Will the 2017 season be forever remembered as the "Minnesota Screw Job?"

[Rustys Dad]

If you are blaming the outcome of the entire season on one call during one game, you are indeed a whiner.

Exactly ... The game is over. We could just as easily whine about losing to Nebraska-Omaha ... Bottom line is we lost ... Life goes on ... Woulda, coulda, shoulda ... None of it matters ... We are where we are and we earned the spot we are in (high seed in the NIT) ...

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Well, since it cost Iowa an NCAA berth, it could be.

Of course Iowa had several other opportunities, but when something as blatant as what happened at Minnesota occurs, it's not just another bad call...it's not BAU, it's absolute incompetence. And that's not right.

And according to the players, the hangover from that "loss" lasted a few more games, which is entirely understandable.

Those of you who think what happened at Minnesota is just part of the game need to ask this question: How many other teams across the country suffered a loss to due blatantly incompetent officiating in the last 20 seconds? How many had a two-point lead while all three refs ignored a team yelling and signalling for timeout after the refs had just been told to watch for it, and how many had the ball given to the other team on a held ball because none of the three refs noticed the player who tied up the ball happened to be standing out of bounds?

Exactly.

TCU got hosed vs K-State with a pretty ticky-tack foul with less than 10 seconds to go (lost from free throws awarded).

I believe Georgia had one because of a clock malfunction - had the ball with 5 seconds left, guy shot before the buzzer went off. Refs ruled that clock hadn't started and hand-timed how much time should come off... determined he shot after time should have expired. Game over.

There are examples... you just don't follow all the teams closely enough to know what they are.

 

[Gopher Rube]

Thread is full of gold.

 

[Franisdaman]

Exactly ... The game is over. We could just as easily whine about losing to Nebraska-Omaha ... Bottom line is we lost ... Life goes on ... Woulda, coulda, shoulda ... None of it matters ... We are where we are and we earned the spot we are in (high seed in the NIT) ...

Some points:
On HawkCentral Radio (on KXNO), it was discussed by veteran reporter/columnist Chad Leistikow that
* Had Iowa won the game in MPLS, they would be in the NCAA Tournament.
* Calls are missed throughout the game. HOWEVER, this ONE REF MISSED TWO CALLS (a called time out; the Goofer's foot being out of bounds) in a matter of A COUPLE SECONDS. That's INCOMPETENCE.
* Iowa had 3 players in the game shooting 88% or better from the FT line. Iowa should have had possession. Minny would have had to foul to get the ball back. Iowa's 2 point lead would have more than likely increased to 3 and probably 4 with under 20 seconds to go.

It does matter; Iowa would rather be playing in the Big Dance vs the NIT.

 

[HoustonHawkeye]

I am tired of these apologetic supporters of the refs. I get the fact of the ref not being able to see a foul or something in a game due to his angle of view...but there is absolutely no reason a ref did not hear a player calling for a time out. Player clearly had control of the ball. There is no blocking out of sound waves. Go back to science class if you think I am wrong on this. Anyone not calling that play pure B.S. needs to have there head examined or they are a troll. Give me one good justification that the ref did not grant the time out. I don't believe there is a credible one out there.

 

[Gopher Rube]

but there is absolutely no reason a ref did not hear a player calling for a time out.

14,000 screaming people?

 

[navyrules]

I am tired of these apologetic supporters of the refs. I get the fact of the ref not being able to see a foul or something in a game due to his angle of view...but there is absolutely no reason a ref did not hear a player calling for a time out. Player clearly had control of the ball. There is no blocking out of sound waves. Go back to science class if you think I am wrong on this. Anyone not calling that play pure B.S. needs to have there head examined or they are a troll. Give me one good justification that the ref did not grant the time out. I don't believe there is a credible one out there.

Incompetence has always been the justification I have used. Do you have a different one?

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

14,000 screaming people?

How do 14,000 screaming people make a referee blind?

