I could easily see a 3 Guard lineup with Bohannon, Mc and Moss. Moss is long enough to play the 3. He might be a better option than Wagner at the 3.
Will Connor start for Isaiah Moss, next year?
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I wonder how many point guards are out there that do all of the things Bohannon does on offense and also consistently "keep their man in front of them"? The idea of elite is the rarity of the qualities that produce an "elite" player. Hawks have a very good point guard that will probably just continue to improve.
Hawks also have a really talented guard in Isaiah Moss also. His play was erratic, as a freshman, to be sure. Ike needs consistency-like many talented freshmen-but there is just no reason to believe he, like Jordan, will not improve.
Uhl, Williams and Ellingson are the most threatened incumbents. Have to agree with the poster above that said Williams' defense, which is good and also getting better, doesn't justify the big problems he brings to the offensive end. If the young McC has any skills at point guard he's going to get some minutes unless Williams gets much better and/or Dailey's point skills are the stronger part of his "combo" skills.
ESPN had Bohannon and Moss graded out between 110 and 120 nationally. Both were low 4* on ESPN. ESPN's 4*s and higher typically number between 110 and 125 total players. Different services obviously have different ranks. I tend to watch ESPN because it consistently underrates Iowa recruits. Keeps the irrational exuberance under control.
Hawks also have a really talented guard in Isaiah Moss also. His play was erratic, as a freshman, to be sure. Ike needs consistency-like many talented freshmen-but there is just no reason to believe he, like Jordan, will not improve.
Uhl, Williams and Ellingson are the most threatened incumbents. Have to agree with the poster above that said Williams' defense, which is good and also getting better, doesn't justify the big problems he brings to the offensive end. If the young McC has any skills at point guard he's going to get some minutes unless Williams gets much better and/or Dailey's point skills are the stronger part of his "combo" skills.
ESPN had Bohannon and Moss graded out between 110 and 120 nationally. Both were low 4* on ESPN. ESPN's 4*s and higher typically number between 110 and 125 total players. Different services obviously have different ranks. I tend to watch ESPN because it consistently underrates Iowa recruits. Keeps the irrational exuberance under control.
That makes a lot of sense except we are in big trouble if Bohannon were to get hurt. CW doesn't look like he brings much to run an offense---dribbles a lot but not a threat himself or at finding open teammates.
Unless he doesn't play at all this year, Connor will play at least 12 mpg that Jok and Willliams got this year.
Anyone want to get involved in a friendly little wager on it? I say Conner starts at least 1 game next season. Anyone want to bet me otherwise?
Fran could always take the redshirt off if Bohannon becomes unavailable....redshirting Connor makes prefect sense when you analyze it especially if Connor has said he wants to play 4 years with Wieskamp and 3 years with Patrick....
Uhl is likely first out of rotation with two more bigs coming in. CW is next in line for less time as he has nothing at offensive end and probably would be better off transferring to DII though. Ellingson game is nothing special either. I hope Dailey makes strides as he has lots of upside. I also think CM gets time out of necessity too. I also Baer maybe getting time at #2 slot if any foul trouble or injury occurs. We also need our bigs to develop mid range jumpers too as we can't have three guys in the paint all the time. Just one mans opinion but we may be a little light in guard area if Dailey does not develop
Dean Oliver's freshman season saw Iowa in the NIT. Dean started the entire season. Dean played in 31 games, 79/211 .374 20/63 .317 96/126 .762 78 rebounds (2.5), 131 assists (4.2) 42 steals and 8.8 ppg.
Jeff Horner's freshman season saw Iowa in the NIT I think, definitely not the NCAA. Jeff played in 31 games, 79/238 .332 41/148 .277 56/73 .767 137 rebounds (4.4) 140 assists (4.5) 40 steals and 8.2 ppg.
Bo played in 34 games this season. 118/304 .388 84/221 .416 47/55 .855 76 rebounds (2.2) 175 assists (5.1) 29 steals and 10.9 ppg. Pretty much better in almost every category of play.
Bo needs to work on getting inside-at which he improved significantly; moving his feet on defense. Also where to give ground on defense, shade the quicker offensive player so they drive into a big boy if Bo gets beat.
Next season Bo moves up to a 14-15 ppg scorer with more than 6 assists a game.If I'm right he's getting close to all Big Ten numbers as a sophomore. Moss moves up to double figure scorer next year as well. People will be talking about the Iowa back court in a positive way next season.
Jeff Horner's freshman season saw Iowa in the NIT I think, definitely not the NCAA. Jeff played in 31 games, 79/238 .332 41/148 .277 56/73 .767 137 rebounds (4.4) 140 assists (4.5) 40 steals and 8.2 ppg.
Bo played in 34 games this season. 118/304 .388 84/221 .416 47/55 .855 76 rebounds (2.2) 175 assists (5.1) 29 steals and 10.9 ppg. Pretty much better in almost every category of play.
