Why can’t we complete with Wisconsin yearly? We are a better program but they are better than us almost every year. Is it the officials? I used to live I. Des Moines and now Madiy. I hate wearing my Hawkey gear.
Why are we Inferior.
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Easy: too many slow white guys on scholarship. It begins and ends there.
How are we a better program if they are better than us every year?
Who,Iowa or Wisky?
Didn’t Iowa beat Wisky three times last year?
Luka Doncic is slow and white. We just need to find the right slow white guys.
Getting the next Luka Doncic is not going to happen. Keegan was the guy and unfortunately, it was only 2 years and gone.
If you get a mix of Iowa players that tend to have some skills like shooting, but not much on defense---you better play slowball like Wisconsin and you only take players with a minimum of athleticism/size because they have to play defense. It was always very telling that Wisconsin passed on Jordan Bohannon because he was too small to defend. I like Jordan, thankful for his career, but you can't play good defense with him on the court no matter how hard he tries.
Nobody likes the visual appeal of Wisconsin, but under Ryan they did get to 2nd in nation. I don't think they'll get back to where they were unde Bo anytime soon, because Gard is far from Bo Ryan level coach.
It is all about coaching ability---ability to recruit qnd run a system that plays defense and can score.
You can't be good on just one side of the ball and compete at elite levels. Jay Wright, Mark Few....neither Villanova or Gonzaga are traditional blue bloods...the were good progams that got taken to new level by superior coaching. Even duke was not that great before Coach K.......Lute Olson built the Arizona program from nothing.
Very few elite coaches and unfortunately, our guy is not at that level.
Because it's difficult to do. Why SHOULDN'T Iowa be where they are? You think that the University of Iowa is entitled to conference championships every year? There is only one every year and we compete with some excellent institutions, including Wisconsin.
Instead of asking why we aren't Wisconsin, how about asking why Iowa is better than Minnesota? Nebraska? Rutgers? Northwestern? Why is Penn State basketball so lousy?
Y'all are spoiled.
But I will answer the question. Wisconsin has nearly double the population of Iowa. They have a major metro area that is 150% larger than the closest comparison in Iowa, so more in-state recruits. They have a better academic reputation so a scholarship from them is more valuable. They have a larger endowment. They have a larger student body, so more alumni/fans and more donations. They can attract better coaches as a result.
The University of Iowa athletics, including basketball, overachieve by nearly every metric.
Didn't Iowa just finish 4th in the season, and win the B1G tournament championship? How is that inferior?
I still think Iowa has a great amount of good talent but not a good amount of great talent.
I see the problem. They have 30 people in their picture and we only have 23. We don't have enough numbers!
Try again numb nuts.
End of thread and all the other threads filled with confused people.
it is that simple.
Freakish fast athletes in that Houston vs. Arizona game last night! That's how you D-up!
How many teams in the country would have loved to stink while winning 26 games this season including the BTT? Nice try Mike.
According to Kenpom - some folks that work pretty hard evaluating teams I'd say ...
#4 in offensive efficiency
#88 in defensive efficiency
That's out of 358 teams.
Iowa's defense is 9th in the B1G, above teams like Purdue and OSU. Just slightly below Michigan and NW. If Iowa is horrible at defense then there are 5 B1G teams and 270 nationally that are somehow worse than horrible.
Iowa is ranked #14 in Adjusted Efficiency Margin in the country. Basically the "net" of offense and defense efficiency. The Hawks are #2 in the B1G in that category.
Iowa does not stink.
#4 in offensive efficiency
#88 in defensive efficiency
That's out of 358 teams.
Iowa's defense is 9th in the B1G, above teams like Purdue and OSU. Just slightly below Michigan and NW. If Iowa is horrible at defense then there are 5 B1G teams and 270 nationally that are somehow worse than horrible.
Iowa is ranked #14 in Adjusted Efficiency Margin in the country. Basically the "net" of offense and defense efficiency. The Hawks are #2 in the B1G in that category.
Iowa does not stink.
You're really trying to argue for Iowa's defense by pointing out that the Hawks were 9th in the Big Ten?
Of the teams that have made the elite 8 so far, here are their defensive efficiency rankings per Pomeroy:
Houston - 10th
Arkansas - 11th
Villanova - 24th
Duke - 47th
St Peters and Iowa State's offenses are both terrible, but St Peters is 29th in defense and the Clones are 5th. There's a reason they're still playing.
There's an article from 2014 that has defensive stats for the previous 24 final four teams, from 2008 to 2013. I realize that's a long time ago, but I don't feel like going through all of the recent final four teams myself right now. Of those 24 final four teams, 10 were top 5 in defense, 8 were top 20 in defense and 3 were top 30.
Bottom line is it's very rare for a team with a great offense and a below average defense (like Iowa) to go very far in the tournament. All it takes is one bad shooting game (Richmond) and you're heading home. Defense always travels.
Edit: I did find a recent article from 538 talking about this year's tournament. It said no top 4 seed with a defense as bad as Purdue's has made the final four since at least 2002. Also, there's only been one team to make the final four in that time with a defensive ranking worse than 75th. That was the Dwyane Wade Marquette team in 2003 who's defensive ranking was 79th (still better than Iowa's this year).
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Cry me a river, then get over it. Or, get a life. Are you familiar with what the great Beau Bennett said in The Ranch?
Wisconsin's roster is whiter than ours.
But we aren't the worst. That's all some here care about. They'll chirp about being rated higher than purdue in defense this year, but is that historic? Are we generally better than purdue?
At least fans admit the offensive shortcomings in football and football has success that 90% of the country would love to have. We have people here that can't see the serious shortcomings in basketball without being anywhere nearly as successful.
I am not arguing "for" Iowa's defense. I'm only arguing that they don't stink.
BTW, here are the Adjusted Efficiency Margins ranks for those teams in the Elite 8 so far.
Houston - 2nd
Arkansas - 17th
Villanova - 11th
Duke - 9th
Here are their Offense Efficiency ranks -
Houston - 8th
Arkansas - 53rd
Villanova - 9th
Duke - 2nd
I guess these teams can play offense too.
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