Who does the team "belong" to?

[83Hawk]

Comments a poster made after the Nebraska loss.....that the seniors deserved to play the majority of the game even at the expense of losing, and that fans should just accept whatever happens without complaint got me to thinking.

Who does Iowa basketball (or football for that matter) "belong" to?
The University?
The players?
The coach?
The fans?

Should fans (as many posters believe) just keep their mouths shut, accept and be happy with whatever happens?

Do fans have the right to criticize? To what extent?
Do fans have the right to want better?
Do fans have any vested interest at all?

Does the team belong to the coach? Should he/she not be held accountable for wins/losses?

Do the teams exist solely for the players?

Or are the teams the property of the University, with no consideration for the fans?

Why does Iowa field football and basketball teams, and for who?

I would be interested in hearing people's thoughts!

 

[General Tso]

Yes,yes,yes,yes,no, yes - as much as they want,yes,yes,yes,yes,no,no,good question,

 

[DewHawk]

It seems to me in recent years in football/BBall the teams belong to the respective coach. The fans are no longer important because of TV $"s. It certainly feels a lot different than it did 50's thru the 80's to me. As far as the university they are irrelevant. JMO

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

 

[obfuscating]

Comments a poster made after the Nebraska loss.....that the seniors deserved to play the majority of the game even at the expense of losing, and that fans should just accept whatever happens without complaint got me to thinking.

Who does Iowa basketball (or football for that matter) "belong" to?
The University?
The players?
The coach?
The fans?

Should fans (as many posters believe) just keep their mouths shut, accept and be happy with whatever happens?

Do fans have the right to criticize? To what extent?
Do fans have the right to want better?
Do fans have any vested interest at all?

Does the team belong to the coach? Should he/she not be held accountable for wins/losses?

Do the teams exist solely for the players?

Or are the teams the property of the University, with no consideration for the fans?

Why does Iowa field football and basketball teams, and for who?

I would be interested in hearing people's thoughts!

Well looking at the new NBA model, if fans criticize or be disrespectful to the PROFESSIONAL athletes, the fans can be kicked out\banned. We have a world of pu$$ies now, where words hurt.

 

[uihawk82]

It seems to me in recent years in football/BBall the teams belong to the respective coach. The fans are no longer important because of TV $"s. It certainly feels a lot different than it did 50's thru the 80's to me. As far as the university they are irrelevant. JMO

These are good points but I would say Evy, Lute, Hayden were in those eras and they were considered the "Boss" the great coaches who must be correct and idolized.

BBall started out as a game that could be played indoors in the northern winters for exercise for all of us and for friendly competition and teamwork and now look at it. It is all money now, win or get fired, some or a lot of cheating.

Football started as a club sport at schools or at any organized way and then played in neighborhoods. Now it is all high tech equipment and training at high levels from jr high on up.

So both sports/games started out for the masses and club level at schools where a lot of people could play. The best then started getting scholarships to schools and paid to play.

Right now I would say all the organized football and bball teams "belong" to the conferences and the media. They pay for the games to take place at the level they do and they make the money. The fans have no control and therefore no real ownership. The universities field the teams but most of them lose money or just break even. College football and basketball belong to the conferences and the media because the schools gave up their rights by joining the conference and by selling their games to the media.

 

[DewHawk]

These are good points but I would say Evy, Lute, Hayden were in those eras and they were considered the "Boss" the great coaches who must be correct and idolized.

BBall started out as a game that could be played indoors in the northern winters for exercise for all of us and for friendly competition and teamwork and now look at it. It is all money now, win or get fired, some or a lot of cheating.

Football started as a club sport at schools or at any organized way and then played in neighborhoods. Now it is all high tech equipment and training at high levels from jr high on up.

So both sports/games started out for the masses and club level at schools where a lot of people could play. The best then started getting scholarships to schools and paid to play.

Right now I would say all the organized football and bball teams "belong" to the conferences and the media. They pay for the games to take place at the level they do and they make the money. The fans have no control and therefore no real ownership. The universities field the teams but most of them lose money or just break even. College football and basketball belong to the conferences and the media because the schools gave up their rights by joining the conference and by selling their games to the media.

Good point

 

[Ronman]

There is no doubt that Iowa football belongs to Kirk Ferentz. He doesn't care one bit what the fans might want, even while "praising" them for their support. He definitely has a passive/aggressive attitude toward everyone outside of the program. Basketball is somewhat the same. I would say it belongs to the head coach, although I would say that I think McCaffery does have a slightly different opinion of the fans. But it is still his program and he's not about to change anything for the fan's sake.

 

[obfuscating]

Coaches and Teams belong to the Athletic Department.

 

[Bishop1971]

There is no doubt that Iowa football belongs to Kirk Ferentz. He doesn't care one bit what the fans might want, even while "praising" them for their support. He definitely has a passive/aggressive attitude toward everyone outside of the program. Basketball is somewhat the same. I would say it belongs to the head coach, although I would say that I think McCaffery does have a slightly different opinion of the fans. But it is still his program and he's not about to change anything for the fan's sake.

I think all teams see something similar. Coaches are paid big money and have big personalities all across the country. I think they hear the fans but address the problems sometimes just because it helps them to win which is what we all want. Fans are definitely invested. The university uses sports success for itself but not as much as the research programs, writing program, and of course the hospital. The team definitely belongs to all mentioned imo. Definitely the conference is important for money and prestige. Fans spend and this board shows they are invested. The coaches are very invested also. The time and effort of kf and Fran is ridiculous. I say yes to all the choices.

 

[vgshwk]

as a fan if you buy a ticket you can applaud or boo if you want it’s your money. If you are watching on tv you are a collective of fans who make money for the team through tv contracts and commercials again you can cheer or boo.

 

[Bishop1971]

as a fan if you buy a ticket you can applaud or boo if you want it’s your money. If you are watching on tv you are a collective of fans who make money for the team through tv contracts and commercials again you can cheer or boo.

I prefer to boo at home. Just me. Don't begrudge anyone doing their own thing. I've decided the team belongs to me. Screw the rest . it's strictly just mine. I'm to invested to share.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

This is not that hard .....

The basketball team (and the football team) belongs to the University of Iowa. The U is run by the President, but still reports to the Board of Regents. The U is considered a public institution.

The President hires an AD who hires coaches and oversees the athletic programs.

Fans are stakeholders. They are important people that support the athletic programs by buying tickets, making donations and watching them on TV. But they have no ownership rights.

Fans are free to voice their opinions, but have no "rights" to the decision making process.

The U has athletic teams as a part of their overall programming.

It's similar in many ways to the UofI Hospital. It likely began as a way for med students to get hands on training with actual patients. It's a teaching hospital. But today, it has grown in size and stature to the point where is "seems" like it must be an autonomous entity. But it's not.

The teams absolutely do not belong to the fans, players or the coaches.

 

[amahawk]

This is not that hard .....

The basketball team (and the football team) belongs to the University of Iowa. The U is run by the President, but still reports to the Board of Regents. The U is considered a public institution.

The President hires an AD who hires coaches and oversees the athletic programs.

Fans are stakeholders. They are important people that support the athletic programs by buying tickets, making donations and watching them on TV. But they have no ownership rights.

Fans are free to voice their opinions, but have no "rights" to the decision making process.

The U has athletic teams as a part of their overall programming.

It's similar in many ways to the UofI Hospital. It likely began as a way for med students to get hands on training with actual patients. It's a teaching hospital. But today, it has grown in size and stature to the point where is "seems" like it must be an autonomous entity. But it's not.

The teams absolutely do not belong to the fans, players or the coaches.

The state of Iowa owns all of it.