Why hasn’t Congress passed additional funding for the virus
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We have progressed from no response teams at all, to response teams that only do oil emergencies, to response teams that don’t address pandemics, to pandemics not being on the front page, to well they aren’t advertising what they are doing, so they aren’t doing anything
If they are the "frontline", like CDC, they post it.
If it's not their responsibility, and they get direction from other agencies when needed, they don't.
NRT isn't running this. Maybe they'll be part of a reaction plan somewhere down the line. But that is 100% NOT what your point about the Obama Rapid Response group was designed for. You cannot seem to admit that. It is a fact.
The original context was the pandemic response team. You claimed Trump didn't need them, and linked the NRT as one of the alternatives.
They are not an "alternative". They are not a pandemic response team.
Nor is the Iowa City Fire Department.
Per their mission statement/About, the NRT focuses on oil spills and chemical cleanups. I quoted that for you days ago. Nothing about viral pandemics on that page. Period.
Huh?
I've told you, several times, it was the rapid response infrastructure put in place by Bush II and Obama. The article where Trump dissolved it has also been posted for you.
If this is past your reading comprehension level, I cannot help you.
If they are the "front line" entity, directing a national response, I'm reasonably certain they'd let you know that on their webpage.
Yet, here we are, with a pending pandemic, and they haven't mobilized, or added any guidance on their site for anyone.
Something's amiss if they're the ones replacing the original Bush/Obama era organization. Get on that, inspector!
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Why do you persist in arguing this? The NRT is chaired by the EPA and vice chaired by the Coast Guard. These are not organizations with expertise in community health. They don’t have relationships with whatever hospital you work in. They are not staffed with doctors and you have not seen them on stage at covid 19 briefings have you?
Just give it up and walk away - if you can climb out of the hole you dug over the past 3 pages.
He'd be trying to argue his hospital doesn't need Central Sterilization Facilities, because "we have janitors for that!!"
FWIW: I'm here trying to combat disinformation.
In this case, a disinformation campaign, claiming that Trump's elimination of the pandemic response group, originally set up by Bush/Obama for SARs/Ebola, "didn't matter" because we had all these other organizations "that do the same thing".
The past 3 pages is RN justifying his link of the NRT.org site as one of those "examples". And, despite allegedly working in healthcare, and perhaps having an understanding of infectious diseases and how outbreaks/pandemics work, he's here making completely nonsensical arguments and cases - some of which really misrepresent the dangers posed by these outbreaks, and downplaying the administration's missteps.
It's just someone defending Trump, for whatever reasons, and really "going the distance" with the disinformation and nonsense comparisons to do it.
Why you would do this, being in the healthcare line of work is beyond me. I even posted Tweets from a MN area nurse, who was complaining on the lack of leadership, and how they'd barely have room for just a few coronavirus patients, let alone dozens.
But RN Hawk just blows that off, like it doesn't matter, and claims "everyone is ready because Trump".
Is this what MAGA does to people? They can no longer critically think anything thru? Wow.
RN brings up a very good point. If blame for an outbreak cannot be deflected away from a president who is alternating between lying about the seriousness of Coronavirus, and bumbling the response, a lot of Americans will finally see that the emperor has no clothes.
Trump spent half of today holding a fundraiser, and a rally in South Carolina, a state that isn't even having a Republican primary. He did it seemingly just to have some fun to interrupt the Dem primary, and to get some emotional stroke time in from the #MAGA hat crowd.
Trump spent half of today holding a fundraiser, and a rally in South Carolina, a state that isn't even having a Republican primary. He did it seemingly just to have some fun to interrupt the Dem primary, and to get some emotional stroke time in from the #MAGA hat crowd.
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Joe,
a little bit about myself, I have been a paramedic for over 20 years and a nurse for over 22 years. I have worked ICU/CCU, ER, Trauma, Case Management, Occ health, pre-op, PACU, and the operating room. When I worked in the ER in Des Moines, I was the haz mat coordinator, the ER in the Phoenix area where I worked has a strategic partnership with the United States Military for training and responding to mass casualty incidents. I have worked for companies called Medaire and International SOS (please look them up). I provide medical care for the Arizona Cardinals, Phoenix Suns, and prior the DBacks and their fans and other events held there. I have provided medical care for presidential rallies. During my career I attended many conferences and workshops dealing with terrorism, MCI, and biological warfare. Despite what you think I have a lot of history and background when it comes to these types of things. I can assure you that teams are in place to deal with this type of thing, maybe not exactly the Obama team you keep referring too but teams that are able to do the same. These teams are currently working on this or are prepared to move when needed.
