Where Does Max Duggan Stand?
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I’m sorry but this is a horrible plan.
How do you garuntee two 2020 high end recruits come to Iowa when you couldn’t get Duggan?
The plan on when you only get Duggan relys on either Mansell or Duggan being the QB after Stanley. Seems likely that one of them could be good for Iowa, but it’s a huge risk to rely on just Mansell and a RsFr to lead your entire offense. The 5’6’’ lightning guy is just silly. Weren’t you the one who said the staff relys on too much coaching? How is this any different? You think even if they do hit on one amazing returner any team will punt to him instead of avoid him at all cost? You basically just money balled yourself to a scholarship sitting with someone, who’s entirely too easy to gameplay against and barely sees the field; at the cost of a guy who could make an impact every snap the offense takes.
The final plan where both say no, I assume you meant 2020 class. At that point you have three new QBs in the system, we’ve seen players not see the field by not knowing the system at far easier positions to learn. So you’re basically relying on Mansell, an even bigger risk than before.
The alternative is you keep evaluations QBs you realize there’s a lot of talent at the position and missing your top target doesn’t mean you’re doomed to get a bad recruit. You develop the position, and don’t let it end up in a situation where you’re relying on freshmen. Think DL during the 2012(?) season, or WR in the 2016-2017 season if you want to know how well relying solely on freshmen has worked for Iowa in the recent past.
You're entire debate is relying on targeting two QBs in the next two classes, if they say no you don't go after anyone else.
I don't know why you said "Having a true freshman in the pipeline changes this?". Taking a QB every year means you end up with Mansell Jr, 18' So, 19' RsFr. With your plan if you skip on an 18' or 19' recruit you end up with TrFr. I'm saying having another So/RsFr is a good idea because they've had time in the system to learn the offense and compete for the position and yes that does increase the odds of having a good QB.
The points on 5'6" guy I'm going to skip, I don't really see why a QB scholarship prevents you from getting that guy if you're right, it doesn't seem worth it taking the QB scholarship away if I'm right. We can skip this point as it's irrelevant anyway. It's better for you to just say get another good player, which I would assume you would do with a scholarship anyway (whom it is really doesn't matter).
When you say there's risk involved it doesn't really secure your position. It gives the point to me in that you're admitting that if two kids decide not to go to Iowa this plan is horrible. I don't know if you've paid attention to Iowa recruiting, but Iowa has gotten a lot of noes in the past. This is really the biggest point you need to address. It's not unrealistic to think both are going to say no, and you're entire backup plan is massive risk.
Maybe you're right in that one QB not coming to Iowa isn't going to derail the program, I don't understand why it needs to be the QB position instead of maybe DE, or TE where we seem stacked. Especially when QB can define a program.
If we're being totally honest about the DL and WR position it was more to do with who was coaching/attrition at those positions less to do with talent level (minus a couple misses). The point I was trying to make is adding a freshman to the position hasn't made it all better. It took time for the DL to get there, just like it's going to take time for WR. Which is why if your backup plan to two kids saying no, is going out and getting freshman to play for you I'm against the plan.
I don't know why you said "Having a true freshman in the pipeline changes this?". Taking a QB every year means you end up with Mansell Jr, 18' So, 19' RsFr. With your plan if you skip on an 18' or 19' recruit you end up with TrFr. I'm saying having another So/RsFr is a good idea because they've had time in the system to learn the offense and compete for the position and yes that does increase the odds of having a good QB.
The points on 5'6" guy I'm going to skip, I don't really see why a QB scholarship prevents you from getting that guy if you're right, it doesn't seem worth it taking the QB scholarship away if I'm right. We can skip this point as it's irrelevant anyway. It's better for you to just say get another good player, which I would assume you would do with a scholarship anyway (whom it is really doesn't matter).
When you say there's risk involved it doesn't really secure your position. It gives the point to me in that you're admitting that if two kids decide not to go to Iowa this plan is horrible. I don't know if you've paid attention to Iowa recruiting, but Iowa has gotten a lot of noes in the past. This is really the biggest point you need to address. It's not unrealistic to think both are going to say no, and you're entire backup plan is massive risk.
Maybe you're right in that one QB not coming to Iowa isn't going to derail the program, I don't understand why it needs to be the QB position instead of maybe DE, or TE where we seem stacked. Especially when QB can define a program.
If we're being totally honest about the DL and WR position it was more to do with who was coaching/attrition at those positions less to do with talent level (minus a couple misses). The point I was trying to make is adding a freshman to the position hasn't made it all better. It took time for the DL to get there, just like it's going to take time for WR. Which is why if your backup plan to two kids saying no, is going out and getting freshman to play for you I'm against the plan.