 

[DougERot]

Some points:
On HawkCentral Radio (on KXNO), it was discussed by veteran reporter/columnist Chad Leistikow that
* Had Iowa won the game in MPLS, they would be in the NCAA Tournament.
* Calls are missed throughout the game. HOWEVER, this ONE REF MISSED TWO CALLS (a called time out; the Goofer's foot being out of bounds) in a matter of A COUPLE SECONDS. That's INCOMPETENCE.
* Iowa had 3 players in the game shooting 88% or better from the FT line. Iowa should have had possession. Minny would have had to foul to get the ball back. Iowa's 2 point lead would have more than likely increased to 3 and probably 4 with under 20 seconds to go.

It does matter; Iowa would rather be playing in the Big Dance vs the NIT.

The home loss to Omaha didn't help either

 

[HoustonHawkeye]

14,000 screaming people?

Gopher buddy, the TV channel easily picked it up. Matter of fact, the gopher friendly newspapers from Minneapolis agreed that the Hawkeyes got hosed. Go back to your Gopher friendly websites and leave us alone.

 

[stender72865]

Every team at every level has been "screwed" by officials. There was certainly a play in that game that could've accounted for 1 point. A missed free throw, a turnover, a rebound, etc.

Dont lose to Omaha

One call never determines the outcome of any game. Never. Blaming it on the officials is a losers mentality.

 

[Gopher Rube]

How do 14,000 screaming people make a referee blind?

You don't read well do you?

 

[navyrules]

The home loss to Omaha didn't help either

That loss to Omaha certainly didn't help our chances. Omaha finished with a 138 RPI. However there are many teams in the tourney who lost to lower RPI teams than Omaha. For example, Providence lost to two 200+ ranked RPI teams and still got in. In reality, one more BIG win (plenty winnable games to choose from.... Nebraska, Minnesota, Illinois x2, Maryland) and Iowa would have been most likely in.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

You don't read well do you?[/QUOTE

I read fine and I have NO problem with the ref ignoring the TO. I have a problem with these screaming fans blinding him to a fioot PLANTED out of bounds. Review was put in the last 2 mins to make sure they "get it right". I predict this blunder will lead to a rule change.

 

[Gopher Rube]

He was out of bounds and ref blew that call. But has nothing to do with the post I was responding too.

 

[navyrules]

Every team at every level has been "screwed" by officials. There was certainly a play in that game that could've accounted for 1 point. A missed free throw, a turnover, a rebound, etc.

Dont lose to Omaha

One call never determines the outcome of any game. Never. Blaming it on the officials is a losers mentality.

I have covered the loss to Omaha in an earlier post. However, a loss to Texas is nearly the same from an RPI standpoint. I understand that ISU beat Indiana State (73-71), but that would have been an significantly worse loss than Omaha. That loss was bad, but by the time the season was winding down it was not the determining factor in Iowa's getting in the NCAA.

I agree with the 'losers mentality' referenced in your post. However to say that a call never determines the outcome of a game is the same as saying a missed shot, turnover, rebound never determines the outcome of a game. I would hope you can acquiesce that if Iowa is granted the timeout or if the out of bounds call was properly made that Iowa's chances of winning that game are exponentially better than if the ball is given back to Minnesota. It's not like this was a bang bang block/charge call.

That call was certainly one of many determining factors that led to Iowa not getting in the NCAA tourney. A win at Minnesota helps us much more than a loss to Omaha hurt us. There is no doubt about that... the committee showed as much when they put Providence in with two losses to 200+ RPI teams. You know as well as I do if the same situation happened to ISU that I doubt you would have chalked it up to 'beat Texas' or 'get one more rebound' .

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

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He was out of bounds and ref blew that call. But has nothing to do with the post I was responding too.[/QUOTE

I know what you were responding to. The crowd had nothing to do with the blunder. It's easily fixable. Just like determining whose finger the ball went out of bounds on, make foot out of bounds reviewable in last 2 mins also. It's certainly easier to determine than whose finger.

 

[stender72865]

I don't recall the ending of the ISU/Texas game, but I will always maintain that when you lose a close game or in OT, a "lost possession" in the 1st minute is equally as important as one in the last minute.

