Why can't ISU beat B1G teams?

[EZ2BJZ]

Lol. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Iowa loses, the Cyclone trolls flock in droves. Were they here Saturday? Nope.

Yes, i stand corrected. This year, Iowa State was in a 3-way tie for 2nd place in the Big XII. Ho-Lee Crap! I was so proven wrong. Hahaha. With that minor gaffe on my part, Iowa State fans have proven just how relevant they are nationally. Mea culpa, mrcy.

For the rest of you mental midget cardinal and gold clad trolls with reading comprehension issues, inferiority complexes, and in many cases, severe intellectual disabilities: Yes, we've established this decade Iowa State has been more successful (your rise to "national prominence" coincided with Iowa basketball coming out of the Lickliter era, so this makes as much sense as Iowa fans bragging about how much Iowa used to kick Iowa State's ass when Jim Walden was head ball coach). If you've read closely, yes, Iowa fans acknowledge Iowa State has had good teams. That isn't in dispute. So for this continual parroting of "Hey, we've been in the Top 25 a lot this decade" (which you've finished in 4 times since Fred took over in 2010...fyi) is again, laying siege of a vacant castle and only proves you have an inexplicable need to find validation on an Iowa message board. I don't get it, but whatever blows your skirt up Cyclone friends.

Again, I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on the substance of what I'm saying. Since Iowa State was taken over by The Mayor, they have been to the Sweet 16 twice in seven years--one of those years (last year) they got there by beating up on two mid-major teams. So please explain how that translates to "national relevance." I use the term "national relevance," because it's the term I see thrown out so often when Iowa State fans on here try to substantiate how awesome sauce Cyclone basketball is. Again, we've established Iowa State has been better this decade--although marginally so, at best, these last few years. Please explain how in this seven-year run of "national relevance" that your best finish in conference play is being tied for second with two other teams, and in reality, you're in 4th place because the two teams above you have 3 or 4 more overall wins. And lol, please, no one cares about conference tourney championships. If that's true, then Steve Alford is the greatest basketball coach in Iowa history.

So isn't it time to put this whole Iowa State basketball is a national brand tomfoolery to rest? And for those dismissing Iowa's youth this year, well, next year it will be your turn to see the ups and downs of a young team. Just saying, you might want to be careful talking so much s#!t about Iowa's NIT appearance this year. Could very easily be in your future next year--if the Cyclone team even gets to a post season.

 

[Rustys Dad]

You lost today to a bad Big 12 team.

So using your rationale, your team lost to the team that lost to the "bad Big 12 team" ...

 

[EZ2BJZ]

You rarely see any team but bluebloods go to the final four. Most schools are going to require some sort of combination of serious luck, or a pile of talent occuring at the same time.

I think we'll see a different ISU team next year and going forward under Prohm, which is much more focused on defense, rebounding, and ball control. I don't expect that focus to be rewarded with a final four, because I don't think final fours are really anything worth expecting as an ISU fan.

It's nice to have you here ISUBryce. You seem reasonably sane and intelligent--rare traits in many of our Cyclone visitors. As far as Final Fours are concerned, anything is possible. Butler made it two years in a row, VCU made it one year, and so did Wichita State. You never know.

I've always maintained a who knows type of attitude toward, well, really both Iowa and Iowa State's futures. With that said, I would just like some consistency in logic here. No Iowa fan on here has claimed Iowa basketball has been overall better than Iowa State basketball since Fred Hoiberg took over in 2010--so again, not trying to beat a dead horse, but this is called laying siege of a vacant castle. The problem I have, and I think many other Iowa fans on here do too, is the extraordinary, asinine lengths many of your brethren go to to tout Iowa State's "national prominence" and vast superiority to Iowa.

On what basis? That they made it to the Sweet 16 twice in seven years, while Iowa only managed the round prior to that on two occasions? That they finished in the top half of their conference a few years in a row now? Lol conference tourney championships? What is it? Head to head over the last five years? Where Iowa blew out Iowa State in 2012 and 2016, Iowa State blew out Iowa in 2014, and had frantic comebacks in the final minute of 2013 and 2015? That's clear superiority? Help me understand. You seem like a reasonably bright guy. Please explain the logic of your brethren to me in which Iowa State basketball is a national brand and so vastly superior to Iowa the last five years?

