Will Title IX apply? If not, how should IOWA Football divide roughly $16M in Revenue Sharing between the 105 Roster Players?

[Bulldogs1974]

Without all those average players you don’t have a team and all that revenue goes bye-bye.

are you saying college football wouldn't be able to fill their rosters with people that want to go to college. There are plenty of potential employees. Make an NFL g league and see what happens. No one will go watch. The value is in the institution not the name on the back of the jersey. Unless it's clark/higgins/garza etc, those people are the ones that have earned the NIL/compensation.
90% of college athletes are mere commas. They are place holders. There are some on the team you cheer for but you cheer for them because they went to iowa. I'm sure there aren't ton's of Abu Sama fans on this board but there are on iowa state's team.

 

[Franisdaman]

Question: Do players have to use their parents' health insurance first (where players are covered until age 26)?

no

Actually, student-athletes must use personal health insurance first, which can be obtained through their parents' insurance.


From a quick Google search:

College football players must have their own health insurance to participate in intercollegiate sports:

• NCAA requirements
  The NCAA requires all student-athletes to have personal health insurance that covers athletic injuries:
  
  
  • The insurance must cover up to $90,000 in expenses
  • The NCAA's Catastrophic Insurance Program steps in once the $90,000 limit is reached
  • The student-athlete's private insurance covers them until the $90,000 limit is reached
  • The student-athlete and their family are responsible for out-of-pocket expenses until the $90,000 limit is reached
• Insurance options
  Student-athletes can obtain insurance through:
  
  
  • Their parent or guardian's insurance
  • A private insurance provider
  • The member institution's intercollegiate athletics injury policy
  • The member institution's self-insurance program
• Most institutions require insurance
  Most institutions require student-athletes to have their own primary medical insurance
• Most institutions purchase secondary insurance
  Most institutions purchase a secondary insurance policy to pay bills that are not covered by the student-athlete's primary insurance

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Question: Do players have to use their parents' health insurance first (where players are covered until age 26)?

No, unless their parents have a family plan. (I think)

 

[Franisdaman]

No, unless their parents have a family plan. (I think)

see post above yours.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

QBs - 16%
OT - 14%
DE - 12%
TE- 10%
LB - 9%
OL - 8%
CB - 8%
S - 8%
DT - 7%
K - 4%
P - 4%

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

Triple the average salary for an Iowan.

Strange days indeed.

Triple the work ethic and talent of the average Iowan too.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Triple the work ethic and talent of the average Iowan too.

The only thing special about a student athlete is work ethic (for most). There are plenty of iowans that show up to their job daily too.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

The only thing special about a student athlete is work ethic (for most). There are plenty of iowans that show up to their job daily too.

Naaa, most of these people are also extremely disciplined with their diet, daily habits, etc. Showing up to do your daily job shouldn't be some sort of ticket to something special unless there's market demand for said job. I'd venture to say the average Kirk Ferentz program graduate, who didn't play in the NFL, makes much more than the average Iowan does because of other intangibles other than just work ethic.

 

[pistachio1999]

The only thing special about a student athlete is work ethic (for most). There are plenty of iowans that show up to their job daily too.

That's why we are carrying 6 packs instead of sporting them like many of these kids do. Exercise is not humanity's strong point. Most people do not because it is hard and requires extreme mental discipline.

 

[pistachio1999]

QBs - 16%
OT - 14%
DE - 12%
TE- 10%
LB - 9%
OL - 8%
CB - 8%
S - 8%
DT - 7%
K - 4%
P - 4%

Long snapper? He gotta pay in?

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Triple the work ethic and talent of the average Iowan too.

Not buying that. Some guy that gets up every morning doing hard manual labor all day to support his family for decades has more work ethic and gets no praise. People have been doing that for centuries.

You don’t even have to dig that deep. Plenty of athletes at Iowa won’t get a dime. I doubt it’s because they have no work ethic.

