So how do you explain keeping jbo and pmac in when they are playing like trash, wise guy?
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This really doesn't have to be so hard. You wanted me to admit I was wrong. Just quote a sentence of mine where I was wrong and I will be happy to oblige.
With respect to Jack and his exit, my exact statement was "I know that Jack's move was described as a desire to move closer to home but there were closer places than Xavier which is still 3 and a half hours away from where he grew up."
Now, tell me what is wrong with this statement. You are reading things that aren't there.
This all started because I suggested that I wouldn't be shocked if Kris left at the end of the year. You took that as I said that I thought Kris was likely to transfer at the end of the year. Again, go back through the thread and find where I or anyone said that it was at all likely. Again, you're reading things that aren't there. In fact, if you really go through it you'll find several instances where I said it was unlikely that Kris would transfer. Hence the 20-1 odds. That's one thing that we all agree on. No?
Oh no, not this mess again. Quit jerkin your egos off and keep it on topic, no one cares who's right.
I'm not the one on the attack here. This is all Jizz.
Your statement:
With Keegan gone it wouldn't surprise me too much if he transfers out to another program. He's a competitor and if I had to guess he doesn't see that wide a gulf between Keegan and himself talent wise. I'm sure he's happy for his brother but the lack of opportunity might be eating at him right now. I'd be kinda surprised if it wasn't.
Perhaps where I went wrong was assuming the "I wouldn't be shocked" comment was 20/1 odds, lol. Come on. We both know Kris isn't transferring.
Oh man, Fran has created a monster. You're never going to win, this never works. Do you guys enjoy arguing with strangers on the internet?
Giving them minutes over him has nothing to do with his pt? Wow, that's idiotic you dolt. Lmfao
I agree. It's unlikely. I've said it several times now Fran, I mean Jizz.
The wager is still available. $100 and I'm getting 20-1. If Kris goes pro, the bet is off. If Kris transfers, you owe me 2k. If Kris stays, I owe you $100. So you're in?
You give a guy with that much upside a lot more leash before you bench him. That's the issue I have with the minutes Fran is giving Kris. Even playing mediocre on offense, he is a far better defender than JBo and probably CMac. CMac has no offense and JBo is very limited so they're not bringing a lot to the table in those minutes they're stealing from Kris.
In my opinion, Kris should be starting and receiving more minutes than he is.
According to jizzstain, giving others guys too many minutes doesn't affect Kris minutes.
CJ must have pulled himself out of the Oregon game. Quibble over the connotation of the word “benched,” but that’s essentially what happened in multiple games late in the season for CJ. Fran would play him for a bit in the first half and then sit him the rest of the game if he didn’t pass Fran’s eye test for being healthy… and that eye test was almost always directly correlated with how well CJ was playing
He averaged the 4th most minutes on the team. For a guy who was injured he sure played a lot.
I think he resented having to play when he wasn't 100%. He didn't like being "the guy" or even relied on. That would explain a lot better why he went to a team where he probably won't play all that much.
If you wouldn't be shocked, then you should do this bet straight up. Otherwise, you're backing off your original statement, you know, the one I made fun of.
Being a year older will make him a better player no matter what but staying another year in college will not amount to making more money.
When you are going to be a lottery pick not going is stupid.
Would love Connor to see the bench way more, unfortunately, it appears Fran swaps his sons for each other. I'd love to see more of Murray's/Rebraca in together. Do I think Fran will switch things up? No. He's set with putting Kris/Rebraca, Pat/Connor, Keegan/PS at the forward positions. Why, no clue. It's like he's set his mind to it and that's what it's going to be. I'd rather see more Sandfort subbing for Pat at this point as well. Keegan can play 38, just leave the man in there at all times.
As far as the backcourt, I'd love to see Perkins getting the majority of the minutes at the 2. PG, split is fine, as I like both players. Fran is maddingly stubborn like someone else we know, and just won't budge from his trust in Jbo.
If Kris was given the same minutes as Keegan he would end up being projected a mid to late first rounder this year.
If I was in his shoes I'd be pretty frustrated at having to sit behind guys who are clearly not as good two years in a row.
I doubt he transfers but it wouldn't shock me to see him declare for the draft. Hes 3 years out of highschool.
The nba doesn't draft players based on their readiness to play.
People seem to be confused on that.
They draft players based where they think they will be in a couple years.
If a team waited to draft players until they were ready that team would never end up with high level players because their competition would snatch them up years before hand.
The better a player is projected to be the longer the team is willing to wait for the payoff.
People seem to be confused on that.
They draft players based where they think they will be in a couple years.
If a team waited to draft players until they were ready that team would never end up with high level players because their competition would snatch them up years before hand.
The better a player is projected to be the longer the team is willing to wait for the payoff.
I have no idea how Kris will grade out but if he doesn't grade out in the first round and the Murrays share this opinion, then that's going to be a strain on the relationship with Fran no matter what Kris ends up doing.
Me: "Kris's minutes are shortened in games he isn't playing well and Rebraca is (Minny, MD, SELA, WIU). "
You: "So how do you explain keeping jbo and pmac in when they are playing like trash, wise guy?"
