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Wisconsin wouldn't break even on Foxconn incentives for 25 years, analysis shows

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It would take at least 25 years for Wisconsin taxpayers to break even on Gov. Scott Walker's incentives to lure Taiwanese electronics giant Foxconn to the state, according to a fiscal analysis released Tuesday.

Walker's bill would exempt construction materials from the state and local sales tax and hand the company up to $2.85 billion in tax credits based on the number on the number of jobs generated. It also would exempt the company from

The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau's analysis of the bill found that Walker's administration found the cost of the tax credits would exceed potential increased tax revenues by $1.04 billion at the end of fiscal year 2032-33. After that year, payments to Foxconn would end and increased tax collections would ring in at about $115 million annually. At that rate, the break-even point would come during the 2042-43 fiscal year.

The break-even point could come even later, though.


Foxconn hasn't picked a site yet but the company is eyeing an area just across the Illinois border. If 10 percent of the jobs associated with the plant go to Illinois residents, the break-even point would be pushed back to 2044-45, the analysis found. If 40 percent to 50 percent of the jobs go to out-of-state residents, the break-even point would be pushed well past 2044-45, the analysis said.

Foxconn hopes to open the plant with 3,000 workers. Critics have questioned whether the company really intends to add more employees. If the facility employs closer to 3,000 people, the tax benefits from the project would decline from $115 million to $27 million annually and the break-even point would come well beyond 2044-45.


What's more, borrowing for the interstate rebuild would leave the state on the hook for $408.3 million in interest and the sales tax exemption would cost the state $139 million.

If Foxconn builds the plant in Kenosha County, the local sales tax exemption would cost that county about $13.9 million. Neighboring Racine County doesn't have a county sales tax, but the county is part of the stadium district that collects a 0.1 percent sales tax to support Miller Park, the Milwaukee Brewers' home. The local exemption would cost the district about $2.78 million in revenue.

The fiscal bureau also noted that Foxconn's presence in the state could have substantial benefits.

Every public dollar would generate $6.70 from Foxconn, the analysis said, and the plant would provide more job opportunities as well as a new manufacturing sector in Wisconsin. Kenosha County and the stadium district could benefit from local sales tax revenue connected to developments related to the plant.

Citing the private-public investment ratio, Walker spokesman Tom Evenson called the Foxconn plant a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald's spokeswoman, Myranda Tanck, said his office is currently reviewing the analysis. Kit Beyer, a spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, didn't immediately respond to an email and no one immediately replied to an email left in Foxconn's general inbox for media inquiries.

Rep. Gordon Hintz, a Democratic member of the Legislature's finance committee, predicted the incentives bill would create long-term problems for every state budget for the next 15 years, ultimately resulting in cuts to important state programs.

a host of environmental regulations and borrow $252 million to rebuild Interstate 94 near the plant site.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-wisconsin-foxconn-tax-incentives-20170808-story.html
 
Who's to say Foxconn won't close up shop at the end of 2032-33 when the payments from Wisconsin end? At that point, Wisconsin would still be $1.81 billion in the hole.

The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau's analysis of the bill found that Walker's administration found the cost of the tax credits would exceed potential increased tax revenues by $1.04 billion at the end of fiscal year 2032-33. After that year, payments to Foxconn would end and increased tax collections would ring in at about $115 million annually. At that rate, the break-even point would come during the 2042-43 fiscal year.
 
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It would take at least 25 years for Wisconsin taxpayers to break even on Gov. Scott Walker's incentives to lure Taiwanese electronics giant Foxconn to the state, according to a fiscal analysis released Tuesday.

Walker's bill would exempt construction materials from the state and local sales tax and hand the company up to $2.85 billion in tax credits based on the number on the number of jobs generated. It also would exempt the company from

The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau's analysis of the bill found that Walker's administration found the cost of the tax credits would exceed potential increased tax revenues by $1.04 billion at the end of fiscal year 2032-33. After that year, payments to Foxconn would end and increased tax collections would ring in at about $115 million annually. At that rate, the break-even point would come during the 2042-43 fiscal year.