 

[EZ2BJZ]

So using your rationale, your team lost to the team that lost to the "bad Big 12 team" ...

And do you think he'll be smack talking Kansas fans on that basis? Nope.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

So let me get this straight clone fans on here making fun of Iowa for losing to TCU. However some actually realize ISU lost to them too so now the narrative is if they'd been in another conference besides Big 12 they would of done better....

Haha pretty much. Don't you just love the consistency in logic?

 

[Myvue]

What point has ISU gotten to? ISU lost to Iowa, again no conference title and got beat in game two of the NCAA tournament. Certainly not a point most programs strive for.

Iowa beat Iowa State two times in the last 7 years yet Iowa fans think they are superior. Winning one game in the NIT is not a point most programs strive for either. Iowa State had older players this year but they only had two players on the roster that played the complete season last year. Only when Iowa reaches over 50% wins in the Fran era can they gloat about being superior.

As for ISU losing to Purdue, should be expected since Purdue was the #1 team in the Big 10 and the outcome of games aren't allowed to be finished with a tie. For Cyclones to win games with the small line up they have to have all four of their 4 best scorers contributing and for whatever reason Naz Long was kept from his usual game. I was skeptical if ISU could win with the height factor especially since Purdue decided they needed to bring their 7'2" player off the bench. A 4 seed beating a 5 by four points not as disgraceful as a 4 seed beating a one without their starting point guard.

I wanted to post this earlier but didn't want to jinx the Cyclones but the streak prevailed. Iowa State was undefeated the entire year when they were leading at the half and also undefeated when they scored 80 points, not necessarily in the same games. Those two stats prevailed in their loss to Purdue.

Just think in three more years when Iowa loses all these freshman they can go through the growing pains for two of their next four years all over again.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

So using your rationale, your team lost to the team that lost to the "bad Big 12 team" ...

And they lost to the "bad Big12 team". Basically ISU lost a lot this year.

 

[txowan]

Lol. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Iowa loses, the Cyclone trolls flock in droves. Were they here Saturday? Nope.

Yes, i stand corrected. This year, Iowa State was in a 3-way tie for 2nd place in the Big XII. Ho-Lee Crap! I was so proven wrong. Hahaha. With that minor gaffe on my part, Iowa State fans have proven just how relevant they are nationally. Mea culpa, mrcy.

For the rest of you mental midget cardinal and gold clad trolls with reading comprehension issues, inferiority complexes, and in many cases, severe intellectual disabilities: Yes, we've established this decade Iowa State has been more successful (your rise to "national prominence" coincided with Iowa basketball coming out of the Lickliter era, so this makes as much sense as Iowa fans bragging about how much Iowa used to kick Iowa State's ass when Jim Walden was head ball coach). If you've read closely, yes, Iowa fans acknowledge Iowa State has had good teams. That isn't in dispute. So for this continual parroting of "Hey, we've been in the Top 25 a lot this decade" (which you've finished in 4 times since Fred took over in 2010...fyi) is again, laying siege of a vacant castle and only proves you have an inexplicable need to find validation on an Iowa message board. I don't get it, but whatever blows your skirt up Cyclone friends.

Again, I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on the substance of what I'm saying. Since Iowa State was taken over by The Mayor, they have been to the Sweet 16 twice in seven years--one of those years (last year) they got there by beating up on two mid-major teams. So please explain how that translates to "national relevance." I use the term "national relevance," because it's the term I see thrown out so often when Iowa State fans on here try to substantiate how awesome sauce Cyclone basketball is. Again, we've established Iowa State has been better this decade--although marginally so, at best, these last few years. Please explain how in this seven-year run of "national relevance" that your best finish in conference play is being tied for second with two other teams, and in reality, you're in 4th place because the two teams above you have 3 or 4 more overall wins. And lol, please, no one cares about conference tourney championships. If that's true, then Steve Alford is the greatest basketball coach in Iowa history.