If all football players had work ethic we would not read the sob stories after their playing days are done.

Work Ethic isn’t a phase of like.

Also, Iowa gets all that network money and BTN money no matter how much they try to win. I doubt they would get kicked out of the conference if the “mailed it in”.

 

[swagsurfer02]

"Punting is winning" wasn't enough to make you move on already?

I always took it as a joke. Apparently the joke was on me.

 

[SI_NYC]

The average Iowan doesn't generate as much revenue for themselves or their companies as these kids do

Are you sure the kids generate that or the university does? I think the money comes from a fan base that follows the team regardless more than these particular kids are the ones driving the revenue. That being said, I think the players should be paid well for their services, within reason.

 

[SI_NYC]

Naaa, most of these people are also extremely disciplined with their diet, daily habits, etc. Showing up to do your daily job shouldn't be some sort of ticket to something special unless there's market demand for said job. I'd venture to say the average Kirk Ferentz program graduate, who didn't play in the NFL, makes much more than the average Iowan does because of other intangibles other than just work ethic.

You base this theory based upon what?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Are you sure the kids generate that or the university does? I think the money comes from a fan base that follows the team regardless more than these particular kids are the ones driving the revenue. That being said, I think the players should be paid well for their services, within reason.

Exactly. You don’t go to McDonald’s for the fry cook.
No one ever wants to answer why there is no g league for football. It’s because the eyes belong to the university not the vast majority of its players.
There are players that are worth something but they are generally 3-4 year players or those that transcend their predecessors.

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[Franisdaman]

Story from Yahoo Sports:

 

[Franisdaman]

Important note here:

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[MikeyHawk]

Proportionally makes no sense at all, so Title IX dictates participation levels and then that dictates how revenue sharing is applied. Baffling

 

[kkhawk]

no

Yes

 

[Franisdaman]

Proportionally makes no sense at all, so Title IX dictates participation levels and then that dictates how revenue sharing is applied. Baffling

I am guessing the Trump administration sets different guidelines

 

[BirdistheWord]

How about a base + performance bonus?

 

[Franisdaman]

How about a base + performance bonus?

but shouldn't "the base" be based on what revenue you bring in?

that's why football and MBB players have 90% of the revenue sharing earmarked for them

 

[Franisdaman]

Mit Winter is a college athletics attorney. As you can see, this likely will get settled in a court room.

the full text of his tweet:

The Dept of Ed issued a memo today clarifying how it will apply Title IX to NIL $ schools pay to athletes.

Its conclusion: NIL compensation must be made proportionately available to male & female athletes.

This will change school rev-share plans.

And likely lead to litigation.

The memo:

 

[Franisdaman]

And Doc's response?

 

[Franisdaman]

And when Title IX and NIL Collectives collide?

More from Mit Winter, a college athletics attorney:

The Dept of Ed also hinted it may try to apply Title IX to NIL compensation paid by NIL collectives in the same manner as it says it will apply Title IX to payments made by schools.

 

[Franisdaman]

And, as noted above, what the Trump administration will likely do:

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

Exactly. You don’t go to McDonald’s for the fry cook.
No one ever wants to answer why there is no g league for football. It’s because the eyes belong to the university not the vast majority of its players.
There are players that are worth something but they are generally 3-4 year players or those that transcend their predecessors.

What is your view on what NFL players should get paid? Only a few guys per team are difference makers and everyone else should just get paid $100k?

 

[FranklinHawk]

QBs - 16%
OT - 14%
DE - 12%
TE- 10%
LB - 9%
OL - 8%
CB - 8%
S - 8%
DT - 7%
K - 4%
P - 4%

So, we'll have a team with no RBs or WRs?

 

[ClarindaA's]

And, as noted above, what the Trump administration will likely do:

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I hope so, it’s undeniably UnAmerican.

 

[squeezebox]

Yes

lol, based on the new ruling, until that point it was a no.

