ADVERTISEMENT

Why so glum, fellow Hawk fans?

torbee

HB King
Gold Member
Is the general question posed in this week's TwT:

Tuesdays with Torbee​

Any time the Hawkeyes can leave Evanston with a win it's cause for a celebration.



Tory Brecht
Columnist


Whoever coined the phrase “winning fixes everything” clearly never looked at postgame Iowa fan Twitter or online message boards.

Maybe it was because we enjoyed an unseasonably warm fishing day out on the lake prior to kick off or maybe it was low expectations after seeing the Wisconsin butt-kicking in person, but my angling buddy and I quite enjoyed the Iowa victory over Northwestern Saturday evening.

Following the much-needed, losing-streak-stopping victory, I logged online to share feelings of relief and anticipation for the homestretch of the season with my fellow Hawkeye fans.
At first I wondered if I’d stroked out or something and Iowa had actually lost. So much anger and vitriol! The number of alleged Iowa fans who insist a less-than-pretty win over a lousy Northwestern team means Iowa is doomed to lose all of its remaining games was shocking to me.

Have they never seen an Iowa-Northwestern game before?

Anytime Iowa ends up on the right side of the score line against Pat Fitzgerald, it’s cause for celebration to me. Not to mention we got to see a running back eclipse 100 yards and a quarterback make quick twitch decisions and lead the Hawks on back-to-back touchdown drives for the first time in an eternity.

I get people being frustrated with putting the brakes on any semblance of aggressive offense in the second half. But again, I must ask, have you never an Iowa-Northwestern game before!!??

I didn’t engage with the Twitter mob – no one likes “true fan police” – but I was a bit bemused. Considering nearly every pre-season prediction had Iowa at between 7 and 9 regular season wins, sitting 7-2 with a pretty soft remaining trio of Minnesota and Illinois at home and Nebraska on the road is absolutely where most expected and hoped Iowa to be at this point of the season.

Yeah, getting there has been ugly. The offense often looks like that tanker that got jammed up in the Suez Canal last spring – impossible to get moving and stuck in neutral, going nowhere. But I guess I’m of the Herm Edwards (You play to win the game) and Al Davis (Just win, baby) school. Iowa desperately needed a win, and it dispatched Northwestern without too much drama, if a noticeable lack of panache.

The outrage over the Ferentzian brain trust going boa constrictor/turtle/conservative strategy in the second half also puzzles me. This is always going to be how Kirk and Brian Ferentz try to win football games.

And guess what? It almost always works.

Did you know Iowa is undefeated in games it has led at halftime this season? Did you know Iowa is 18-2 since 2019 when it has led – no matter how scantily – at halftime? In fact, the only two losses in that span came in Spencer Petras first two starts in 2020 (Iowa was up 17-14 on Purdue before falling by 4 points and up 20-14 on Northwestern before losing by 1 that season.)

Let me repeat: in 20 games over three seasons employing the ultra-conservative, bleed-the-clock-even-with-a-small-lead strategy, Iowa has gone 18-2 with the only two losses coming by a combined 5 points.
Now, neither I nor my propensity for high blood pressure like this approach. I’m too emotional watching games to enjoy a white knuckle ride in the fourth quarter typically highlighted by ineffective run plays into a stacked box and praying the defense will make yet another stop. But I’ve also come to terms that this is Iowa football under Kirk Ferentz. And he’s pretty good at it.

Interestingly, Iowa actually is 4-5 over that same time period even when trailing at halftime. This tells me that playing in the margins and keeping it close is where this program feels most comfortable, and of late, has actually been quite successful. Yes, like many of you, I often feel like this is playing with fire and there will come a day (hopefully not too soon) when Iowa’s offensive hyper-conservatism costs them late. But that day has not yet come in 2021.

My view is Iowa had to stop the bleeding last Saturday in Evanston, and did. It even did so with a splash of much-needed adrenaline in the form of Alex Padilla. If you believe, as I do, that the coaching staff purposefully took the foot off the gas on offense for much of the second half, there is still reason to believe the “new-and-improved” offense can spark against the remaining slate of opponents.

Padilla and a slowly improving (and healing) offensive line will not face another Penn State, Wisconsin or even Purdue-level defense. And Iowa’s own defense should be able to shut down an Illini team that can’t pass, a Minnesota team that couldn’t muster a single touchdown against Illinois or a Nebraska squad that loves shooting itself in the foot and just canned its entire offensive coaching staff.
Maybe I’m delusional, but despite the “ugly” win this week, I’m bullish on Iowa’s chances of sweeping its last three.