So isn't it time to put this whole Iowa State basketball is a national brand tomfoolery to rest? And for those dismissing Iowa's youth this year, well, next year it will be your turn to see the ups and downs of a young team. Just saying, you might want to be careful talking so much s#!t about Iowa's NIT appearance this year. Could very easily be in your future next year--if the Cyclone team even gets to a post season.

You feel better? It was good to get all of that frustration off your chest now wasn't it. Now take it like an adult and act accordingly.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Iowa beat Iowa State two times in the last 7 years yet Iowa fans think they are superior. Winning one game in the NIT is not a point most programs strive for either. Iowa State had older players this year but they only had two players on the roster that played the complete season last year. Only when Iowa reaches over 50% wins in the Fran era can they gloat about being superior.

As for ISU losing to Purdue, should be expected since Purdue was the #1 team in the Big 10 and the outcome of games aren't allowed to be finished with a tie. For Cyclones to win games with the small line up they have to have all four of their Big 4 players contributing and for whatever reason Naz Long was kept from his usual game. I was skeptical if ISU could win with the height factor especially since Purdue decided they needed to bring their 7'2" player off the bench. A 4 seed beating a 5 by four points not as disgraceful as a 4 seed beating a one without their starting point guard. I wanted to post this earlier but didn't want to jinx the Cyclones but the streak prevailed. Iowa State was undefeated the entire year when they were leading at the half and also when they scored 80 points, not necessarily in the same games. Those two stats prevailed in their loss to Purdue.

Just think in three more years when Iowa loses all these freshman they can go through the growing pains for two of their next four years all over again.

Hate to break it to you the Hoiberg era is dead, over, finished. His players are done and gone after Purdue lost so now let's see how Prohm does from here on out after being given a golden ticket of a squad. I'll give Freddy credit he got you guys going for a good stretch but you are in denial if you don't see things are going to take a dip next year. I mean look at Purdue game the seniors scored all but 6 points. For all the clone fans bagging on Iowa and NIT squad this year karma may come to bite you in the butt because do realize your team will be in a very similar situation next year with lot of young players and lacking upperclassman just like Iowa except least we had an all conference player returning in Jok.

As for your last statement Fran was put in this spot because most Iowa fans will admit he had some misses in recruiting in back to back years (like junior class had Uhl, Ellingson & Dickerson) and sophs had 2 transfers and Moss red shirt and missed out on some players. That being said after this years great production he has 2 top 150 players and another Nunge who has risen in recruiting plus Joe Weiskamp a top 50 player for the following year.

 

[txowan]

Hate to break it to you the Hoiberg era is dead, over, finished. His players are done and gone after Purdue lost so now let's see how Prohm does from here on out after being given a golden ticket of a squad. I'll give Freddy credit he got you guys going for a good stretch but you are in denial if you don't see things are going to take a dip next year. I mean look at Purdue game the seniors scored all but 6 points. For all the clone fans bagging on Iowa and NIT squad this year karma may come to bite you in the butt because do realize your team will be in a very similar situation next year with lot of young players and lacking upperclassman just like Iowa except least we had an all conference player returning in Jok.

As for your last statement Fran was put in this spot because most Iowa fans will admit he had some misses in recruiting in back to back years (like junior class had Uhl, Ellingson & Dickerson) and sophs had 2 transfers and Moss red shirt and missed out on some players. That being said after this years great production he has 2 top 150 players and another Nunge who has risen in recruiting plus Joe Weiskamp a top 50 player for the following year.

Very excited about the Prohm era. Imo, he is a better college coach than Fred. Defense is a big focus of his, and the Clones have a loaded class coming in with a great deal of talent sitting out this year. I am hopeful of a Final 4 run in the next 4 years.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

You feel better? It was good to get all of that frustration off your chest now wasn't it. Now take it like an adult and act accordingly.

Lol. Dude, this is an Iowa message board, and you have the gumption to lecture me?

Yeah, I concede, it gets old wading through one insanely idiotic garbage post after another about Iowa State on an Iowa message board. I don't go to Clown boards thumping my chest about Iowa football, so I'm not sure what the point of you cardinal and gold clad mental midgets being here is beyond a feeble attempt at boosting your self esteem and delusions of grandeur.