as far as the nurse in Minnesota how exactly is it Trumps fault that Hennepin County hospital or wherever he works didn’t build enough positive pressure rooms? How can you blame Trump. I can also assure you that if you work in critical care especially in larger hospital systems you have training on proper PPE usage especially after 9 11 including the use of PPE to take care of these types of patients (yes masks, suits, etc that you see on tv). In rural areas, since 911, education and training have been provided to those first responders and health care personal in how to deal with these people. If they don’t have the special ppe that larger hospitals have, n95 masks, gloves, eye protection, and gowns will suffice. We take care of TB and bacterial meningitis patients using the same
the military has in place special hospitals, tents, decon , etc that can be deployed if the healthcare system is overwhelmed.
mistakes are going to happen during this crisis, they always do no matter who is running the country. The United States is the best prepared country in the world to deal with this according to the John Hopkins study.
The nrt is one such team available along with the others I linked
Now if you want to continue with this conversation like adults I am more than happy to give you insight and answer your questions or concerns that you may have.
On a side note this was all done on my iPhone using my fat thumbs so please excuse any grammar or spelling errors
a little bit about myself, I have been a paramedic for over 20 years and a nurse for over 22 years. I have worked ICU/CCU, ER, Trauma, Case Management, Occ health, pre-op, PACU, and the operating room. When I worked in the ER in Des Moines, I was the haz mat coordinator, the ER in the Phoenix area where I worked has a strategic partnership with the United States Military for training and responding to mass casualty incidents. I have worked for companies called Medaire and International SOS (please look them up). I provide medical care for the Arizona Cardinals, Phoenix Suns, and prior the DBacks and their fans and other events held there. I have provided medical care for presidential rallies. During my career I attended many conferences and workshops dealing with terrorism, MCI, and biological warfare. Despite what you think I have a lot of history and background when it comes to these types of things. I can assure you that teams are in place to deal with this type of thing, maybe not exactly the Obama team you keep referring too but teams that are able to do the same. These teams are currently working on this or are prepared to move when needed.
as far as the nurse in Minnesota how exactly is it Trumps fault that Hennepin County hospital or wherever he works didn’t build enough positive pressure rooms? How can you blame Trump. I can also assure you that if you work in critical care especially in larger hospital systems you have training on proper PPE usage especially after 9 11 including the use of PPE to take care of these types of patients (yes masks, suits, etc that you see on tv). In rural areas, since 911, education and training have been provided to those first responders and health care personal in how to deal with these people. If they don’t have the special ppe that larger hospitals have, n95 masks, gloves, eye protection, and gowns will suffice. We take care of TB and bacterial meningitis patients using the same
the military has in place special hospitals, tents, decon , etc that can be deployed if the healthcare system is overwhelmed.
mistakes are going to happen during this crisis, they always do no matter who is running the country. The United States is the best prepared country in the world to deal with this according to the John Hopkins study.
The nrt is one such team available along with the others I linked
Now if you want to continue with this conversation like adults I am more than happy to give you insight and answer your questions or concerns that you may have.
On a side note this was all done on my iPhone using my fat thumbs so please excuse any grammar or spelling errors
jesus man. You’ve posted here for a long time. What happened to you?
That’s embarrassing. This thread makes it amazingly clear, trump voters are dim.
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He spent the rest of the day watching a play about the deep state. And his supporters at the rally in SC say you can’t trust the CDC because it’s staffed by deep staters. I feel safe.
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You don’t understand, RN....Joe is the expert here. (In his mind.)
He is practically giddy over every new case of coronavirus. And of course, it’s all Trump’s fault.
They don't build rooms to stand empty. Those rooms are expensive.
Hennepin Cty isn't set up to be Coronavirus Quarantine Central. That's why a federal response and planning is needed. Which was the entire point of my responses in the thread.
They don't pay attention.
RN posted his creds - he's clearly a capable guy. But it seems the brain shuts off when defending Trump has to be front and center.
It's sad really. Smart people, de-volved down to being blithering idiots to defend a raging narcissist that is incapable of even average governance.
