Why is our strenght of schedule ranked so low with the NET?

[hawkland14]

We have the 3rd toughest schedule according to KenPom and 6th according to Sagarin but when looking at the NET our schedule ranks in the 90's. Someone that understands the metrics with NET how is it possible that the discrepancy is the far apart. I feel like that is why our NET is not higher. Michigan jumps five spots yesterday with a win at home over a team with a lower NET than our opponent who we beat on the road? Ive seen the formula but still not totally understanding how that works and we always seem to be on the short end when it comes to the NET ranking which will cost us come seed time.

 

[ICWestfan]

 

[thirdandpunting]

All the other conferences are gonna get their come uppins come March

 

[paladinhawk]

I blame Iowa State....

The real reason, as I understand it, is that the NCAA uses an idiotic formula that only looks at the Opponent Winning Percentage. It doesn't take into consideration how good or bad the teams Iowa's opponents played. So in the Big10 where there is a lot of parity the SOS is going to drop as teams like Minnesota have a roughly .500 winning percentage.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I don't follow the rankings, but I think DePaul and ISU are hurting Iowa. They were much better teams when Iowa played them than they have been for the past couple of months. Iowa needs to figure out how to eliminate the over 300 teams from their early schedule, and replace them with some 200ish teams.

 

[hawkland14]

I don't follow the rankings, but I think DePaul and ISU are hurting Iowa. They were much better teams when Iowa played them than they have been for the past couple of months. Iowa needs to figure out how to eliminate the over 300 teams from their early schedule, and replace them with some 200ish teams.

ISU is still considered a quad 1 win. How is that hurting our schedule?

 

[Underscore2]

It's the sub 300 NET teams. Just one of those brings a team down a significant amount, in the NET, from what I can tell.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

ISU is still considered a quad 1 win. How is that hurting our schedule?

Like I said, I don't follow the rankings, and I just assumed that a loss to sub .500 team would hurt.

 

[jhawkinaz]

ISU is still considered a quad 1 win. How is that hurting our schedule?

Thought I saw ISU dropped from a Quad 1 win?

 

[Eternal Return]

Nebraska's in the 170s the last time I checked a couple weeks ago. They might be even lower now. Playing them twice didn't help. Playing Northwestern didn't help, either. Even though Iowa played SDSU, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, and Syracuse in nonconference, they also played Kennesaw State, SIUE, Oral Roberts, N. Florida, and Cal Poly. Iowa's SOS will continue to improve, though, because the rest of the games are Quad 1.

As far as Michigan jumping 5 spots while Iowa didn't, Iowa lost to Indiana the same week and they had a NET of 51 or 52 at the time (Quad 2).

 

[Ronman]

I was told there would be no math!

 

[LincolnHawkeye]

Nebraska's in the 170s the last time I checked a couple weeks ago. They might be even lower now. Playing them twice didn't help. Playing Northwestern didn't help, either. Even though Iowa played SDSU, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, and Syracuse in nonconference, they also played Kennesaw State, SIUE, Oral Roberts, N. Florida, and Cal Poly. Iowa's SOS will continue to improve, though, because the rest of the games are Quad 1.

As far as Michigan jumping 5 spots while Iowa didn't, Iowa lost to Indiana the same week and they had a NET of 51 or 52 at the time (Quad 2).

Indiana game was on the road so it’s still a quad 1 loss (1-75). All of Iowa’s remaining games are quad 1 games as long as Purdue stays in the top 30.

 

[His Hawkness]

Does anyone have a link for NET SOS? I can't ever find that metric.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I don't follow the rankings, but I think DePaul and ISU are hurting Iowa. They were much better teams when Iowa played them than they have been for the past couple of months. Iowa needs to figure out how to eliminate the over 300 teams from their early schedule, and replace them with some 200ish teams.

Like UNI?.......

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Like UNI?.......

As long as they don't expect a home and home series, which ain't gonna happen, at least while Fran is at Iowa.

 

[aurorabimmer]

As long as they don't expect a home and home series, which ain't gonna happen, at least while Fran is at Iowa.

Only in Carver and not every year. Maybe once every 10 years at UNI.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Only in Carver and not every year. Maybe once every 10 years at UNI.

I would be OK with most years, but not on their court.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

They can't get out of playing a bad nebby team. But they can definitely minimize exposure to the really low end like Kennesaw.
I'm all for the NET harshly punishing teams when they play opponents that are 300+.

 

[paladinhawk]

Does anyone have a link for NET SOS? I can't ever find that metric.

The best I can find is that SOS is listed on the 'nitty-gritty' sheets:

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/net-nitty-team

This NCAA sheet is easier to read:

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats Library/NET Nitty Gritty - Feb. 16, 2020.pdf

 

[Eternal Return]

Indiana game was on the road so it’s still a quad 1 loss (1-75). All of Iowa’s remaining games are quad 1 games as long as Purdue stays in the top 30.

Ah, I didn't realize Quad 1 went to 75. In that case, Northwestern (157 NET) and Nebraska (175 NET) are Quad 3 teams?

 

[CookyMonster]

They can't get out of playing a bad nebby team. But they can definitely minimize exposure to the really low end like Kennesaw.
I'm all for the NET harshly punishing teams when they play opponents that are 300+.

Why? It is a meaningless fill in game that really shouldnt matter if its a team ranked 220 or 310.

 

[SotaHawk87]

There was a thread on this a while back and yes it’s bull crap.

Duke has played FOUR Kenpom top 40 teams this year. Iowa has played FOURTEEN. Screw the +300 games it’s a joke that Dukes SOS is 15 and Iowa’s is 87.

 

[SotaHawk87]

The good news is I do think the committee sees the discrepancy. I think that was a big reason Iowa was still mentioned during the top 16 reveal despite having but been blown out and having their NET take a huge hit.

 

[paladinhawk]

Ah, I didn't realize Quad 1 went to 75. In that case, Northwestern (157 NET) and Nebraska (175 NET) are Quad 3 teams?

The win against Nebraska in Carver is a Quad 4; the games on the road against Nebby and NW are Quad 3. Quad 1 is top 75 on the road, top 50 neutral court, or top 30 home game.

 

[El Simbolo]

Why? It is a meaningless fill in game that really shouldnt matter if its a team ranked 220 or 310.

I agree it shouldn’t matter, but since it DOES and if there’s really no diff between playing 220 vs 310, we absolutely need to schedule 220. How hard is that to do? Do they demand higher payouts?