Bo needs to work on getting inside-at which he improved significantly; moving his feet on defense. Also where to give ground on defense, shade the quicker offensive player so they drive into a big boy if Bo gets beat.
Next season Bo moves up to a 14-15 ppg scorer with more than 6 assists a game.If I'm right he's getting close to all Big Ten numbers as a sophomore. Moss moves up to double figure scorer next year as well. People will be talking about the Iowa back court in a positive way next season.
I just looked at our last 7 games. From the start of our 4 game winning streak thru BTT and NIT.
Here is Jordan Bohannon's numbers to close out the last 7 games of his Freshman season.
123 points for a 17.6 ppg
55 assists for a 7.9 apg
38-78 from the field 48.7%
30-56 from three 53.6%
17-19 from the line 89.5%
Now take off the 1st Indy game as he didn't really shoot well that night and the last 6 games look like...
19.0 ppg
8.2 apg
50.7% FG
55.8% 3ptrs
84.6% FT
Then if you just want to look at rediculous numbers from his last 3 games...
22.7 ppg
11.3 apg
55.0% FG
59.3% 3ptrs
88.9% FT
Here is Jordan Bohannon's numbers to close out the last 7 games of his Freshman season.
123 points for a 17.6 ppg
55 assists for a 7.9 apg
38-78 from the field 48.7%
30-56 from three 53.6%
17-19 from the line 89.5%
Now take off the 1st Indy game as he didn't really shoot well that night and the last 6 games look like...
19.0 ppg
8.2 apg
50.7% FG
55.8% 3ptrs
84.6% FT
Then if you just want to look at rediculous numbers from his last 3 games...
22.7 ppg
11.3 apg
55.0% FG
59.3% 3ptrs
88.9% FT
Compare last 7 to the 7 games before that...
Here is Jordan Bohannon's numbers to close out the last 7 games of his Freshman season.
123 points for a 17.6 ppg
55 assists for a 7.9 apg
38-78 from the field 48.7%
30-56 from three 53.6%
17-19 from the line 89.5%
And here are his numbers in the 7 games prior (Illinois, @MSU*, @MN, Neb, Rutg, OSU, @ ILL*)
70 points for a 10.0 ppg
16 assists for a 2.3 apg
23-60 from the field 38.3%
19-46 from three 41.3%
5-8 from the line 62.5%
* - 2 games (@ Illinois played with flu and @ MSU under the weather had terrible nights)
3 pts, 5 asst, 1-17 FG's 1-13 3ptrs in those 2 games, otherwise his numbers would be much better.
Where Jordan's game took a leap that last 7 is him adjusting his game... notice more FT's attempted as he attacked the basket more which also helped with breaking down defenses and his increase in assists as well.
Once he gets his mid-range and floaters going, he's going to be very hard to guard. Our very own Stephen Curry if you will
Here is Jordan Bohannon's numbers to close out the last 7 games of his Freshman season.
123 points for a 17.6 ppg
55 assists for a 7.9 apg
38-78 from the field 48.7%
30-56 from three 53.6%
17-19 from the line 89.5%
And here are his numbers in the 7 games prior (Illinois, @MSU*, @MN, Neb, Rutg, OSU, @ ILL*)
70 points for a 10.0 ppg
16 assists for a 2.3 apg
23-60 from the field 38.3%
19-46 from three 41.3%
5-8 from the line 62.5%
* - 2 games (@ Illinois played with flu and @ MSU under the weather had terrible nights)
3 pts, 5 asst, 1-17 FG's 1-13 3ptrs in those 2 games, otherwise his numbers would be much better.
Where Jordan's game took a leap that last 7 is him adjusting his game... notice more FT's attempted as he attacked the basket more which also helped with breaking down defenses and his increase in assists as well.
Once he gets his mid-range and floaters going, he's going to be very hard to guard. Our very own Stephen Curry if you will
oh and last 14 games:
193 points for 13.8 ppg
71 assists for 5.1 apg
61-138 from field 44.2%
49-102 from three 48.0%
22-27 from line 81.5%
193 points for 13.8 ppg
71 assists for 5.1 apg
61-138 from field 44.2%
49-102 from three 48.0%
22-27 from line 81.5%
There's not the fanfare there has been with other instate guys like Wieskamp, Bohannon, Gesell (SSC, NE), Woodbury. Even though he's every bit of a recruit those others were. I just think he ends up going down another path, perhaps before his college basketball career is over
Agreed. The only one that makes a huge difference will be Garza just because we need a rim protector. Not sure if Garza is that guy because he looks like he has Woodbury hops but at least he will eat up space better than Uhl or Wagner.
Wow seriously? Go back and look at look at what Jack Nunge did last year against high level competition. A finalist for player of the year in talent rich Indiana hoops. A 6'11" athlete who can shoot from each level, decent handles, and a force as a rebounder and shot blocker. He looks like a more aggresive version of Utoff. Yea, wouldn't expect much from that guy! As for Cmac I believe he'll be at minimum a solid role guy, with a high basketball IQ. This class will have a solid impact on the future of Iowa basketball.