Lol, Iowa State fans have been talking about their "loaded" classes and stud transfers since Hoiberg got there and how Final Fours and conference championships are in the future for Iowa State. Pssst--we're still waiting. But hey, lol, good luck with that Final Four run in the next four years. You can come back and thump your chest when that happens. Until then, as the British say, "Bugger off."

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Very excited about the Prohm era. Imo, he is a better college coach than Fred. Defense is a big focus of his, and the Clones have a loaded class coming in with a great deal of talent sitting out this year. I am hopeful of a Final 4 run in the next 4 years.

That's great you're excited. Go bop your cardinal and gold clad banana somewhere else. Sorry, but when it comes to Clown basketball, do you think Iowa fans are really going to hop on the trolley with you to the Land of Make Believe? Lol. Do you know where your'e at? Smh. Get bent and bugger off, loser.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

It's nice to have you here ISUBryce. You seem reasonably sane and intelligent--rare traits in many of our Cyclone visitors. As far as Final Fours are concerned, anything is possible. Butler made it two years in a row, VCU made it one year, and so did Wichita State. You never know.

I've always maintained a who knows type of attitude toward, well, really both Iowa and Iowa State's futures. With that said, I would just like some consistency in logic here. No Iowa fan on here has claimed Iowa basketball has been overall better than Iowa State basketball since Fred Hoiberg took over in 2010--so again, not trying to beat a dead horse, but this is called laying siege of a vacant castle. The problem I have, and I think many other Iowa fans on here do too, is the extraordinary, asinine lengths many of your brethren go to to tout Iowa State's "national prominence" and vast superiority to Iowa.

On what basis? That they made it to the Sweet 16 twice in seven years, while Iowa only managed the round prior to that on two occasions? That they finished in the top half of their conference a few years in a row now? Lol conference tourney championships? What is it? Head to head over the last five years? Where Iowa blew out Iowa State in 2012 and 2016, Iowa State blew out Iowa in 2014, and had frantic comebacks in the final minute of 2013 and 2015? That's clear superiority? Help me understand. You seem like a reasonably bright guy. Please explain the logic of your brethren to me in which Iowa State basketball is a national brand and so vastly superior to Iowa the last five years?

First off - I don't get into the national relevance stuff. It's impossible to quantify, because I'm in the fishbowl of Des Moines, I don't care about generally anything other than ISU and Iowa, and being nationally relevant in CBB is extremely rare. CBB just isn't a sport that draws a lot of eyeballs. National relevance in CBB is confined to one month, the NCAA tournament, like it or not, good or not.

And again, I don't mean this as a slight to Iowa, but Iowa has been to one sweet 16 since the 1980s. It's difficult to get to the second weekend of the tournament. Since Fran and Fred took the programs over, ISU has been to 6 NCAA tourney's and Iowa 3. ISU has finished in the top 25 4 times the last 4 years, including 2 top 10 finishes, Iowa once at #25 last year. To me that is clear superiority over a longer timespan, but again, we're splitting hairs because it doesn't matter unless you get really into the measuring.

What can't be measured is that I've had more fun following this team than any other experience I've had in sports the last few years. The Big 12 tournament, while ultimately pretty meaningless, is an absolute blast. The location, turnout, and just unabashed party ISU fans put on every year down there IMO can't be matched by many other sporting events. Arguing with each other about superiority to me isn't fun, especially considering I genuinely root for Iowa as well. Sports to me are about fun. I get PO'd at people online sometimes and I need to take a step back because that draws away from the fun for me.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Iowa beat Iowa State two times in the last 7 years yet Iowa fans think they are superior. Winning one game in the NIT is not a point most programs strive for either. Iowa State had older players this year but they only had two players on the roster that played the complete season last year. Only when Iowa reaches over 50% wins in the Fran era can they gloat about being superior.

