Why Not Cheat?

[Ronman]

Watching the Wiseman/Hardaway situation unfolding in Memphis and seeing known recent cheaters Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona (not to mention UNC and Auburn) all in the Top 25, it makes you wonder why not cheat? Seems as if the NCAA is only willing to give certain schools a light tap on the wrist as punishment and then they go on their merry ways. I guess if you're going to play by the rules, you are committed to competing with a disadvantage to those who aren't.

 

[stender72865]

Integrity. That's why.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Go back and watch what really happened to Pedo St. AFTER the NCAA announced all the draconian penalties. Pedo St. was involved in the worst scandal ever, and it was institutional at the highest levels and not just limited to a crooked athletic department.

 

[hawkeyemark56]

I look at this like I do alot of things in life it is what it is. You can't control what other people do or in this case what other schools do you only have control of how you carry yourself. So it comes down to what life is all about making choices.

Winning and losing in sports is just not that important enough to me to see my university cheat and break the established rules to stay even with the big boys. Not keeping up at times can get frustrating but I feel proud of how Iowa runs their athletic programs in that regard.

I have hopes that the new rules that allow college athletes to earn money off their likeness can get the shoe companies out of paying players and their families at these schools where we all know it happens. Whether it works out that way or not I have no idea. But one can hope.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

Watching the Wiseman/Hardaway situation unfolding in Memphis and seeing known recent cheaters Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona (not to mention UNC and Auburn) all in the Top 25, it makes you wonder why not cheat? Seems as if the NCAA is only willing to give certain schools a light tap on the wrist as punishment and then they go on their merry ways. I guess if you're going to play by the rules, you are committed to competing with a disadvantage to those who aren't.

Easy...a program like Iowa would get the death penalty. The programs you mention the “blue bloods” it is “good for basketball” if they are good. So a slap on the wrist.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Easy...a program like Iowa would get the death penalty. The programs you mention the “blue bloods” it is “good for basketball” if they are good. So a slap on the wrist.

No program will ever get “the death penalty” again After SMU. If Auburn and Baylor didn’t get it, no school will ever get it again.

 

[amahawk]

I think sports should evolve into more club like entities and a separation of semi pro systems and universities.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

No program will ever get “the death penalty” again After SMU. If Auburn and Baylor didn’t get it, no school will ever get it again.

how do you explain Lickliter?

 

[oldgoldhawk]

how do you explain Lickliter?

Suicide

 

[wj]

Anyone who suggests cheating is acceptable in order to win, whatever the winning, is worse than the original cheater.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Anyone who suggests cheating is acceptable in order to win, whatever the winning, is worse than the original cheater.

Top notch virtue signaling but dubious logic.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Easy...a program like Iowa would get the death penalty. The programs you mention the “blue bloods” it is “good for basketball” if they are good. So a slap on the wrist.

Exactly. You read these stories about a coach buying a kid a hamburger or giving them a ride in a golf cart outside of the window these things are allowed and there are immediate penalties handed out. You have a complete lack of institutional control (PSU, MSU) and blatant taped transgressions at AZ and KU and nothing happens. The NCAA will throw the book at KU and make them vacate 10 wins from 5 years ago to show them they mean business. T

 

[hawkland14]

If we like being mediocre at best, then sure lets keep not cheating. If we want to win, lets bring a Rick Pitino type in and start getting top recruits that can actually move laterally at a D1 level. Look at what Scott Drew has done at Baylor. One of the worst programs during the 90's in the and then had a murder take place within its team.. Now its a perennial top 20 team with great athletes. But let's care about integrity in a sport and organization like the NCAA that has none.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

If we’re going to cheat...do it in football.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

Now that we can pay players there's no need to cheat, just find some booster willing to buy 10,000 shirts @ 25.00 with Dytavious T. Jones name on the back...

 

[MikeT2425]

Maybe we are cheating, but like our defense, we are not very good at it.

 

[hawkeyemark56]

If we like being mediocre at best, then sure lets keep not cheating. If we want to win, lets bring a Rick Pitino type in and start getting top recruits that can actually move laterally at a D1 level. Look at what Scott Drew has done at Baylor. One of the worst programs during the 90's in the and then had a murder take place within its team.. Now its a perennial top 20 team with great athletes. But let's care about integrity in a sport and organization like the NCAA that has none.