There's not much fanfare, because CMac coming to Iowa has been a foregone conclusion for four or five years. That and the flirtation with baseball, have people not knowing quite what to think. I'd still be suprised, if Connor didn't end up playing for Fran, and with Patrick down the road. Something he's wanted to do all his life.
I think he and Moss will end up starting together. Our ball handling and perimeter D would improve. Connor does all the little things well and is a great "glue guy". I also think our top 9 will be obvious, but I do not think our coach will play only 9. The nine are Jbo, Moss, Connor, Baer, Cook, Pemsl, Kreiner, Wagner, and Garza(no particular order). Nunge may also crack the list, but the 3 position is overloaded.
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Nunge will be in the rotation. Not sure that the three is anymore overloaded then any other spot. Other then Baer, and maybe some of Moss at the three, who is going to be there? Don't see Wagner or Pemsl playing the three. Neither has that skill set.
Good point, however, I think Baer and Moss are very good and it will be hard to not play most the minutes at the 3.
I think Moss will be very good, just think he'll be playing more minutes at the two. Don't believe CMac will start, but he'll get some minutes at both guard spots. Nunge could play at the three or as a stretch four, if Fran wants to open up the lane more for Cook, Pemsl, Garza or Kreiner, whoever is in at the time.
Agreed. I do not see any of them starting. And only one getting a good amount of PT. And that is not Connor.... I still say he redshirts and gives baseball his all to see if he "has it" at the higher level. If not, then it's full-steam ahead with basketball. Just my humble opinion.
And Connor and Patrick are NOTHING like John Lickliter. These boys can play the game, and if Connor starts at all next year, it's only because he earned the right, and not because he is Fran's son.
Luke Garza was just named POY in the District.
Jack Nunge was Up for the Award in Indiana..........Finalist
I can see one of these guys in Starting lineup, next year
GO HAWKS
He better work on shooting, fundamentals and committing to playing
team defense.........GO HAWKS
Isaiah has Yuuuge potential, but has to work, just like everyone else to improve
I don't think its the ability to shoot that holds Moss back, its the confidence in that ability. I'm hoping with Pete gone he'll jump into that void with both feet.He better work on shooting, fundamentals and committing to playing
team defense.........GO HAWKS
Isaiah has Yuuuge potential, but has to work, just like everyone else to improve
Moss has shown a much higher upside at the B10 level than anything I've seen from my limited viewing of McCaffery in high school. He has not stood out at the high school level when I've seen him play. I think Moss makes a big leap forward next season.
I am not sure I want much of joBo and Conner on the court at the same time. Part of me really thinks CM is going to red shirt next season, hell that decision might come down to how well CW progresses.
Also, NO, I don't think Conner takes Moss's spot on the starting roster. Need some real athleticism at the guard spot somewhere on the floor.
Also, NO, I don't think Conner takes Moss's spot on the starting roster. Need some real athleticism at the guard spot somewhere on the floor.
I'm hoping he just starts attacking the bucket in the half court like he does in transition, kid is a tremendous finishers at the cup IMO. His jumper is good, him going hard to the bucket has been great when he has done it.
I doubt CMc starts over Moss. I know its not quite the same, but I coached my son in high school ball. He did not start until he was markedly (undeniably) better than his fellow teammates for the spot. In hindsight, I was much harder on him than other players. The coach/son relationship will be much more difficult on the basketball court, than on the football field (Ferentz), where a position coach probably has more input on who starts.
It is my guess, if Moss/CMc are perceived as equals, Conner sits. If Conner starts, he will be demonstrably superior, and the assistants will be telling Fran that on a regular basis.
And, I also believe Moss will be greatly improved next year, on a Marble(Devyn)-like trajectory.
It is my guess, if Moss/CMc are perceived as equals, Conner sits. If Conner starts, he will be demonstrably superior, and the assistants will be telling Fran that on a regular basis.
And, I also believe Moss will be greatly improved next year, on a Marble(Devyn)-like trajectory.
I'm going to assume your joking, if not please stop posting because you clearly have no clue
what your talking about.
Why? What do you KNOW that makes your opinion anymore relevant than mine? Do you know he's not going to redshirt?
Or just keep attacking posters with pointless posts and add no substance.
Moss has a lot of potential, but he was probably the worst defender on an Iowa team that was poor defensively. He usually lost his man in traffic, and did not attack the man he was guarding. He had his hand up sideways in a defensive position so the defender could do what he wanted. The Iowa coaches need to do a better job of coaching him on defense. With a short Bohannon, our guards next year will be easy pickings for the opposition
IMO Moss will start along with JoBo. CW and Ellingson off the bench. The big question I have is about Dom stepping it up.
I have the feeling Dom WILL finally develop. He wants to be a 3 and I think he plays there exclusively next year. Although a good rebounder, he doesn't want to bang inside.
Wow, you look pretty foolish right now
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