Of course I recognize that had 'the call" gone in Iowa's favor, the odds of them winning increase significantly. The official missed the call. It sucks for Iowa , but it happens.

Fortunately for ISU they didn't have to play the "what if" game. They are playing well - I hope it continues Thursday night - time will tell. Whatever happens , they had a great year!

 

[Hans81]

If you are blaming the outcome of the entire season on one call during one game, you are indeed a whiner.

However, it's the truth. Win that game (& all other things being equal) and Iowa goes to the Big Dance.

 

[navyrules]

I don't recall the ending of the ISU/Texas game, but I will always maintain that when you lose a close game or in OT, a "lost possession" in the 1st minute is equally as important as one in the last minute.

Of course I recognize that had 'the call" gone in Iowa's favor, the odds of them winning increase significantly. The official missed the call. It sucks for Iowa , but it happens.

Fortunately for ISU they didn't have to play the "what if" game. They are playing well - I hope it continues Thursday night - time will tell. Whatever happens , they had a great year!

Let me be clear, I don't believe in some grand conspiracy theory that the refs are 'out to get' Iowa or have a bias against us. Rather I just think that sometimes referees blow calls and that on some nights they can have moments of incompetence.

That being said, you don't really believe that a missed free throw in a tie ball game with .01 left in the game is the same as a missed free throw in a 0-0 game on the first possession? Similarly, a missed call is clearly not as important in the first seconds of a game as it is in the last seconds. Why? Because the team who suffers from the missed call doesn't have as much time to overcome it. In fact, the NCAA believes this to be true, which is why they allow reviews in the last minutes of a game and not the entire game.

So while your narrative certainly provides you with a way to attempt to make Iowa fans look foolish, it ultimately rings hollow. In fact, I know you have referenced that block/charge calls over the years in ISU games as 'bail out calls', 'momentum changers' and 'seemed to benefit' ISU opponents. So let's be real here about this. WHEN the missed call is made can be a HUGE factor in the outcome of a game.

Furthermore, I wasn't comparing the end of the Iowa St. Texas game to the Iowa MN game. You pointed out that Iowa fans shouldn't complain.... rather just "beat Omaha". My point is that the Omaha loss is nearly as bad at the Texas loss for ISU. Even if Iowa beats Omaha they are still likely out of the NCAA tourney.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

I don't recall the ending of the ISU/Texas game, but I will always maintain that when you lose a close game or in OT, a "lost possession" in the 1st minute is equally as important as one in the last minute.

Of course I recognize that had 'the call" gone in Iowa's favor, the odds of them winning increase significantly. The official missed the call. It sucks for Iowa , but it happens.

Fortunately for ISU they didn't have to play the "what if" game. They are playing well - I hope it continues Thursday night - time will tell. Whatever happens , they had a great year!

Coaches will disagree on you on the lost possession in first minute EQUALLY as important as last minute. They will tell you early in the game he still has time to overcome in a number of ways. Can't really decide to press more, shoot more/ less 3s, change personnel, etc, I get your point though as I was watching a game where there was an obvious wrong call with 2 min 3 sec left in the game. They couldn't review because was not under 2 min. It's rediculous to think that call had any less effect at 2:03 than it would at 1:59.

 

[Ladell-hawk]

I have heard several people say that had Iowa won that game they would be in the NCAA Tournament regardless of how they did in the big 10 tournament.

I understand refs missing calls for both sides. HOWEVER, missing TWO calls in ONE SHORT SEQUENCE?

Will that ref who blew TWO CALLS in ONE SHORT SEQUENCE go down in history with Jim Bain and Teddy V?

Yes, we got bent over pretty bad.

 

[N.Legend]

"Will the 2017 season be forever remembered as the "Minnesota Screw Job?"
Better that than the South Dakota Screw Job!

 

[FranklinHawk]

How many other teams across the country suffered a loss to due blatantly incompetent officiating?

Well, according to ISU fans every loss is due to incompetent officiating. They should be undefeated at this point!

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Thread is full of gold.

Great game today! WOULD WATCH AGAIN.

Game was full of gold

 

[doughudd]

Gold baby!! Yah rube.