Have a little faith, fellow fans!

Follow me on Twitter @ToryBrecht
 
Some much needed perspective here, torbee. It is what Iowa football has become under Kirk. And the bottom line is, it is about winning games and there are no “style points” awarded to determine who wins.
 
We can sweep our last 3 but wisky has the keys to the Big Championship. It sucks when we don’t have control of our own path to make the championship. Also, how the hell did it take Ferentz this long to see the obvious?
Does he actually see it? Who will start at QB Saturday?
 
Kirk's game plan has always been to play a
conservative, mistake free offense which
takes no risks. The defense is counted on
to get stops and hold the opposition to 3
downs most of the time.

Bottom Line: KIrk gets his wins with the
same formula for over 20 years at Iowa.
 
Over these many years with Kirk I can recall at least twice when I was an inch away from wanting him gone. He always seemd to rise from the ashes just in the nick of time. Is he doing it once again? We'll see. But for the moment at least I can hear myself thinking "What Torbee said".
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hendy hawk
It has nothing to do with winning or losing anymore.

Fans that only care about wins and losses are often misguided, and those that don't care at all and are just happy with positive outcomes, never really set expectations in the first place.

Wasting talent in the time frame that it is on campus is one of the biggest issues Iowa currently is not dealing with, that I strongly recommend they f***ing fix..........that would go a long ways towards better-supporting the whole "as long as they just win" mantra.

Just sayin.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 83Hawk
It has nothing to do with winning or losing anymore.

Fans that only care about wins and losses are often misguided, and those that don't care at all and are just happy with positive outcomes, never really set expectations in the first place.

Wasting talent in the time frame that it is on campus is one of the biggest issues Iowa currently is not dealing with, that I strongly recommend they f***ing fix..........that would go a long ways towards better-supporting the whole "as long as they just win" mantra.

Just sayin.
I really don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that college sports fans should care more about how their teams look while performing than whether they win or lose? Is this a sarcastic take that I'm missing?
 
Does he actually see it? Who will start at QB Saturday?
This is where I’m at. I enjoyed the NW win, but I will be SHOCKED if Padilla gets the nod.

Post game Kirk didn’t seem like they had made a change. It kind of reminded me of when beathard got in vs Pitt in 2014, sparked the offense….got a win, then beat Purdue the next week and Rudock comes back healed up….we all know how that turned out, the Hawkslayer bowl.

It’s going to be incredibly disappointing if they trot Petras out and put the offense back into neutral (or reverse) for good to finish the season. Padilla may not be THE answer, but we have seen that hes a better answer.
 
Also, how the hell did it take Ferentz this long to see the obvious?
18-28 for 172 with no TD's against one of CFB's worst defenses really isn't "the obvious" you think it is.

Who has a better sample size from which to work off? Us fans or the coaches? If Padilla threw 7 interceptions in practice last week, we'd never know, would we?

I'm excited about our new QB - his upside seems way higher than Petras's, but as a coach, I know that the people in the stands on game day don't know jack shit about what happens in practice on Monday, who can do what with regularity, who's a straight up jackoff or a headcase, or who knows his responsibility on any particular play. Literally every single thing someone in the stands says about a player they haven't seen in practice every single day is pulled straight from their ass, full stop.
 
18-28 for 172 with no TD's against one of CFB's worst defenses really isn't "the obvious" you think it is.

Who has a better sample size from which to work off? Us fans or the coaches? If Padilla threw 7 interceptions in practice last week, we'd never know, would we?

I'm excited about our new QB - his upside seems way higher than Petras's, but as a coach, I know that the people in the stands on game day don't know jack shit about what happens in practice on Monday, who can do what with regularity, who's a straight up jackoff or a headcase, or who knows his responsibility on any particular play. Literally every single thing someone in the stands says about a player they haven't seen in practice every single day is pulled straight from their ass, full stop.
<Insert AI “we talking about practice” clip here>

A player that is practice perfect may not be worth a hill of beans when the chips are down.
 
We can sweep our last 3 but wisky has the keys to the Big Championship. It sucks when we don’t have control of our own path to make the championship. Also, how the hell did it take Ferentz this long to see the obvious?
My dream scenario is Nebraska upsets Wisconsin and Nebraska fans are all full of hope of the glory days returning.....then the Hawks truck them by 40.

Oh....and the Boilers lose by 2 to OSU.
 