As for ISU losing to Purdue, should be expected since Purdue was the #1 team in the Big 10 and the outcome of games aren't allowed to be finished with a tie. For Cyclones to win games with the small line up they have to have all four of their Big 4 players contributing and for whatever reason Naz Long was kept from his usual game. I was skeptical if ISU could win with the height factor especially since Purdue decided they needed to bring their 7'2" player off the bench. A 4 seed beating a 5 by four points not as disgraceful as a 4 seed beating a one without their starting point guard. I wanted to post this earlier but didn't want to jinx the Cyclones but the streak prevailed. Iowa State was undefeated the entire year when they were leading at the half and also when they scored 80 points, not necessarily in the same games. Those two stats prevailed in their loss to Purdue.

Just think in three more years when Iowa loses all these freshman they can go through the growing pains for two of their next four years all over again.

Your middle paragraph is fine. Your last paragraph, smh, wtf? No one can predict 3-4 years down the road. And growing pains? Psst--that's likely you guys next season. Time will tell.

Your first paragraph is again laying siege of a vacant castle. No Iowa fans have stated Iowa has had an overall better program than Iowa State this decade. None. Again, you guys keep parroting the same shit that no Hawkeye fans are disputing. So again, why y'all need the self esteem boost on an Iowa message board is beyond me.

Where Hawkeye fans are diverting from you guys, in terms of not hopping on the alternative facts train, is this asinine and dubious belief that Iowa State is somehow this nationally relevant, blue blood program. Good? Sure. Nationally relevant? Lol.

Let me put it this way. Iowa football finished #8 in the country 3 years in a row from 2002-2004, beat Florida and LSU in New Year's bowls, and won a share of a couple Big Ten titles in that time frame. Was Iowa a nationally relevant blue blood program? Exactly. Yet, because Iowa State finished #9 in the country two years in a row, tied for 3rd place in the ten-team Big XII, and reached one Sweet Sixteen, that Iowa fans are suppose to drool at the Cyclone national brand of basketball? Lol. Do you not get that? It's so laughable and ridiculous, yet you mental midgets will continue to go to extraordinary lengths on OUR board seeking validation. Smh. I feel sorry for some of y'all, really.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Very excited about the Prohm era. Imo, he is a better college coach than Fred. Defense is a big focus of his, and the Clones have a loaded class coming in with a great deal of talent sitting out this year. I am hopeful of a Final 4 run in the next 4 years.

Lol, no chance.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

First off - I don't get into the national relevance stuff. It's impossible to quantify, because I'm in the fishbowl of Des Moines, I don't care about generally anything other than ISU and Iowa, and being nationally relevant in CBB is extremely rare. CBB just isn't a sport that draws a lot of eyeballs. National relevance in CBB is confined to one month, the NCAA tournament, like it or not, good or not.

And again, I don't mean this as a slight to Iowa, but Iowa has been to one sweet 16 since the 1980s. It's difficult to get to the second weekend of the tournament. Since Fran and Fred took the programs over, ISU has been to 6 NCAA tourney's and Iowa 3. ISU has finished in the top 25 4 times the last 4 years, including 2 top 10 finishes, Iowa once at #25 last year. To me that is clear superiority over a longer timespan, but again, we're splitting hairs because it doesn't matter unless you get really into the measuring.

What can't be measured is that I've had more fun following this team than any other experience I've had in sports the last few years. The Big 12 tournament, while ultimately pretty meaningless, is an absolute blast. The location, turnout, and just unabashed party ISU fans put on every year down there IMO can't be matched by many other sporting events. Arguing with each other about superiority to me isn't fun, especially considering I genuinely root for Iowa as well. Sports to me are about fun. I get PO'd at people online sometimes and I need to take a step back because that draws away from the fun for me.

You get it. And it's fans like you and Lone Clone (and friends I have) that I some times feel good about Iowa State representing the state. Again, I don't know how many times I have to say this--Iowa State has had a better program this decade, although I would argue the gap has closed considerably the last 3 years. But, yes, no sane Iowa fan is arguing against that. But again, it's what your other fellow Cyclone brethren keep poppin' their chops about that I feel inclined to correct them on. If this was a Cyclone board, by all means, hop on the alternative facts choo choo and laud yourselves copiously for being fans of a blue blood Iowa State basketball team. On here? Different story.

But you're right, you should enjoy watching your team, and in truth, when the conversation is intelligent and logical, I don't mind having good conversations with Iowa State basketball fans and giving their team their due. You seem like a good dude, it's nice to have you here.