The break-even point could come even later, though.


Foxconn hasn't picked a site yet but the company is eyeing an area just across the Illinois border. If 10 percent of the jobs associated with the plant go to Illinois residents, the break-even point would be pushed back to 2044-45, the analysis found. If 40 percent to 50 percent of the jobs go to out-of-state residents, the break-even point would be pushed well past 2044-45, the analysis said.

Foxconn hopes to open the plant with 3,000 workers. Critics have questioned whether the company really intends to add more employees. If the facility employs closer to 3,000 people, the tax benefits from the project would decline from $115 million to $27 million annually and the break-even point would come well beyond 2044-45.


What's more, borrowing for the interstate rebuild would leave the state on the hook for $408.3 million in interest and the sales tax exemption would cost the state $139 million.

If Foxconn builds the plant in Kenosha County, the local sales tax exemption would cost that county about $13.9 million. Neighboring Racine County doesn't have a county sales tax, but the county is part of the stadium district that collects a 0.1 percent sales tax to support Miller Park, the Milwaukee Brewers' home. The local exemption would cost the district about $2.78 million in revenue.

The fiscal bureau also noted that Foxconn's presence in the state could have substantial benefits.

Every public dollar would generate $6.70 from Foxconn, the analysis said, and the plant would provide more job opportunities as well as a new manufacturing sector in Wisconsin. Kenosha County and the stadium district could benefit from local sales tax revenue connected to developments related to the plant.

Citing the private-public investment ratio, Walker spokesman Tom Evenson called the Foxconn plant a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald's spokeswoman, Myranda Tanck, said his office is currently reviewing the analysis. Kit Beyer, a spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, didn't immediately respond to an email and no one immediately replied to an email left in Foxconn's general inbox for media inquiries.

Rep. Gordon Hintz, a Democratic member of the Legislature's finance committee, predicted the incentives bill would create long-term problems for every state budget for the next 15 years, ultimately resulting in cuts to important state programs.

a host of environmental regulations and borrow $252 million to rebuild Interstate 94 near the plant site.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-wisconsin-foxconn-tax-incentives-20170808-story.html

Man...I remember a couple die-hard Cons on here touting the Davenport deal to bring in ~40 jobs for a few mil in local tax money, and how they were SO adamant at the economic boon it would bring - that they'd be making something like 5% ROI per year.

That was until I pointed out to them that it would take something like 20 years JUST TO EARN BACK THE PRINCIPAL on the investment, and only after THAT would you make your ROI.

I recall they vanished like farts in the wind on that convo, too....
 
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So these with these credits, are they actually giving Foxconn money?

I believe so. Sounds like subsidies:

Under Walker's plan, the Taiwanese electronics manufacturer could get up to $1.5 billion to subsidize wages, up to $1.35 billion to support facility construction and up to $150 million from a sales tax exemption on building materials.

The annual payout would be between $200 million and $250 million, according to the state's main economic development agency.

That translates to between $15,000 and $19,000 state dollars per job per year, if 13,000 jobs are actually created.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/08/news/foxconn-wisconsin-trump-fight/index.html
 
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Who's to say Foxconn won't close up shop at the end of 2032-33 when the payments from Wisconsin end? At that point, Wisconsin would still be $1.81 billion in the hole.

The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau's analysis of the bill found that Walker's administration found the cost of the tax credits would exceed potential increased tax revenues by $1.04 billion at the end of fiscal year 2032-33. After that year, payments to Foxconn would end and increased tax collections would ring in at about $115 million annually. At that rate, the break-even point would come during the 2042-43 fiscal year.

This is exactly what will happen. Companies extort states and the states comply.
 

That translates to between $15,000 and $19,000 state dollars per job per year, if 13,000 jobs are actually created.

Jeezis!!!

No WAY are they generating $15-19k in "tax revenues" off each of those "manufacturing jobs". Best case the jobs pay $20/hr, or about $40k/year. They'd be lucky to get ~$5k in taxes, after deductions, from each job....
 