The answer to "why the qb position" as the skip: I feel better about our QB situation over the next 4-5 years than any other position group on the feild so I would be willing to take the risk there. Again if we were to get skunked 2 years in a row at the QB position and couldn't land a big fish in the 2020 class there is always a juco. The new signing period might filter a QB that thought he was going somewhere to us, and work out, but at this point we are hunting for scraps for what will most likely be a career backup out of the 2018 class. Where as you mentioned there may still be a best available contributor on the market. Imo that ship would be better used elsewhere than getting an Eric Graham at qb. You also are not accounting for "playing time" becoming a factor if we could show a QB recruit a spot for them. To each thier own. Some hold on 16 some hit. You like a qb in every class I think skipping QB every 5-6 would open other options. Sall good.
Let's be honest. If the staff could find a GD punter that was worth a piss as a walk on you and I could have both of our "wants." That's probably the easiest way through this.
Btw. Saying there is risk is not saying it's a horrible plan. With the level of recruit we are now looking at bringing in at qb for 18 would you rather have had the Juco that just went to MN? IN other words If they wiff twice (they should get kicked in the nutts) and then thier would be immediate space for a Juco. Doesn't get any easier than selling PT to a Juco.
I could say that you're relying on too much on putting eggs in one/two baskets, vs taking control of the situation as best you can. In the end though I'm really done debating the position, it's just a rehash of ideas being presented, and could go on forever. You've presented your point, I've made mine. We can let others decide which way they feel is best, and agree that we're not going to see eye to eye on this one.
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I totally read that in a Peter Griffin voice...... thus I will respond,
BACKSCRATCHER!
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Sooooo, the Hawks have absolutely no shot at Duggan now, do they?
"Here’s the deal: At any point during that process, Iowa State would have been giddy about taking a commitment from Duggan. In fact, my guess is that they still would be today. He is that good of a player (hence why any program with a pulse has offered him at this point).
But I’m told that Matt Campbell fell in love with Dean – a stout 6-foot-6 prospect – the first time he laid eyes on him. This was a situation where Iowa State truly believes that Dean is going to absolutely blow up over the summer. Iowa State generally doesn’t land top prospects without “getting in on them” incredibly early. After visiting last weekend, Dean was ready to commit. Duggan clearly is not.
Do you risk your spot with Dean – a guy you LOVE – on a guy who could end up going to Ohio State or Penn State in three months?"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/02/...n-run-of-quarterback-additions-at-iowa-state/
It makes me so sad that Chris doesn't feel Iowa should even be mentioned in the same article as blue bloods like OSU, PSU and ISU.
"Here’s the deal: At any point during that process, Iowa State would have been giddy about taking a commitment from Duggan. In fact, my guess is that they still would be today. He is that good of a player (hence why any program with a pulse has offered him at this point).
But I’m told that Matt Campbell fell in love with Dean – a stout 6-foot-6 prospect – the first time he laid eyes on him. This was a situation where Iowa State truly believes that Dean is going to absolutely blow up over the summer. Iowa State generally doesn’t land top prospects without “getting in on them” incredibly early. After visiting last weekend, Dean was ready to commit. Duggan clearly is not.
Do you risk your spot with Dean – a guy you LOVE – on a guy who could end up going to Ohio State or Penn State in three months?"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/02/...n-run-of-quarterback-additions-at-iowa-state/
It makes me so sad that Chris doesn't feel Iowa should even be mentioned in the same article as blue bloods like OSU, PSU and ISU.
He will be a Husker. Too bad so sad! Pretty much a done deal from what I hear and neither Meyer, Franklin or Campbell are gonna have any luck in this area especially with Frost here and your days are over coming into the Omaha Metro area and Nebraska in general and getting your pick of the litter of our states best overall talent as well period! Argue about it all you wan't till your blue in the face Don't believe me, just watch! You may have beaten us the past few years or so, but the wins you've had recently doesn't give you any credibility nor relevance whatsoever as your overall history in Football says it all. Never have been and never will be! Yes you may have beaten us in recent years, but you will never get the talent that we get and you will never out recruit us and you can take that one to the bank!Sooooo, the Hawks have absolutely no shot at Duggan now, do they?
"Here’s the deal: At any point during that process, Iowa State would have been giddy about taking a commitment from Duggan. In fact, my guess is that they still would be today. He is that good of a player (hence why any program with a pulse has offered him at this point).
But I’m told that Matt Campbell fell in love with Dean – a stout 6-foot-6 prospect – the first time he laid eyes on him. This was a situation where Iowa State truly believes that Dean is going to absolutely blow up over the summer. Iowa State generally doesn’t land top prospects without “getting in on them” incredibly early. After visiting last weekend, Dean was ready to commit. Duggan clearly is not.
