Why I Voted for Donald Trump

[RileyHawk]

And yet they have vaccines in Europe...

https://scholarlycommons.law.emory.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1056&;;context=elj

In June 2017, the Court of Justice of the European Union (ECJ) provided guidance in a vaccine injury case that strikes a remarkably different balance. In E.U. countries, an injured person has the right to seek compensation in civil court and to allege that a vaccine is unreasonably dangerous or defective. The ECJ held that an injured party may bring “serious, specific and consistent evidence,” and can prevail if this evidence shows that the vaccine is “the most plausible explanation for the occurrence of the damage.”3 The plaintiff can assert this claim even if a scientific consensus that a vaccine can cause the alleged injury does not yet exist.

While some contend that this ECJ decision opens the floodgates to litigation, scholarly commentary disfavors this view. Empirical work indicates that leaving courthouse doors open elevates vaccine safety. While access to courts for vaccine injury in the United States is essentially closed, it is more open in Europe; accordingly, the ways in which developing countries proceed is at stake.

The U.S.-based Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other majorinter governmental, governmental, and private-sector actors have joined together recently to create a vaccine fund to respond to potential epidemic disease threats on a global basis. The new fund, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), has stated that it seeks to create liability protection and compensation mechanisms based on the U.S. model for vaccine liability. CEPI’s intent to export the U.S. model warrants serious consideration and caution.

You're an ignorant shill.

• The EU's Product Liability Directive (1985) does hold manufacturers liable for defective products, including vaccines, if the defect can be proven. However, in cases where governments agree to indemnify manufacturers, this liability can shift to the state or a third party. For COVID-19 vaccines, several EU countries agreed to indemnification arrangements, which protected vaccine companies from direct liability related to unexpected adverse effects as part of expedited production and distribution.
• During the COVID-19 pandemic, EU member states implemented indemnity agreements as part of vaccine procurement contracts with companies like Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and AstraZeneca. Under these agreements, member states assumed some responsibility for compensation claims related to vaccine side effects. These agreements were negotiated to accelerate vaccine distribution during the health crisis.

 

[seminole97]

Can you show me where Clinton said anything like this:

I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come and… and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they're being inundated. But I don't think they're the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical-left lunatics. And I think… and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen.

And who IS the "enemy from within"?

But the thing that's tougher to handle are these lunatics that we have inside. Like Adam Schiff, Adam "Shifty" Schiff, think of it this guy's going to be a senator. He's running against a guy that doesn't understand politics at all. Garvey. But he was a good baseball player, but he doesn't understand politics at all. Adam "Shifty" Schiff, who is a total sleazebag, is going to become a senator. But I call him the enemy from within.

Those quotes come from the same interview. And there are highlighted bookends for you. And I'm SURE you will claim that his "enemy from within" who should have the US military turned against them are different from the "enemy from within" who oppose him politically. Because you have your head shoved up Trump's ass.

I already did.
She labelled a third of Americans her enemy. Where do you think the Republicans are? Somewhere outside?

Schiff is an unrepentant liar. He misused classified settings to spread lies when he knew they couldn't be countered. He claimed to have evidence he later admitted he didn't, all to gaslight you about Russia and Trump.

There's not much to like about Trump, but I despise his warmongering opponents much more than him. They've proven to be much worse for this country than he has.

I'd rather have Ron Paul, RFK Jr, and Tulsi Gabbard informing the WH view of our role in the world over the neocons.

Democrats worked to get us into WW1 and WW2, I'm not going to help them get us into WW3.

 

[RileyHawk]

I already did.
She labelled a third of Americans her enemy. Where do you think the Republicans are? Somewhere outside?

Schiff is an unrepentant liar. He misused classified settings to spread lies when he knew they couldn't be countered. He claimed to have evidence he later admitted he didn't, all to gaslight you about Russia and Trump.

There's not much to like about Trump, but I despise his warmongering opponents much more than him. They've proven to be much worse for this country than he has.

I'd rather have Ron Paul, RFK Jr, and Tulsi Gabbard informing the WH view of our role in the world over the neocons.

Democrats worked to get us into WW1 and WW2, I'm not going to help them get us into WW3.

So on point for you to claim the Democrats got the US into WWII rahter than the Japanese and Nazis.