Padilla led Iowa to 3 points and 117 total yards of offense in the second half. Let’s not start thinking he’s the second coming of Chuck Hartlieb.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: binsfeldcyhawk2
18-28 for 172 with no TD's against one of CFB's worst defenses really isn't "the obvious" you think it is.

Who has a better sample size from which to work off? Us fans or the coaches? If Padilla threw 7 interceptions in practice last week, we'd never know, would we?

I'm excited about our new QB - his upside seems way higher than Petras's, but as a coach, I know that the people in the stands on game day don't know jack shit about what happens in practice on Monday, who can do what with regularity, who's a straight up jackoff or a headcase, or who knows his responsibility on any particular play. Literally every single thing someone in the stands says about a player they haven't seen in practice every single day is pulled straight from their ass, full stop.
True.....but some players are better in games than practice. I think coach Patterson said as much about Chuck Hartlieb.....turned it up a notch in games....McGuire was the better practice guy.

I totally believe Petras has been the best in practice.....
 
  • Like
Reactions: anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
18-28 for 172 with no TD's against one of CFB's worst defenses really isn't "the obvious" you think it is.

Who has a better sample size from which to work off? Us fans or the coaches? If Padilla threw 7 interceptions in practice last week, we'd never know, would we?

I'm excited about our new QB - his upside seems way higher than Petras's, but as a coach, I know that the people in the stands on game day don't know jack shit about what happens in practice on Monday, who can do what with regularity, who's a straight up jackoff or a headcase, or who knows his responsibility on any particular play. Literally every single thing someone in the stands says about a player they haven't seen in practice every single day is pulled straight from their ass, full stop.
I mean tape don’t lie. Petras is trash and even Dan Orvolosky was pointing out all of the things during the Wisconsin game I was saying about him on his pocket presence and getting rid of the ball quicker. We needed to do something different before NW on offense unless you like 14 pts in 2 games and on top of that having a bye week going into Wisconsin to put up that type of offensive performance.
 
Padilla led Iowa to 3 points and 117 total yards of offense in the second half. Let’s not start thinking he’s the second coming of Chuck Hartlieb.
He wasn't asked nor did he have the opportunity to do much more. From Chad L's tremendous video review piece yesterday:

Looking into Iowa’s third-down struggles​

Northwestern entered the game as one of the worst third-down defenses in the Big Ten but held Iowa to 2-for-14 for the game. The first three were when Petras was at quarterback. Then Iowa converted two of its first three with Padilla, including on a sweet 19-yard throw to Tyler Goodson.

But what happened as Iowa missed its last eight third-down tries?

Well, the last one was a kneel-down. So throw that out.

On a third-and-6 deep shot early in the third quarter, Jones was blatantly held by his cornerback but there was no call. Padilla's ball might have been on target for a touchdown if not for that full jersey tug. Bad break for Iowa there.

Mostly, there were some ultra-conservative calls, like a third-and-9 run from Northwestern's 10-yard line. Or the third-and-5 run from Northwestern's 38 in the fourth. That was more Kirk Ferentz than Brian. This was a game the head coach wanted to play it safe with an 11- or 14-point lead.
 
Padilla led Iowa to 3 points and 117 total yards of offense in the second half. Let’s not start thinking he’s the second coming of Chuck Hartlieb.
A lot of that had to do with the conservative play-calling after Iowa went up 17-3.

The last 4 Iowa possession, they had 6 pass plays (one ending up in a sack for a loss of zero yards) and all of them safe underneath passes, and 8 running plays.
 
I think for some people enjoyment/satisfaction is highly correlated with wins and losses but is not the only factor.

Our offense is not all that entertaining to watch, even when it's operating with "success" that often means ball control, field position, eating clock, etc.

No complaints about the defense from an effectiveness perspective, or entertainment when you factor in our ability to generate turnovers. There are times though where the bend but don't break style can be frustrating when teams like Northwestern or Purdue have their quarterbacks dialed in with well disciplined attacks.

No issues with special teams, certainly not an area to be disappointed or lacks "entertainment".

Kind of reminds me of Wisconsin basketball a bit under Ryan, or even VA basketball. The results need to justify the style, because the style leaves a lot to be desired. If you're not a fan of Iowa or their opponent, I can't imagine there's all that much interest in watching our games. I'm not some Big 12 air raid fan that only likes offense, I appreciate good defense and special teams, but our offense is incredibly inept in execution and scheme.