Do you risk your spot with Dean – a guy you LOVE – on a guy who could end up going to Ohio State or Penn State in three months?"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/02/...n-run-of-quarterback-additions-at-iowa-state/
It makes me so sad that Chris doesn't feel Iowa should even be mentioned in the same article as blue bloods like OSU, PSU and ISU.
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Iowa is set at QB but thanks for the interest. Oh by the way, the number one recruit in NE for 2019, Heinrich, is a lock for Iowa. We might take his team mate at TE but we are not sure if we have room. We will let you know. Take that to the bank.
Get back to us when you do something on the field. Awesome you’ve out recruited Iowa since you’ve joined the big 10 and still have a losing record.
Man I sure love the husker history lesson or bragging about recruiting cause nothing on the field they can brag about. Best part is how they always have to come to an Iowa board and repeat this like a broken record and let us know and also tell us how irrelevant Iowa is but ironically these fans visit Iowa site so often for being “nothing program”. As for Duggan you know as much as next person and have know clue where he will go.
Just because his dad played Tennis for Iowa? LMAO!! NOT!! Thanks for playin'!!
Look at our history, and look at yours! We can afford to drop a few to ya! LMAO!! My prediction, we come into Iowa City this year and beat you on your own field signaling the end of your string of wins. You'll beat us every now and then and the wins will be distanced apart from each other as we have bigger fish to fry namely Wisconsin, not you. It'll take time to get where we once were and it will happen, we have a patient fan base because of Frost. I will be back on here again after we play in November to tell you I told you so. It ain't gonna be pretty!!
Haha you have a patient fan base. Your fan base is ignorant as yourself thinking you’re still an elite program. Hilarious how delusional you and your fans are and even funnier is you haven’t even had a season with fewer than 4 losses in 14 freaking years. As for coming back here I’ve been hearing that for 3 years then crickets until after signing day. Then all of a sudden husker fans boasting about their class because well not much you can brag about on the field. As for your history no one on an Iowa or another site cares anymore let alone ever. Again get back to me when you’ve done something on the field....
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Lather, rinse, repeat. We appreciate your recycling efforts. It's kind of like old home week when you guys show up with your 'but this coach is different' routine.
Take your lumps & go home. Have some humility with your 56-14, don't ramble on about nothing.
That's one reason. Both his parents are from Iowa. He grew up rooting for the Hawkeyes. Iowa is defensive minded with a focus on developing linebackers. Iowa has a great record of sending players to the NFL. Iowa had a consensus All American linebacker last year. Oh, and Hall of Famer Larry Station says hello.
Dude, Station was a great one...but he played 30+ years ago...doubt that's gonna have much influence on a kid today.
Sounds like you just got your Scott Frost action figure and already got it lubed up! I seriously worry about the mental health of Husker cultists.
It was my smug shot at Nebraska that Iowa recruited him out of Omaha. Actually, I'll bet the kid does know who Larry Station is.
You’re going to beat us with no lines? Your oline is terrible. It was terrible last year when your tackles kept getting beat like a red headed step child and will be worse this year after losing your 2 “best” Olinemen. Your defense isn’t going to be any better either giving up 50+ numerous times last year.
That was a generous butt kicking. Robbed out of fumble at beginning of game, missed a 4th and short, didn’t try scoring on last possession inside the 15 yard line. I like 70-14 at min
Had me going for a moment, but you totally ruined it with this,... now I know you're full of shit...
Guys, it's either 3 Big10, or 1 ACC school. And UNL isn't one of them. That's as of 3 week's ago.
How far back in history you want to go? Last season is history.
If you want to go back to ancient history - you better beware as some Gophers could come to your space and beat their chests as they own more national championships than you do.
Sounds ridiculous having some Gophers come to your board and brag about their history - doesn’t it? Now you understand how ridiculous you look to us right now.
Did you just say ‘Not!’....? Holy shit you guys really do live your lives back in the 90’s.
You're certainly entitled to your own prediction ... but what is it predicated upon? Did the Husker squad have a collective enema to go along with their case of rhabo? Was it all a cleansing process that will magically, all-of-a-sudden make them a great team?
Last I checked, the Huskers need to be breaking in a new QB and they still likely will be a work-in-progress on the lines (at least on the OL). On top of all that, they will be digesting all new schemes on BOTH sides of the ball.
Wasn't part of Frost's sales pitch to Honas was that he'd be guaranteed to play right away at LB because the Huskers were so abysmally bad at LB?
Don't get me wrong ... I expect that Frost will turn out to be a fine coach. Consequently, he probably will help "right the ship" for the Huskers. However, it's foolish to go spouting off like you're doing without legitimate arguments to support your position. Please try again ...
Then u should stop posting because things have changed and NEB is expecting his commitment.
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