You're such a misinformed shill.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

And yet they have vaccines in Europe...

https://scholarlycommons.law.emory.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1056&;;context=elj

In June 2017, the Court of Justice of the European Union (ECJ) provided guidance in a vaccine injury case that strikes a remarkably different balance. In E.U. countries, an injured person has the right to seek compensation in civil court and to allege that a vaccine is unreasonably dangerous or defective. The ECJ held that an injured party may bring “serious, specific and consistent evidence,” and can prevail if this evidence shows that the vaccine is “the most plausible explanation for the occurrence of the damage.”3 The plaintiff can assert this claim even if a scientific consensus that a vaccine can cause the alleged injury does not yet exist.

While some contend that this ECJ decision opens the floodgates to litigation, scholarly commentary disfavors this view. Empirical work indicates that leaving courthouse doors open elevates vaccine safety. While access to courts for vaccine injury in the United States is essentially closed, it is more open in Europe; accordingly, the ways in which developing countries proceed is at stake.

The U.S.-based Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other majorinter governmental, governmental, and private-sector actors have joined together recently to create a vaccine fund to respond to potential epidemic disease threats on a global basis. The new fund, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), has stated that it seeks to create liability protection and compensation mechanisms based on the U.S. model for vaccine liability. CEPI’s intent to export the U.S. model warrants serious consideration and caution.

LOL...sure. So explain why we were down to a single manufacturer of DPT vaccine in the 80's? Explain why companies were selling off or closing vaccine departments. "Between 1980 and 1986, people who claimed vaccine injury brought over three billion dollars of damages claims to U.S. civil courts against vaccine manufacturers". Most were dismissed...but that doesn't mitigate the cost of defending against them and a single successful claim could make an entire division unprofitable for a company.

Now...here's the kicker...from YOUR link:

In the early 1980s, a group of parents whose children were injured by the DPT vaccine formed a non-profit called Dissatisfied Parents Together, now known as the National Vaccine Information Center, to advocate for such a compensation program. In 1981, the AAP published a detailed outline of such a compensation system.

Why is that such a tell?

1) Those children were absolutely, irrefutably NOT injured by the DPT vaccine. No studies showed ANY connection - of any kind - between the DPT vaccine and the claimed injury. The alleged "vaccine-induced" brain damage proved to be an unrelated condition, infantile epilepsy. Your paper fails to provide that information making me question its interests.

2) It was THESE parents who pushed for a no-fault compensation program because they were seeing their cases - correctly - tossed from the courts.

3) "...the claimant may reject the special master’s decision if she is dissatisfied with it and file a civil suit if the Vaccine Act’s other provisions do not preempt litigation. So, while the Vaccine Act circumscribes plaintiffs’ access to state and federal courts, it does not eliminate it."

That last is also from your own link. A plaintiff, in order to sue the manufacturer, would have to demonstrate "defective manufacture or inadequate directions or warnings".

So...just out of curiosity...how would you change it?

 

[ISUBryce]

We have a couple of generations who have grown up in day care eating processed lunches to processed school lunches and then Mom picks them up at after school care and is too tired to cook so it’s through the window at McDonald’s for a Happy Meal.
The chemicals in the food have an effect over the years like it or not.

What’s the effect?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I already did.
She labelled a third of Americans her enemy. Where do you think the Republicans are? Somewhere outside?

Horseshit. That's. Not. The. Issue. Dumbass.

Did. She. Threaten. Them. With. The. US. Military?

Schiff is an unrepentant liar. He misused classified settings to spread lies when he knew they couldn't be countered. He claimed to have evidence he later admitted he didn't, all to gaslight you about Russia and Trump.

How. Does. That. Warrant. The. US. Military?

There's not much to like about Trump, but I despise his warmongering opponents much more than him. They've proven to be much worse for this country than he has.

He's. Threatened. To. Use. The. US. Military. Against. American. Citizens. Including. His. Political. Enemies.

I'd rather have Ron Paul, RFK Jr, and Tulsi Gabbard informing the WH view of our role in the world over the neocons.

Democrats worked to get us into WW1 and WW2, I'm not going to help them get us into WW3.

Maggot.

 

[Gimmered]

And the longer clip somehow makes that nonsense better? Making fun of people, name-calling, etc. I've seen better public addresses on the campaign stage at a High School for student body president.