Privater industry/business has all of us, including government scared to death. States keep whoring themselves out, losing money and convincing all the folks back home how they are keeping out taxes low. All states do it. GOP states keeping adding chapters to the book.
Guys....this tax credit thing is just bad business...especially if you are the state or local government. I think most of you cons and MBAs out there would agree when it comes to cutting deals businesses are better at guarding their interests than local and state governments are.
Maybe, just maybe, staTES are gonna have to let some businesses go elsewhere and stop losing money.
 
It would take at least 25 years for Wisconsin taxpayers to break even on Gov. Scott Walker's incentives to lure Taiwanese electronics giant Foxconn to the state, according to a fiscal analysis released Tuesday.

Walker's bill would exempt construction materials from the state and local sales tax and hand the company up to $2.85 billion in tax credits based on the number on the number of jobs generated. It also would exempt the company from

The nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau's analysis of the bill found that Walker's administration found the cost of the tax credits would exceed potential increased tax revenues by $1.04 billion at the end of fiscal year 2032-33. After that year, payments to Foxconn would end and increased tax collections would ring in at about $115 million annually. At that rate, the break-even point would come during the 2042-43 fiscal year.

The break-even point could come even later, though.


Foxconn hasn't picked a site yet but the company is eyeing an area just across the Illinois border. If 10 percent of the jobs associated with the plant go to Illinois residents, the break-even point would be pushed back to 2044-45, the analysis found. If 40 percent to 50 percent of the jobs go to out-of-state residents, the break-even point would be pushed well past 2044-45, the analysis said.

Foxconn hopes to open the plant with 3,000 workers. Critics have questioned whether the company really intends to add more employees. If the facility employs closer to 3,000 people, the tax benefits from the project would decline from $115 million to $27 million annually and the break-even point would come well beyond 2044-45.


What's more, borrowing for the interstate rebuild would leave the state on the hook for $408.3 million in interest and the sales tax exemption would cost the state $139 million.

If Foxconn builds the plant in Kenosha County, the local sales tax exemption would cost that county about $13.9 million. Neighboring Racine County doesn't have a county sales tax, but the county is part of the stadium district that collects a 0.1 percent sales tax to support Miller Park, the Milwaukee Brewers' home. The local exemption would cost the district about $2.78 million in revenue.

The fiscal bureau also noted that Foxconn's presence in the state could have substantial benefits.

Every public dollar would generate $6.70 from Foxconn, the analysis said, and the plant would provide more job opportunities as well as a new manufacturing sector in Wisconsin. Kenosha County and the stadium district could benefit from local sales tax revenue connected to developments related to the plant.

Citing the private-public investment ratio, Walker spokesman Tom Evenson called the Foxconn plant a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald's spokeswoman, Myranda Tanck, said his office is currently reviewing the analysis. Kit Beyer, a spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, didn't immediately respond to an email and no one immediately replied to an email left in Foxconn's general inbox for media inquiries.

Rep. Gordon Hintz, a Democratic member of the Legislature's finance committee, predicted the incentives bill would create long-term problems for every state budget for the next 15 years, ultimately resulting in cuts to important state programs.

a host of environmental regulations and borrow $252 million to rebuild Interstate 94 near the plant site.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-wisconsin-foxconn-tax-incentives-20170808-story.html
Yeah, but the kickbacks to Walker and his pals outweigh the 25-30 years of losses to the state.
 
I'm old enough to remember when Republicans were against government picking winters and losers in the free market.
Hey, I even remember when they were for a free market. Now it's all about consolidation and kickbacks and special deals. Where's the free market in that?

Not that I am proposing a truly free market, but those sorts of things are totally in the opposite direction.
 
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At the peril of....
Perhaps governments just need to call their bluff and let them move. And follow it up with a real honest and solid reason WHY they let them move away.
Government cannot be everything to everybody. Government's #1 responsibility to to provide for all its people. Not a business. Public safety, public health, public welfare are higher priorities for government than providing "tax incentives" for private business. Everyone understands these things cost money...and the government's money come from its people/land/business in the form of taxes. Everyone benefits from these services. Everyone.
 
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