We all have our own takes on this and none of us will change anybody else's mind on it. I will only say this. Starting to enter the golden years you really start to see that it matters very little in the grand scheme of things what you did in life or in sports how much you won or lost. When you get to the end of the road it only matters what you stood for and what kind of life you lived. What hills did you stand on in life? Everything else just amounts to window dressing.

 

[Ronman]

I'm not advocating for cheating. I just think that a lot of schools, more successful than Iowa, are at least bending the rules and a few of the big boys are totally ignoring them, knowing they will survive the wrath of the NCAA. Too big to fail.

I've been around for awhile and I would just like to see another B1G Championship and Final Four appearance in my lifetime. Hell, even the Cubs finally broke through and won the big one, and a lot of us Cub fans thought that would NEVER happen.

 

[anon_qczsdwtnv6esw]

I'm not advocating for cheating. I just think that a lot of schools, more successful than Iowa, are at least bending the rules and a few of the big boys are totally ignoring them, knowing they will survive the wrath of the NCAA. Too big to fail.

I've been around for awhile and I would just like to see another B1G Championship and Final Four appearance in my lifetime. Hell, even the Cubs finally broke through and won the big one, and a lot of us Cub fans thought that would NEVER happen.

Fran already is getting free tuition for 2 of his players....his kids. So thats kinda bending the rules. Ha. But I agree with you, bending the rules here and there wouldnt be such a bad thing.

 

[anon_gjzkhykcp9iuj]

We all have our own takes on this and none of us will change anybody else's mind on it. I will only say this. Starting to enter the golden years you really start to see that it matters very little in the grand scheme of things what you did in life or in sports how much you won or lost. When you get to the end of the road it only matters what you stood for and what kind of life you lived. What hills did you stand on in life? Everything else just amounts to window dressing.

That is just an old person's way of saying my way is best, I know better, and those of you with lofty expectations or different opinions don't know anything and aren't wise enough to know. And that is not to say I advocate cheating.

 

[blhawk]

I'd just be happy with a coach who can land instate kids who grew up Hawk fans and can coach D too, not just O

 

[Hawk_4shur]

"Of the 3 million identity theft and fraud reports received in 2018, 1.4 million were fraud-related, and 25 percent of those cases reported money was lost. In 2018, consumers reported losing about $1.48 billion related to fraud complaints, an increase of $406 million from 2017."

Man, that's a lot of dough. Why don't we commit fraud?

 

[HawkRugged17]

 

[NevadaHawk]

I lived in Las Vegas during the Jerry Tarkanian era at UNLV. It was no secret they were cheating but the fan rationale was "everybody does it". Once the scandal broke the program went downhill in a hurry and has never been the same since. You keep cheating, you will get caught. Not worth it in my view.

 

[HawkRugged17]

I lived in Las Vegas during the Jerry Tarkanian era at UNLV. It was no secret they were cheating but the fan rationale was "everybody does it". Once the scandal broke the program went downhill in a hurry and has never been the same since. You keep cheating, you will get caught. Not worth it in my view.

 

[hawkeyemark56]

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That is just an old person's way of saying my way is best, I know better, and those of you with lofty expectations or different opinions don't know anything and aren't wise enough to know. And that is not to say I advocate cheating.

I should probably have ignored this but not saying that at all. And at 62 and working out with a trainer four days a week lifting I don't consider myself old With age comes the wisdom that one size doesn't fit all and if you have any sense at all you learn to appreciate where other people are coming from. You just start to see things a little differently.

 

[katman15]

Barta didn't develop or install this Do it Right and Graduate. From Nile Kinnick to Bump Elliott, Coach Olson
Coach Ferentz,,,and many more- this is what Iowa is about...Will some try to cheat, maybe but for those of us that have been involved with the Athletic program- doing things right,putting in the extra effort to do the little things and doing it with class are important descriptives of being a HAWK...

 

[Franisdaman]

Watching the Wiseman/Hardaway situation unfolding in Memphis and seeing known recent cheaters Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona (not to mention UNC and Auburn) all in the Top 25, it makes you wonder why not cheat? Seems as if the NCAA is only willing to give certain schools a light tap on the wrist as punishment and then they go on their merry ways. I guess if you're going to play by the rules, you are committed to competing with a disadvantage to those who aren't.

I was told that cheaters always lose. Was I lied to?