Man, do I miss these days:

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You can be critical of your opponent without sounding/behaving like a 12-year old girl. Notice how he embraces and welcomes the Democrats and Independents rather than ostracizing them and calling them evil?

But with shit like that how could we find out Palmer was hung like a horse?

 

[seminole97]

Horseshit. That's. Not. The. Issue. Dumbass.
Did. She. Threaten. Them. With. The. US. Military?

She's horrible. You're not going to look good trying to defend this:

 

[RileyHawk]

She's horrible. You're not going to look good trying to defend this:

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You're terrible at this.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

She's horrible. You're not going to look good trying to defend this:

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Ahhh...so you're conflating Trump's public pronouncement with a private one by Clinton in an effort to mitigate Trump's "warmongering" against US citizens. Interesting strategy, maggot. Let's see how that works out for you.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Well, guess what? You don't get both. The country was facing a vaccine shortage as manufacturers pulled out of a non-profitable business. Having to defend themselves against frivolous and meritless lawsuits was becoming too costly and prior to the passage of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, there was a single manufacturer of the DPT vaccine and its cost was skyrocketing. Companies were selling off or outright closing their vaccine divisions.

So...you can hold them liable and make them deal with the onslaught of lawsuits until they just shut down that work or you can protect children. You don't get both. Choose.

Eliminating vaccines IS protecting children.

 

[seminole97]

Ahhh...so you're conflating Trump's public pronouncement with a private one by Clinton in an effort to mitigate Trump's "warmongering" against US citizens. Interesting strategy, maggot. Let's see how that works out for you.

She wanted to drone strike a whistleblower.
She's warmongering scum with literally hundreds of thousands of corpses piled up as direct consequence of the policies she supports.

Keep voting for the warmongers, maggot.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

She wanted to drone strike a whistleblower.

I condemn it. Outright. Unilaterally. I wouldn't dream of defending such a statement - unlike you. Now...go cast your vote for Trump, maggot.

 

[Tom Paris]

I think we should have vaccines and that manufacturers should be liable for any harms their products cause.

Do YOU vaccine manufacturers should have liability for their products?

You’re kind of a crazy person.

 

[hawkdave007]

Just to be clear, I agree with what RFK, jr says in that clip.

I imagine a lot of folks who got excited when he threw his hat in the ring were thinking that this was the RFK they were going to get.

My problem in this particular context, is that the things RFK says he wants to tackle make no sense when I try to imagine them as part of a Trump administration. Trump is screaming about getting rid of regulations. He doesn't like them, his big backers don't like them, they're going to be toast. The likelihood that Trump lets RFK strengthen regulations and even ban the ability of corporations to use dangerous chemicals, produce harmful products, and pollute air, water or soil . . . the very idea is ludicrous.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think RFK is probably being genuine about these concerns. They fit what I thought I knew about him 20-30 years ago. But how can he possibly believe that Trump will honor what RFK clearly seems to think are promises?

RFK Jr is sincere, I'll give him that. But he and his ilk are hippie-idealists. They are buying the Trump promises because it's the first time in decades anyone with political heft has taken them seriously.

Trump is a transactional opportunist and a really good salesman. Trump needed an energetic voting block after Kamala's coronation and he got it with RFK Jr.

RFK Jr, like many hippie-idealists, is "living in the moment". However this moment isn't his own, and the spotlight isn’t shining on him. He's merely standing in the reflection of the spotlight shining squarely on Trump. Those crowds are there to see Trump, not RFK Jr.

Nevertheless, Junior is larping a presidential campaign right now, role-playing a lifelong dream. He gets to pretend that the crowds all came out to see him, and that he's going to save the world.

Yes, food additives are an issue, and the USDA needs a major overhaul, but not one spearheaded by a non-farmer, trustifarian, political scion with a savior complex.

Trump has left a graveyard of broken promises. None of these reforms will happen, and RFK Jr will eventually fade away, disappointed like the rest, feeling like a fool for putting his faith in Trump.

 

[seminole97]

I condemn it. Outright. Unilaterally. I wouldn't dream of defending such a statement - unlike you. Now...go cast your vote for Trump, maggot.

You voted for the person who made that statement.
The person who supported policies that have literally killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in failed wars is the one you voted for.