Btw, one small correction--Dr. Tom in his lame duck year (1999) took Iowa took the Sweet 16 and gave eventual champion UConn a hell of a good game. Germane to your point, is that Iowa hasn't had any real post season success in recent memory and hasn't won a conference championship since before I was born (1981). I get it and don't ever argue against that. Thank you and have a good day.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Very excited about the Prohm era. Imo, he is a better college coach than Fred. Defense is a big focus of his, and the Clones have a loaded class coming in with a great deal of talent sitting out this year. I am hopeful of a Final 4 run in the next 4 years.

You had 2 years ago two all american players in Morris and Niang along with Nader a late 2nd round draft pick along with McKay a rim protector and shooter in Thomas and didn't make past sweet 16 but with players Prohm is bringing in think you'll have a better shot at the final 4, ok gotcha. If defense is his focus I must have missed that this year...and as for better coach all I heard from ISU fans after Iowa loss and up until last few weeks of the season is how much better Hoiberg is as a coach.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

You had 2 years ago two all american players in Morris and Niang along with Nader a late 2nd round draft pick along with McKay a rim protector and shooter in Thomas and didn't make past sweet 16 but with players Prohm is bringing in think you'll have a better shot at the final 4, ok gotcha. If defense is his focus I must have missed that this year...and as for better coach all I heard from ISU fans after Iowa loss and up until last few weeks of the season is how much better Hoiberg is as a coach.

ISU was 42nd in defensive efficiency, and considering the problems in the frontcourt and the historical (lack of) success on D for this group, that's pretty dang impressive.

 

[txowan]

You had 2 years ago two all american players in Morris and Niang along with Nader a late 2nd round draft pick along with McKay a rim protector and shooter in Thomas and didn't make past sweet 16 but with players Prohm is bringing in think you'll have a better shot at the final 4, ok gotcha. If defense is his focus I must have missed that this year...and as for better coach all I heard from ISU fans after Iowa loss and up until last few weeks of the season is how much better Hoiberg is as a coach.

With the players that are coming in (recruited), the future is very bright. The team will continue to improve defensively moving forward. Prom stresses defense, and top teams in the NCAA play good defense.

 

[Pepperman]

With the players that are coming in (recruited), the future is very bright. The team will continue to improve defensively moving forward. Prom stresses defense, and top teams in the NCAA play good defense.

You know, just the other day, I was in an airport bar and the guy next to me was talking about college basketball. He said, "well, my team is ok, but I hope someday they are in that top tier with North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State, Michigan State, and UCLA".

 

[txowan]

You know, just the other day, I was in an airport bar and the guy next to me was talking about college basketball. He said, "well, my team is ok, but I hope someday they are in that top tier with North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State, Michigan State, and UCLA".

Smart man

 

[Pepperman]

Smart man

You know we're laughing AT you? But you keep hanging out here...

 

[txowan]

You know we're laughing AT you? But you keep hanging out here...

You are laughing because I said top teams in the NCAA play Good defence. ISU wants to be a top team and the recruiting has picked up considerably. They play Good defence and the sky is the limit. You are Just frustrated that ISU is so much closer than Iowa to being a top team, and could move that way in short order. Nobody said anything about being an elite program, but being a very good one with years where they are near the top, is certainly attainable.

 

[HerkyFan]

You feel better? It was good to get all of that frustration off your chest now wasn't it. Now take it like an adult and act accordingly.

isu fans act like 6 year olds. It is just how the culture of isu rolls.

Just another day that ends in y.

 

[HerkyFan]

You are laughing because I said top teams in the NCAA play Good defence. ISU wants to be a top team and the recruiting has picked up considerably. They play Good defence and the sky is the limit. You are Just frustrated that ISU is so much closer than Iowa to being a top team, and could move that way in short order. Nobody said anything about being an elite program, but being a very good one with years where they are near the top, is certainly attainable.

isu delusion yet again.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

ISU beat TCU twice. By a lot. Kinda funny Iowa fans trying to discount what ISU has done for the last 6 years. Iowa basketball is trying to get to the point that Iowa State has been for years. It's cute.