 

[Franisdaman]

I hope so, it’s undeniably UnAmerican.

you can't pay the Iowa women rowers the same as football players, that's for damn sure

 

[Franisdaman]

Question: Do players have to use their parents' health insurance first (where players are covered until age 26)?

no

Yes

lol, based on the new ruling, until that point it was a no.

What follows is from May 20, 2015. I wouldn't call something from over 9 years ago a "new ruling."

As you can see, student-athletes must use personal health insurance first, which can be obtained through their parents' insurance.

Some excerpts:

College football players must have their own health insurance to participate in intercollegiate sports:

• NCAA requirements
  The NCAA requires all student-athletes to have personal health insurance that covers athletic injuries:
  
  
  • The insurance must cover up to $90,000 in expenses
  • The NCAA's Catastrophic Insurance Program steps in once the $90,000 limit is reached
  • The student-athlete's private insurance covers them until the $90,000 limit is reached
  • The student-athlete and their family are responsible for out-of-pocket expenses until the $90,000 limit is reached
• Insurance options
  Student-athletes can obtain insurance through:
  
  
  • Their parent or guardian's insurance
  • A private insurance provider
  • The member institution's intercollegiate athletics injury policy
  • The member institution's self-insurance program
• Most institutions require insurance
  Most institutions require student-athletes to have their own primary medical insurance
• Most institutions purchase secondary insurance
  Most institutions purchase a secondary insurance policy to pay bills that are not covered by the student-athlete's primary insurance

Insurance Coverage for Student-Athletes

Insurance Coverage for Student-Athletes

www.ncaa.org

 

[squeezebox]

What follows is from May 20, 2015. I wouldn't call something from over 9 years ago a "new ruling."

As you can see, student-athletes must use personal health insurance first, which can be obtained through their parents' insurance.

Some excerpts:

College football players must have their own health insurance to participate in intercollegiate sports:

• NCAA requirements
  The NCAA requires all student-athletes to have personal health insurance that covers athletic injuries:
  
  
  • The insurance must cover up to $90,000 in expenses
  • The NCAA's Catastrophic Insurance Program steps in once the $90,000 limit is reached
  • The student-athlete's private insurance covers them until the $90,000 limit is reached
  • The student-athlete and their family are responsible for out-of-pocket expenses until the $90,000 limit is reached
• Insurance options
  Student-athletes can obtain insurance through:
  
  
  • Their parent or guardian's insurance
  • A private insurance provider
  • The member institution's intercollegiate athletics injury policy
  • The member institution's self-insurance program
• Most institutions require insurance
  Most institutions require student-athletes to have their own primary medical insurance
• Most institutions purchase secondary insurance
  Most institutions purchase a secondary insurance policy to pay bills that are not covered by the student-athlete's primary insurance

Insurance Coverage for Student-Athletes

Insurance Coverage for Student-Athletes

www.ncaa.org

I'm big enough to admit, that I didn't read the thread, I thought the comment was based don title 9 sharing of revenue, which was passed yesterday. Thanks for reposting the insurance scenario though.

 

[HawksRule73]

This is simply a last ditch effort by the Biden Admin to force schools to give equal payments for revenue that wasn't earned equally. It will be challenged in court because you can't have a scenario where the rules are constantly changing based on which political party is in power. I would expect that a court will quickly determine that the House settlement specifically called for REVENUE SHARING, which means you share the revenue with the players in the sport that are actually generating the revenue. This idea that everything needs to be equal is bullshit. It's supposed to be about fairness, not equal.

 

[obfuscating]

Evenly, then they'll still be able to get NIL on the side. It'll be absolutely incredible if a bunch of 18-22 year olds complain about getting $152K a year.

In today's culture, they will complain, it's what they do.

 

[ClarindaA's]

In today's culture, they will complain, it's what they do.

The issue would be, I’m donating form football and basketball. My dollars should go there

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

So, we'll have a team with no RBs or WRs?

Ooops.