Factor in the #2 ranking and pie in the sky expectations and it's no wonder some people are not so cheery even after a win.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greenway4Prez
We were in CFP discussion 4 weeks ago, now we ain't even goin' to Indy.

There's a lot missing from the above sentence, but that's what it boils down. It's also magnified by the fact that this is not an anomalous story or progression under KF and Biff.
 
Mostly, there were some ultra-conservative calls, like a third-and-9 run from Northwestern's 10-yard line.
Immediately after an incomplete pass to Keagan Johnson in the end zone on second down. I get that Padilla provided a much needed spark in the first half. But Iowa's offense spent most of the second half spinning its wheels again.
Or the third-and-5 run from Northwestern's 38 in the fourth. That was more Kirk Ferentz than Brian. This was a game the head coach wanted to play it safe with an 11- or 14-point lead.
I wish they had played it safe last year. Iowa jumped out to a 17-0 lead on Northwestern and still inexplicably threw 50 passes and ended up losing. They hold on to that lead and they probably end up in Indianapolis.
 
Last edited:
Immediately after an incomplete pass to Keagan Johnson in the end zone on second down. I get that Padilla provided a much needed spark in the first half. But Iowa's offense spend most of the second half spinning its wheels again.

I wish they had played it safe last year. Iowa jumped out to a 17-0 lead on Northwestern and still inexplicably threw 50 passes and ended up losing. They hold on to that lead and they probably end up in Indianapolis.
You know, your second graph might tell us A LOT about why KF and crew are approaching second halves the way they are this season.
 
Genuinely curious here:

Think of every sports team in America and every position on those teams. What percentage of the time do you think the coaches are playing a lesser player than one riding the bench at a particular position?

Now think of Iowa (or your team if it’s not Iowa). What percentage of the time does your coach do this?
 
Genuinely curious here:

Think of every sports team in America and every position on those teams. What percentage of the time do you think the coaches are playing a lesser player than one riding the bench at a particular position?

Now think of Iowa (or your team if it’s not Iowa). What percentage of the time does your coach do this?
Kirk has done this numerous times at QB.

Banks > McCann
Stanzi > Jake Christensen
CJ > Ruddock
And I can confidently say Padilla>Petras
 
I just thought the game was gross or aesthetically unappealing to the eye. Honestly, it didn’t look like big time division 1 football to me but maybe the reason why is because even though I’m an Iowa fan, I watch a lot of other teams.
 
Immediately after an incomplete pass to Keagan Johnson in the end zone on second down. I get that Padilla provided a much needed spark in the first half. But Iowa's offense spend most of the second half spinning its wheels again.

I wish they had played it safe last year. Iowa jumped out to a 17-0 lead on Northwestern and still inexplicably threw 50 passes and ended up losing. They hold on to that lead and they probably end up in Indianapolis.
And zero points in the second half of that NW game last year. Zilch.
 
Brion Hurley's a great follow on Youtube. Has some awesome stuff

Yes he is.

I'm curious how he got his hands on it to be honest - probably a similar story to mine for it's obviously a VCR copy.

I taped that spot on my BetaMax VCR the day it aired (I taped Sports Look daily). I fortunately dubbed it over to a VHS VCR in the mid 1990's and saved the tape - then once I built my HTPC rig in 2009 I xfrd it to my video collection, and still have it yet today.
 
Yes he is.

I'm curious how he got his hands on it to be honest - probably a similar story to mine for it's obviously a VCR copy.

I taped that spot on my BetaMax VCR the day it aired (I taped Sports Look daily). I fortunately dubbed it over to a VHS VCR in the mid 1990's and saved the tape - then once I built my HTPC rig in 2009 I xfrd it to my video collection, and still have it yet today.
a5eca2f7-ab75-4155-92e6-f8bf48322c05_text.gif
 
Kirk has done this numerous times at QB.

Banks > McCann
Stanzi > Jake Christensen
CJ > Ruddock
And I can confidently say Padilla>Petras
Banks himself admitted that he wasn’t ready.

The other examples, the fans are going to be way more impatient than coaches, and that’s not a bad thing. The important thing is that eventually, the coaches got it right.
 
Padilla led Iowa to 3 points and 117 total yards of offense in the second half. Let’s not start thinking he’s the second coming of Chuck Hartlieb.
Easy there fella, the receivers dropped quite a few in the second half. Easily by far that groups worst half of football. I was also hoping for a little better than Chuck Hartlieb.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT