they've lost to; nobody is suggesting that you should only look to SOS as that would be senseless if a team didn't beat anyone.

Yet SOS is the argument put forth by isu fan as to why they suck. That is the whole point of the thread. I have never said isu fans are logical. Does that stop them from repeating the same myth year after year? Nope.

 

[HerkyFan]

Hey CyTwins, it won't end up being 6 teams. Turns out Cinci sucks and the only ranked team you've beaten is Iowa - and you needed to come from behind by 20 points on your home floor to do so.
Iowa has beaten two top 15 teams already this year. have the best player in the state, and as of right now looks poised to make a deeper run AGAIN in the tourney than ISU. B12 teams never fair well in March, all of this talk now is just fodder until March rolls around and everyone realizes once again that the B12 just isn't that good.

Winner, winner chicken dinner.

 

[CyCity]

Hey CyTwins, it won't end up being 6 teams. Turns out Cinci sucks and the only ranked team you've beaten is Iowa - and you needed to come from behind by 20 points on your home floor to do so.
Iowa has beaten two top 15 teams already this year. have the best player in the state, and as of right now looks poised to make a deeper run AGAIN in the tourney than ISU. B12 teams never fair well in March, all of this talk now is just fodder until March rolls around and everyone realizes once again that the B12 just isn't that good.

I don't know who that is and that's the second time you've said that. All I'm saying is ISU will have a strong SOS at the end of the season and it will most likely end up with 6 teams left on the schedule in the top 20 of Sagarin. Kansas and Oklahoma are 3 right there and those are locks, West Virginia is a safe bet to stay in the top 20 so that's 5 and then who knows about Texas A&M.

 

[CyCity]

Since so many Clone fans are here, quick question. Is Niang black or white? Mixed race parents? Just curious

Mixed

 

[iowaguy88]

I don't know who that is and that's the second time you've said that. All I'm saying is ISU will have a strong SOS at the end of the season and it will most likely end up with 6 teams left on the schedule in the top 20 of Sagarin. Kansas and Oklahoma are 3 right there and those are locks, West Virginia is a safe bet to stay in the top 20 so that's 5 and then who knows about Texas A&M.

That's the thing, teams like West Virginia, Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, KSU aren't top 25 teams but because of some bogus rankings either none of their losses look bad or they get a bunch of 'top 25 wins' - even though they're not deserving. B12 will get exposed this year in March as they always are. I'm just not sure why they continually get ranked, it's kind of like ESPN's SEC bias in football because of their relationship. ESPN has that relationship with B12 for basketball.

 

[CyCity]

That's the thing, teams like West Virginia, Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, KSU aren't top 25 teams but because of some bogus rankings either none of their losses look bad or they get a bunch of 'top 25 wins' - even though they're not deserving. B12 will get exposed this year in March as they always are. I'm just not sure why they continually get ranked, it's kind of like ESPN's SEC bias in football because of their relationship. ESPN has that relationship with B12 for basketball.

What bogus rankings are you talking about? KenPom has West Virginia ahead of Iowa and Iowa State right now. I think they are a legit top 25 team. Baylor will be a borderline top 25 team all year, Texas will probably be on the wrong side of the bubble without Ridley and Tech and KSU are not very good this year. Tech is improved but they have a long ways to go and don't see them as an NCAA tournament team.

 

[IACentralHawk73]

Why are we arguing about this, who cares, look how much better we've gotten since ISU, I live in Central Iowa and have enough delusional Cyclone fans as it is (Not saying any of you Cyclone guys on here are delusional, some of you actually know your stuff), but still, the past is the past, and the ISU loss may be the best thing to happen to this team.

 

[Legend12]

There are other SOS calculations for football but clone fans only wanted to talk about Sagarin. Now that basketball is half-way over they don't want anything to do with Sagarin.

Like I said, clone fans will tout Sagarin only when it fits one of their piss poor arguments. If it doesn't it then must be ignored. In fact isu fans get down right pissy when anything is brought up they don't like.

I better watch it though as Pollard will probably attack me via Twitter if I don't.

I hope ISIS attacks you every time you post on this board.

 

[Floyd7702]

Some of these post are just stupid. Iowa beat a really good Michigan State team at home without Valentine that makes them average. They beat Oakland in OT and limped by a terrible Minny team! You came from behind 17 at Purdue, good win on the road. Niang and Uthoff are both great players, enjoy them because neither will be here next year. Iowa is poised to make a deeper run AGAIN!? LMAO!! They have won ONE tourney game in 15 years, if a deep run is the round of 32 then you got us good last year

 

[Ronman]

Please don't start posts about the Clones on this board. It is such a nicer place when they aren't voicing their opinions

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Nobody said Miami (Fl) was an average football team 25-30 years ago because they played in the Big East. I agree with the poster who emphasized SOS statistics are more relevant to football. Regardless, there are so many variables that don't get factored into the SOS debate--like a team's progress throughout the course of the season. As far as I'm concerned, the Stanford team that played Northwestern Week 1 is not the same team that trounced Iowa in the Rose Bowl. Additionally, and I'm sure I'll get raked over the coals for this, Nebraska is a much better team than their record would have indicated, and sans a few bad bounces throughout Nebraska's season, that Iowa win over Nebraska in Lincoln would have looked much different.

In regard to basketball, both Iowa and Iowa State had a decent non-conference schedule. And the only relevance of that will be the immeasurable value of how it will help prepare them for the teams they will face in March. Beyond that, it means nothing.

To the OP's original point: arbitrary citing or referencing of statistical data to impugn the accomplishments of the rival school is usually reserved for sports fans with self-esteem issues because of their own team's inadequacies. Sigmund Freud's theory on penis envy also comes to mind.

 

[HerkyFan]

Nobody said Miami (Fl) was an average football team 25-30 years ago because they played in the Big East. I agree with the poster who emphasized SOS statistics are more relevant to football. Regardless, there are so many variables that don't get factored into the SOS debate--like a team's progress throughout the course of the season. As far as I'm concerned, the Stanford team that played Northwestern Week 1 is not the same team that trounced Iowa in the Rose Bowl. Additionally, and I'm sure I'll get raked over the coals for this, Nebraska is a much better team than their record would have indicated, and sans a few bad bounces throughout Nebraska's season, that Iowa win over Nebraska in Lincoln would have looked much different.

In regard to basketball, both Iowa and Iowa State had a decent non-conference schedule. And the only relevance of that will be the immeasurable value of how it will help prepare them for the teams they will face in March. Beyond that, it means nothing.

To the OP's original point: arbitrary citing or referencing of statistical data to impugn the accomplishments of the rival school is usually reserved for sports fans with self-esteem issues because of their own team's inadequacies. Sigmund Freud's theory on penis envy also comes to mind.

Freud would have had a field day with Jamie Pollard. But then of course Jamie would have attacked him via Twitter.