I already cast my vote on the first day of EV in FL.

I voted against the neocons, again.

 

[goldmom]

What’s the effect?

ADHD allergies to nuts, ADD, etc. Obese children. Diabetes.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You voted for the person who made that statement.
The person who supported policies that have literally killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in failed wars is the one you voted for.

I already cast my vote on the first day of EV in FL.

I voted against the neocons, again.

You voted for Trump. We know. You defend and support a man who threatens his political enemies with jail and violence - like a fascist. You defend and support a man his own Joint Chiefs chairman called a "fascist to the core"...a man his own WH chief of staff said fit the definition of a fascist. And you, of course, will accuse them of being lying "neocons" and dismiss what Trump clearly and publicly said, and you'll dismiss the opinions of the those who worked for him and know him best. Because you've crawled up Trump's ass. Maggot.

 

[ISUBryce]

ADHD allergies to nuts, ADD, etc. Obese children. Diabetes.

Just a hunch or anything to back that up?

 

[ft254]

Now after that diatribe - I’ll ask if you’ve eaten a school lunch lately? I’ve got several family members who are teachers and another who is a dietician who have told me that public school lunches are not that healthy. Forgive me if I believe them over you 😜

Are not "that healthy". Feeding hundreds at a time is challenging and is it really expected schools maintain fresh produce AND protein rich foods? The Right bitches about money spent on everything. Processed foods are not as healthy but do provide nourishment to millions of students. Maybe the best many of them get.

Of anything you guys whine about this is really low grade.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

RFK Jr is sincere, I'll give him that. But he and his ilk are hippie-idealists. They are buying the Trump promises because it's the first time in decades anyone with political heft has taken them seriously.

Trump is a transactional opportunist and a really good salesman. Trump needed an energetic voting block after Kamala's coronation and he got it with RFK Jr.

RFK Jr, like many hippie-idealists, is "living in the moment". However this moment isn't his own, and the spotlight isn’t shining in him. He's merely standing in the reflection of the spotlight shining squarely on Trump. Those crowds are there to see Trump, not RFK Jr.

Nevertheless, Junior is larping a presidential campaign right now, role-playing a lifelong dream. He gets to pretend that that crowds all came out to see him, and that he's going to save the world.

Yes, food additives are an issue, and the USDA needs a major overhaul, but not one spearheaded by a non-farmer, trustifarian, political scion with a savior complex.

Trump has left a graveyard of broken promises. None of these reforms will happen, and RFK Jr will eventually fade away, disappointed like the rest, feeling like a fool for putting his faith in Trump.

Sounds about right.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Ahhh...so you're conflating Trump's public pronouncement with a private one by Clinton in an effort to mitigate Trump's "warmongering" against US citizens. Interesting strategy, maggot. Let's see how that works out for you.

Why are you defending Hillary? Trump's comments are inexcusable and so were some of Hillary's - including this one.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Eliminating vaccines IS protecting children.

All of them?

 

[ft254]

All of them?

Sure.

We need Polio,
We need Small Pox.

Hell, let's do away with penicillin and we can have rampant TB and infections all over the place.

These MAGAs are really smart.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Why are you defending Hillary? Trump's comments are inexcusable and so were some of Hillary's - including this one.

I guess you missed this...

I condemn it. Outright. Unilaterally. I wouldn't dream of defending such a statement - unlike you. Now...go cast your vote for Trump, maggot.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Sure.

We need Polio,
We need Small Pox.

Hell, let's do away with penicillin and we can have rampant TB and infections all over the place.

These MAGAs are really smart.

The well-off will get their vaccines. Who cares if the little people die?

Advances in automation and AI will make most "ordinary" humans surplus to requirements, as the Brits say. So let pestilence and disease thin the herd.

MSDGA - Make Social Darwinism Great Again

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I guess you missed this...

Ah. Thanks.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

All of them?

The more the merrier. My kids have never had any vaccines and they’re extremely healthy. If they’re ignorant to get them after they turn 18 that’s on them, I guess.

Sure.

We need Polio,
We need Small Pox.

Hell, let's do away with penicillin and we can have rampant TB and infections all over the place.

These MAGAs are really smart.

MAGA is a Pharma whore and the Godfather of the useless covid ‘vaccine’, as well as the architect (along with Fauci) of the ‘two weeks’ policy that skullf***ed our economy?