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

We all have our own takes on this and none of us will change anybody else's mind on it. I will only say this. Starting to enter the golden years you really start to see that it matters very little in the grand scheme of things what you did in life or in sports how much you won or lost. When you get to the end of the road it only matters what you stood for and what kind of life you lived. What hills did you stand on in life? Everything else just amounts to window dressing.

The longer you live the more you realize how important integrity is.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

I lived in Las Vegas during the Jerry Tarkanian era at UNLV. It was no secret they were cheating but the fan rationale was "everybody does it". Once the scandal broke the program went downhill in a hurry and has never been the same since. You keep cheating, you will get caught. Not worth it in my view.

Truth. I guess a good question would be. Would you like to win a couple of National Championships and then suck for 30 years?

 

[4409]

Barta didn't develop or install this Do it Right and Graduate. From Nile Kinnick to Bump Elliott, Coach Olson
Coach Ferentz,,,and many more- this is what Iowa is about...Will some try to cheat, maybe but for those of us that have been involved with the Athletic program- doing things right,putting in the extra effort to do the little things and doing it with class are important descriptives of being a HAWK...

Apparently our Volleyball coach didn't get this memo??

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I have hopes that the new rules that allow college athletes to earn money off their likeness can get the shoe companies out of paying players and their families at these schools where we all know it happens. Whether it works out that way or not I have no idea. But one can hope.

Doubtful. Probably just make it easier for them.....

 

[H4wkfan4life]

"Of the 3 million identity theft and fraud reports received in 2018, 1.4 million were fraud-related, and 25 percent of those cases reported money was lost. In 2018, consumers reported losing about $1.48 billion related to fraud complaints, an increase of $406 million from 2017."

Man, that's a lot of dough. Why don't we commit fraud?

because the poors(iowa) still get in trouble for it, unlike the trumps(unc, ku etc)

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Watching the Wiseman/Hardaway situation unfolding in Memphis and seeing known recent cheaters Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona (not to mention UNC and Auburn) all in the Top 25, it makes you wonder why not cheat? Seems as if the NCAA is only willing to give certain schools a light tap on the wrist as punishment and then they go on their merry ways. I guess if you're going to play by the rules, you are committed to competing with a disadvantage to those who aren't.

Because I don't allow it.

Simple as that.

 

[mtdew_fever]

Who says Fran isnt trying to cheat and it's not working so far?

Watching the Wiseman/Hardaway situation unfolding in Memphis and seeing known recent cheaters Louisville, Kansas, and Arizona (not to mention UNC and Auburn) all in the Top 25, it makes you wonder why not cheat? Seems as if the NCAA is only willing to give certain schools a light tap on the wrist as punishment and then they go on their merry ways. I guess if you're going to play by the rules, you are committed to competing with a disadvantage to those who aren't.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

You could take this question to our society in general. If you look at what is going on in Washington, and around the world, there is no integrity, and cheating is how you establish power. College sports is similar.

 

[hawkeyemark56]

Who says Fran isnt trying to cheat and it's not working so far?

I like the fact that Fran came out of Philly so knows the game and operates with his eyes wide open in the cesspool of college basketball. He has his flaws as a head coach but I will take his integrity any day and Sunday. Not a great recruiter for sure but a whole lot of things go into not having recruiting success at Iowa. Lots of issues in the administration of Iowa athletics but the culture won't permit cheating in a big time program like football or mens basketball IMO.

 

[chuck285]

Anyone who suggests cheating is acceptable in order to win, whatever the winning, is worse than the original cheater.

You must not watch soccer

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Integrity. That's why.

"Integrity" and "college sports" don't exactly go hand in hand...........

I personally don't care. To me, it's just basketball. No more, no less. Would I rather do it clean? Of course. I just think it's VERY HIGHLY UNLIKELY to win big at a school like Iowa without a coaching staff that pushes the envelope a bit.

Do I personally have anything to answer for if I am a fan of a team that has bent the rules? No. I seriously doubt that I will have to answer for my Hawkeye fandom on judgment day if Fran decides to cheat and pay some players to come to Iowa.

So for me, it's not a matter of integrity. Just how I choose to spend my spare time (following a medicore program or a winning one). For me, it's entertainment.

 

[walleye hunter16]

Anyone who suggests cheating is acceptable in order to win, whatever the winning, is worse than the original cheater.

Thats funny.
The guys that thinks about it is worse than the actual offender.
Solid reasoning.