Me: "Uh yeah, he shouldn't, but that has nothing to do with Kris's PT you dolt."
You:"Giving them minutes over him has nothing to do with his pt? Wow, that's idiotic you dolt. Lmfao"
You can't even follow your own idiotic conversation.
You're trying hard to be my message board wife, with this much smackin around.
Some somehow think that JoBo is taking floor minutes from Kris. I suppose with that logic we could also assume that for every minute that Josh plays, Joe is losing time, too?
We were also talking about pmac who sure as shit cuts into his time and which you reply doesn't you genius.
Nice try though...
To think giving pmac more minutes doesn't affect Kris is just idiotic
Right, we just have some incredibly stupid fans. I think he's more just bitter because he's been proven wrong so many times when he starts his inevitable crying about minutes. He thinks Kris will transfer because he didn't get enough minutes in games where he didn't play well
Wait, so now you think Pat and Kris play the same position? JFC.
Look at every BigTen game minute distribution, it's seriously not that hard.
MD
at 22/CMC 18, Kr 10, Rebraca 29Wisky: Pat 26/CMC 15, Kr 21, Rebraca, 12, Mulvey 6
Indy: Pat 20/CMC 20, Kr 29, Keegan foul trouble 22, PR 20. Kris took over for Keegan in foul trouble.
Minny: Pat 32/Sandfort 9, KR 11/PR 32. Connor hurt and out.
Rutgers: Pat 31/CMC 9, KR 11/PR 34.
PSU: Pat 28/CMC 16, KR 20/PR 20.
Kris plays the 5 and sometimes the 4 if needed for Keegan. Keegan is playing a ton, and the reason is obvious. His play has made Kris primarily a 5 in our offense. Pat plays the 3 exclusively. Maybe next it's Ulis taking Kris's minutes.
Further, Kris has been the most up and down player on our roster. In the games he played less minutes, his play was down. He didn't play well against MD, Minny, and Rutgers, and his minutes were down.
Now, if you want to debate who is actually getting screwed over for minutes, it's Sandfort and Perkins. Sandfort should be logging more minutes in place of Connor and/or Pat, and Perkins over Jbo.
So going back to the original point, Kris isn't going to transfer because of his shortened minutes this year by two really good players, who will both be gone next year. It was a dumb take from the get go.
If you don't think Kris could take some of pmac minutes, no point discussing anything with you. Btw Perkins has quite a few mediocre games latelyWait, so now you think Pat and Kris play the same position? JFC.
Look at every BigTen game minute distribution, it's seriously not that hard.
MD
Wisky: Pat 26/CMC 15, Kr 21, Rebraca, 12, Mulvey 6
Indy: Pat 20/CMC 20, Kr 29, Keegan foul trouble 22, PR 20. Kris took over for Keegan in foul trouble.
Minny: Pat 32/Sandfort 9, KR 11/PR 32. Connor hurt and out.
Rutgers: Pat 31/CMC 9, KR 11/PR 34.
PSU: Pat 28/CMC 16, KR 20/PR 20.
Kris plays the 5 and sometimes the 4 if needed for Keegan. Keegan is playing a ton, and the reason is obvious. His play has made Kris primarily a 5 in our offense. Pat plays the 3 exclusively. Maybe next it's Ulis taking Kris's minutes.
Further, Kris has been the most up and down player on our roster. In the games he played less minutes, his play was down. He didn't play well against MD, Minny, and Rutgers, and his minutes were down.
Now, if you want to debate who is actually getting screwed over for minutes, it's Sandfort and Perkins. Sandfort should be logging more minutes in place of Connor and/or Pat, and Perkins over Jbo.
So going back to the original point, Kris isn't going to transfer because of his shortened minutes this year by two really good players, who will both be gone next year. It was a dumb take from the get go.
Derp derp
It's a zero sum game when it comes to minutes. Every minute going to one player is a minute that can't go to another player who could otherwise play that position. His most natural position is probably the 3 but Kris is a versatile player who would likely play 2-4 if he makes it into the NBA. He will NOT play the 5 which is where Fran has him playing mostly today for other reasons. There are dozens of players in the NBA with similar attributes who swing between the forward and 2 guard positions. On the offensive side he's a good outside shooter and a mismatch with the ability to shoot over smaller opponents as well as post them up. On the defensive side he has the quickness to defend the outside and is more difficult to shoot over than Jbo.
Your comparison using Josh and Joe is inane. You are correct however in stating that Jbo isn't taking minutes away from Kris or even Tony for that matter. Neither is Pmac or Cmac nor anybody. Fran's the coach and he decides who gets the minutes and at what position, but IMO you would be wrong to suggest that he could not allocate any minutes at the 2 to Kris and have him be productive in that spot. You would be correct in saying that he will not be allocating any appreciable minutes to Kris at that position.
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Talk about inane. He's not in the NBA, he's in college. In college he would rarely if ever play the 2. He plays forward at Iowa. He may guard centers but he is a college forward.
Put Kris at the 2 or the 3 and he blows JBo's and Pmac's numbers away. Not even close.
This correct.
It doesn't matter where you play them.
Unless things make an abrupt turn Kris will probably end up as the most underutilized player in iowa basketball history.
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