Oh my God. I didn't just read that, did I?

 

[Pepperman]

You are laughing because I said top teams in the NCAA play Good defence. ISU wants to be a top team and the recruiting has picked up considerably. They play Good defence and the sky is the limit. You are Just frustrated that ISU is so much closer than Iowa to being a top team, and could move that way in short order. Nobody said anything about being an elite program, but being a very good one with years where they are near the top, is certainly attainable.

No. I'm laughing at how you live on an Iowa board. You're a loser, seeking validation. You won't see me bragging on whatever board you guys have. I don't care about you enough.

EVERY POST you make here is another mark against you.

 

[txowan]

No. I'm laughing at how you live on an Iowa board. You're a loser, seeking validation. You won't see me bragging on whatever board you guys have. I don't care about you enough.

EVERY POST you make here is another mark against you.

Not particularly worried about your marks.

 

[HerkyFan]

Not particularly worried about your marks.

Please keep validating isu stereotypes.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

With the players that are coming in (recruited), the future is very bright. The team will continue to improve defensively moving forward. Prom stresses defense, and top teams in the NCAA play good defense.

Lot of coaches stress defense so Prohm isn't the only one. But great cliche comment. By the way maybe learn how to spell your coaches name right when you keep trying to pimp out how good he and your beloved clones will be. Give you a pass probably have that big High School Prom on the horizon you are looking forward to.

Fact is everyone thinks their own teams recruits coming in will be good but no guarantee if they will be or not. Some outperform recruit rankling like Aaron White, Peter Jok others don't. Josh Ogelsby was ranked 122nd by rivals. Remember Clayton Custer that 4* recruit from 2014 class 92nd by rivals that ISU brought in? Where is he now? That's right he's in the MVC. Your previous 2 classes had 2 4* recruits neither of them made it on campus. So with incoming class and last years class Iowa has more 4* recruits so future is very bright with Iowa according to your logic plus one of our "3 star" guys was first team all frosh this season in big 10 with Bohannon.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Not particularly worried about your marks.

Nor do you seem particularly concerned about looking like you suffer from an acute intellectual disability.

PS- In America, we spell defenSe with an "s" not a "c." If you want to spell defense "defence," go live across the pond.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

And where are Clown fans getting this whole "we have our best recruiting class ever" nonsense?

In 2013, Iowa State's recruiting class was ranked about #24. Currently, they are rated about #24 (by rivals) #18 by ESPN and unranked by 247 Sports and Scout for 2017. So again, good, but elite? I'm sorry, but that is nowhere near being a Top 10 class. Lol. Yes, I get it, recruiting rankings don't always translate to success on the court, but, lol, some of you guys are already championing Steve Prohm a better coach than Hoiberg with better talent. Lol. Time will tell, I guess. Lol.

 

[HerkyFan]

Nor do you seem particularly concerned about looking like you suffer from an acute intellectual disability.

PS- In America, we spell defenSe with an "s" not a "c." If you want to spell defense "defence," go live across the pond.

txowan refuses to believe the stats isu publishes about its basketball program and then proceeds to call others a dunce.

If it wasn't so hilarious it would be a sad commentary on the value of an isu degree.

 

[txowan]

Lot of coaches stress defense so Prohm isn't the only one. But great cliche comment. By the way maybe learn how to spell your coaches name right when you keep trying to pimp out how good he and your beloved clones will be. Give you a pass probably have that big High School Prom on the horizon you are looking forward to.

Fact is everyone thinks their own teams recruits coming in will be good but no guarantee if they will be or not. Some outperform recruit rankling like Aaron White, Peter Jok others don't. Josh Ogelsby was ranked 122nd by rivals. Remember Clayton Custer that 4* recruit from 2014 class 92nd by rivals that ISU brought in? Where is he now? That's right he's in the MVC. Your previous 2 classes had 2 4* recruits neither of them made it on campus. So with incoming class and last years class Iowa has more 4* recruits so future is very bright with Iowa according to your logic plus one of our "3 star" guys was first team all frosh this season in big 10 with Bohannon.