Why would I support anything to do with that, 🤡?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

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You could put Trump's official portrait in there and it would still be fvcked up.

 

[Chishawk1425]

You could put Trump's official portrait in there and it would still be fvcked up.

Nah this is fantastic

 

[bdcolt45er]

The more the merrier. My kids have never had any vaccines and they’re extremely healthy. If they’re ignorant to get them after they turn 18 that’s on them, I guess.

Free rider problem. If we are going to bring up anecdotal experiences. I have taken care of infants with pertussis because somebody like you decided to not have their teenager vaccinated to and ended up exposing an infant. Imagine having to cough but not being able to move secretions, your airway swelling making it hard to breathe. Pertussis is awful in infants

 

[ISUBryce]

Now after that diatribe - I’ll ask if you’ve eaten a school lunch lately? I’ve got several family members who are teachers and another who is a dietician who have told me that public school lunches are not that healthy. Forgive me if I believe them over you 😜

They aren’t great, but they have a mandate to keep them cheap and get the kids in and out of the lunchroom in basically 20 minutes.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Free rider problem. If we are going to bring up anecdotal experiences. I have taken care of infants with pertussis because somebody like you decided to not have their teenager vaccinated to and ended up exposing an infant. Imagine having to cough but not being able to move secretions, your airway swelling making it hard to breathe. Pertussis is awful in infants

I’m familiar with pertussis, thanks.

Now do autism, SIDS and the countless autoimmune disorders afflicting the vaccinated kids in this country.

 

[QChawks]

 

[bdcolt45er]

I’m familiar with pertussis, thanks.

Now do autism, SIDS and the countless autoimmune disorders afflicting the vaccinated kids in this country.

You could at least thank the rest of us for protecting your kids with herd immunity while you endanger others infant children.

What do you mean now do autism, sids, and countless autoimmune disease? You need to provide evidence. You are making the claim not me.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

You could at least thank the rest of us for protecting your kids with herd immunity while you endanger others infant children.

What do you mean now do autism, sids, and countless autoimmune disease? You need to provide evidence. You are making the claim not me.

Seems like even healthcare workers are waking up to the uselessness of vaccines (per CDC).

Coverage with COVID-19 vaccination among health care personnel in nursing homes decreased from 22.8% during the 2022–23 respiratory virus season to 10.5% during the 2023–24 respiratory virus season (6). During the same period, COVID-19 vaccination coverage among health care personnel in acute care hospitals decreased from 17.8% to 15.3%.

 

[RileyHawk]

I’m familiar with pertussis, thanks.

Now do autism, SIDS and the countless autoimmune disorders afflicting the vaccinated kids in this country.

Are you saying vaccines cause autism, SIDS and other autoimmune disorders?

 

[nelly02]

Can you show me where Clinton said anything like this:

I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come and… and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they're being inundated. But I don't think they're the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical-left lunatics. And I think… and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen.

And who IS the "enemy from within"?

But the thing that's tougher to handle are these lunatics that we have inside. Like Adam Schiff, Adam "Shifty" Schiff, think of it this guy's going to be a senator. He's running against a guy that doesn't understand politics at all. Garvey. But he was a good baseball player, but he doesn't understand politics at all. Adam "Shifty" Schiff, who is a total sleazebag, is going to become a senator. But I call him the enemy from within.

Those quotes come from the same interview. And there are highlighted bookends for you. And I'm SURE you will claim that his "enemy from within" who should have the US military turned against them are different from the "enemy from within" who oppose him politically. Because you have your head shoved up Trump's ass.

What's crazy about this is I have no doubt Garvey would be infinitely better in the political arena than Trump has ever been. He definitely understands politics and life in general way better than Trump ever could. Yet here is Trump close to being president again and Garvey has no shot (not saying Garvey should schiff is a better option just saying how trump says Garvey isn't someone who should be in the political arena when he would be out of this world a better option than Trump himself)

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Now after that diatribe - I’ll ask if you’ve eaten a school lunch lately? I’ve got several family members who are teachers and another who is a dietician who have told me that public school lunches are not that healthy. Forgive me if I believe them over you 😜

So they're better but not yet good enough?

And your solution is to support the party that mocks the efforts to make them better.

MAGA logic.