Mistakes will happen. What happened in CA at Travis AFB was an unforced error. Overruling your own CDC and having someone at State 'do it themselves w/o proper training and PPE in place.
Again- Obama took A LOT of criticism for bringing Ebola patients back into the US - and there were reasonable arguments to be made regarding that risk. But he relied on his experts; he used CDC and let them make the call on it and went with the expert recommendations.
Clearly, that did not happen here; and we will start seeing the impacts of clowns running the show, ignoring the scientists and experts. Without anyone in place to coordinate all of it, like Obama and Bush II put together.
Que?
Are 'facts' now considered "Crazytown"?
Are you upset by the end result, or do you prefer to just let both sides make shit up and guess?
Hopefully this won’t happen but why don’t we wait and see what happens if our healthcare system gets overwhelmed instead of assuming the worst
btw those rooms are still being used they don’t sit empty
experts told trump to restrict air travel and he did....the Air Force base issue hasn’t been confirmed yet and if it happened it could have been the result of a local error
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The AFB issue was a mistake the minute someone at State Dept overruled the CDCs recommendations, and "winged it".
That should have never happened, and IF there had been the Bush/Obama infrastructure in place THAT PERSON would have made the call, not some Trump lackey at State.
This shit happens with weak, ineffective leadership. I understand you think Trump is a strong leader, because he yells a lot and makes lots of noise. But he is not; he is weak and ineffective, because he does not delegate decisions, and does not listen to experts. He only values opinions of those who kiss his ass.
Because that's how you end up like China - shutting your entire country down.
You were an EMT; would you just randomly load up a few band-aids in your trucks, and "just wait and see" what the emergency was, when you showed up?
Or did you have a whole list of stuff in the truck, all testing, documented, verified and organized in specific places in the truck so anyone working it knew exactly where to find it when needed?
Because that seems to be what you're advocating - "just showing up and winging it and see what happens" instead of "assuming the worst" and having your truck fully stocked/loaded and everyone prepared to find everything, trained to use it and ready to use it if necessary.
Of course, the latter requires A LOT MORE resources and planning, don't it?
Did these cuts go through Congress or did the WH (Trump) do this on his own? He has a record there. you know.
no of course not that is why there are plans and a buildup of supplies in strategic areas of the country. These plans and supplies were instituted after 911 and well before Trump. If you recall the press conference where the CDC official told hospitals and others to get out your plans for pandemic flu and dust them off. I linked a story about Mary Greeley that has been doing this for weeks
trump has done other things like shutting down the Global-Health-Security unit of the National Security Council, and eliminating the US 30 million Complex Crisis Fund and reducing the national health spending by $15 billion and maybe the worst is attacking agency directors like Mark Green for example of the US Agency for International Development and having acting directors that carry his water in other agencies like Homeland Security. He appoints acting directors that have no experience or clues on what their job is. Actually I don't know why he's afraid to nominate them to go before the senate, because we all know, the republicans will support anything trump wants anyway.
Againhas it been confirmed the AF issue actually happened, because sources and whistleblowers haven’t had exactly a perfect track record under the Trump Administration. Why don’t we sit back, pray, do what we can, and hope for the best instead of blaming people. There will be plenty of time to do this after the crisis has passed and I will be here to hopefully not eat a lot of crow on this situation
I find this holds true for religion as well. Perfectly capable people abandon reason to embrace magic because they have to defend the traditions they learned as children. It’s sort of fascinating how people can turn their brains on and off.
You can’t reason with Joe. He is so full of hatred for Trump. Joe, the man with 20/20 hindsight, is going to continue to whine, complain, and whip up as much panic and hysteria as he can. It doesn’t matter WHAT has been or will be done....it was either wrong, too late, or not enough. Since a Republican is in the White House, nothing, absolutely nothing, will be good enough. He just makes me sick.
Has everything been handled perfectly so far? No. And it wouldn’t have been under Joe’s hero Obama, either. I am not a Trump fan, but his travel ban and having those coming in from China quarantined has played a large part (IMO) of the reason we have had relatively few cases in the US, and helping to make it much less serious than it could be. I also think the response to this by our medical professionals, government, etc. has been pretty good.
But all that isn’t good enough for the vermin who are making this political. They would rather play Monday Morning Quarterback to score political points. Scum.
Are there? Most areas did not have any testing kits, which is why no one was tested.