The kids that don't live up to expectations or realize they can't cut the B12 level are gone quickly(aka Custer) at ISU. I believe ISU has 3 4 star recruits that will be suiting up for the 1st time this next year. It may be more than that.

 

[33hawkfan]

The kids that don't live up to expectations or realize they can't cut the B12 level are gone quickly(aka Custer) at ISU. I believe ISU has 3 4 star recruits that will be suiting up for the 1st time this next year. It may be more than that.

Simeon Carter says hi! Or is being the goofy bench guy considered cutting it in the B12?

 

[Kclone]

It's unbelievable. And in truth, really sad. I don't know what their motivation is for being here. A self esteem boost?

I don't get it. It's like they expect Iowa fans to bow down and worship them for being fans of the "nationally relevant" Cyclone basketball team and apologize for us being Hawkeye fans on a Hawkeye message board. Seriously, if you're so great, why do you need validation from us?

Well, for the Cyclone trolls out there, here you go: You guys are awesome. Nationally relevant without question. Every team in America is dying to have their best conference finish (in a 10-team conference) be tied for 3rd place. And so many other teams in America are absolutely green with envy at your two Sweet 16 losses in 7 seasons. National relevance must feel so amazing.

Yes, we get it, Cyclone friends. The Iowa State basketball program has been better than Iowa's during this decade, although marginally better at best since Iowa has been able to finally climb out of the Lickliter mess these past few years. With that said, there are no Iowa fans on this board (at least I've never seen one) who will make any sort of claim that Iowa basketball has been better this decade. None. So your constant reiteration of that only proves one) you still have inferiority issues and two) are very adept at laying siege of a vacant castle.

Where Iowa fans, however, take issue with you outstanding, classy basketball fans, is the part where you tout this whole Iowa State basketball blue blood/national prominence thing. I'm sorry that there are no Iowa fans here who want to join you in departing from reality, but gosh, that's kind of to be expected, right?

Again, congratulations on your two Sweet 16 losses in 7 years and your two amazing tied-for-3rd-place finishes in the mighty ten-team Big XII conference. We Iowa fans are absolutely humbled to be in the presence of such greatness. Now, could you do all of us a solid and depart from this board for a while...uhh, scratch that, how about forever so we can soak all of that greatness in? Thank you so much for you cooperation. And remember, keep smiling. You're all very beautiful, and throughout the country there are many Duke fans, Michigan State fans, Kentucky fans, Kansas fans and so many other great college basketball fans marveling at your national relevance... and left with nothing but absolute pangs of jealousy.

Don't forget we didn't have Niang in the sweet 16 against UConn, otherwise, we win that game. Plus, Babb didn't play in the second half against OSU, where they won on a buzzer beater.

 

[33hawkfan]

Don't forget we didn't have Niang in the sweet 16 against UConn, otherwise, we win that game. Plus, Babb didn't play in the second half against OSU, where they won on a buzzer beater.

That sucks that ISU is the only team in NCAA tournament history to have players get hurt during a college basketball season. Tough break.

 

[Kclone]

So ISU lost to a bad Big 12 team..... As did Iowa.

but in this instance we have more data in that there were 3 games played. ISU won two by healthy margins. Oh, and TCU had their starting pt guard for those games.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Don't forget we didn't have Niang in the sweet 16 against UConn, otherwise, we win that game. Plus, Babb didn't play in the second half against OSU, where they won on a buzzer beater.

And your point is...what? Iowa State is the only team who has ever had injuries//bad luck?

Ronnie Lester stays healthy, Iowa is national champions in 1980. Yawn. Chris Street doesn't get killed, Jess Settles doesn't have back issues, etc. etc. etc.

This whole "but but but but...if only" whining is so typical with Cyclone fans. Lol. Face it, Iowa State basketball is not elite. We get it, ISU is garbage in football and needs basketball to feel important, but sorry, that's just not reality. Iowa State basketball is not elite. Period. Now please, go seek validation on the Clown board. No one is taking a ride on the cardinal and gold trolley to the Land of Make Believe here.

 

[txowan]

Simeon Carter says hi! Or is being the goofy bench guy considered cutting it in the B12?

Just announced his transfer