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Won't Hillary be pretty much like Bill as President? Didn't Bill do pretty well? (other than that)

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I get that people don't like her. I get that people don't trust her. I didn't really trust Bill and wasn't overly surprised when his scandal broke. It might be sad that I expect all politicians are liars at this point, but I also think it's reality.

What I don't get is people thinking that Hillary will somehow blow up the country and be a horrendously incompetent President? It seems to me that we'll get pretty much what we had with Bill, which by most non-blinded by partisan accounts was pretty good. Isn't this really like a 3rd term for the Clintons?

Don't tell me she's a bitch, liar, or criminal. In this thread, tell me why you think she will destroy America if she will operate similarly to Bill? If you think she would be like Bill, and you think Bill either destroyed America or would if given a 3rd term, tell me why? If you think she will deviate dramatically from him, why do you think that?
 
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jamesvanderwulf said:
Newt going to help her out with a new " contract with America " to balance the budget?
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Yes. You don't think Ryan is up to Newt standards? The conservative congress to produce divided government is already in place. You need a D in the whitehouse to keep the Rs in check now.
 
Hillary will not repeal ObamaCare and a GOP President
would flush it down the drain and start over.

Hillary has no clue on how to create new jobs in this bad
economy. She was a disaster as Secretary of State and
never really had a clue about foreign policy.
 
LuteHawk said:
Hillary will not repeal ObamaCare and a GOP President
would flush it down the drain and start over.

Hillary has no clue on how to create new jobs in this bad
economy. She was a disaster as Secretary of State and
never really had a clue about foreign policy.
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Does Bill know how to create jobs? If so, can she ask him? Maybe she can bring you on board to help with foreign policy.
 
I was a teenager at the time, but I think he did ok. Also, in many countries of the world it's expected the leader will have mistresses, and be unfaithful to his wife. Not excusing it, but just saying that infidelity doesn't impact ones ability to lead (having to testify about it and endless investigations does though).

Bernie Sanders would destroy America given the opportunity, Hillary won't. She's very much the voice of reason in the room during Democratic debates.

Here's what concerns me about Hillary, which may not end up mattering in my lifetime but will in the lives of my children. I believe she'll continue what obama has started, and that's massive spending without cleanup of the current waste, and without regard to the deficit or debt. Continuing down that path can only lead to the money running out eventually, and the more dependent we are as a society on government funds, the less we'll be prepared to rebound. We've got to commit to cleaning up abuses and over-spending in our current government programs before committing more funding to them. My other problem with her is that she's simply a continuation of the ruling political class, and it'll be more of the same hate between parties and more of the same old leadership in Washington...

But that's easier to handle than getting nuked over something inflammatory our president has said to a legion of other world leaders...so maybe she'll be the least bad option.

In any case, it appears we'll all be thanking our forefathers for the system of checks and balances during the next presidency.
 
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Raglefant said:
I agree. Bill would be out much faster in this new world of camera phones and social media.
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Not only that but multiple women's groups would crucify him. Dude got caught lying under oath (what he lied about wasn't huge or a national security issue) it goes more towards his character than anything.

I'll say it again, the world has changed in 20 years.
 
Raglefant said:
I get that people don't like her. I get that people don't trust her. I didn't really trust Bill and wasn't overly surprised when his scandal broke. It might be sad that I expect all politicians are liars at this point, but I also think it's reality.

What I don't get is people thinking that Hillary will somehow blow up the country and be a horrendously incompetent President? It seems to me that we'll get pretty much what we had with Bill, which by most non-blinded by partisan accounts was pretty good. Isn't this really like a 3rd term for the Clintons?

Don't tell me she's a bitch, liar, or criminal. In this thread, tell me why you think she will destroy America if she will operate similarly to Bill? If you think she would be like Bill, and you think Bill either destroyed America or would if given a 3rd term, tell me why? If you think she will deviate dramatically from him, why do you think that?
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If by well you mean
-paving the way into Iraq(Iraqi Liberation Act),
-falsely claimed UNESCO inspectors had been thrown out in 1998.
-Four day bombing campaign in Iraq, which killed innocents and destroyed buildings not equated with WMD development, NONE FOUND by the way.
-signing legislation that helped increase prison populations,
-helped create the housing crisis,
-failed to obtain Bin Laden when given the chance,
-reversed the glass-steagall act,
-supported NAFTA,
-resurrected executive privilege(Nixon probably loved that),
-claimed immunity from Civil Lawsuits
-Used the FBI to criminalize people within the White House, to make room for his buddies
-Embarrassing himself with sexually deviant behavior in the White House and then lying about it to a National audience.
-failed to intervene in Rwanda(which saw 500,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost) depending on whom you believe in regards to the numbers


No, he really wasn't that great. At all if you are being honest about him.
 
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swagsurfer02 said:
Not only that but multiple women's groups would crucify him. Dude got caught lying under oath (what he lied about wasn't huge or a national security issue) it goes more towards his character than anything.

I'll say it again, the world has changed in 20 years.
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What it did though, was to distract from other things that were going on in his administration.
 
Vroom_C14 said:
I just wonder if she will get a BJ in the oval office?
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Huma Weiner will be servicing her needs from what my inside sources have confirmed.

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Glass Steagall was repealed by them

and the media consolidation was enabled.....

That is bad enough on its own.

The article in the NY Times about her Libya lobbying with Obama should be damning enough.

She is just terrible.
 
HawktimusPrime said:
If by well you mean
-paving the way into Iraq(Iraqi Liberation Act),
-falsely claimed UNESCO inspectors had been thrown out in 1998.
-Four day bombing campaign in Iraq, which killed innocents and destroyed buildings not equated with WMD development, NONE FOUND by the way.
-signing legislation that helped increase prison populations,
-helped create the housing crisis,
-failed to obtain Bin Laden when given the chance,
-reversed the glass-steagall act,
-supported NAFTA,
-resurrected executive privilege(Nixon probably loved that),
-claimed immunity from Civil Lawsuits
-Used the FBI to criminalize people within the White House, to make room for his buddies
-Embarrassing himself with sexually deviant behavior in the White House and then lying about it to a National audience.
-failed to intervene in Rwanda(which saw 500,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost) depending on whom you believe in regards to the numbers


No, he really wasn't that great. At all if you are being honest about him.
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Is it safe to say that in your opinion we have not had a good president yet? They are all serving someone else other than the people, no?
 
Since Hillary has a pattern of making deals that benefit herself or the Clinton Foundation, at the expense of the US, she would make a terrible POTUS. Just look at the deal where Russia padded the Foundation, and ended up with a significant portion of US uranium. That's really scary people. And for all you left leaning folks, please note this is from the NY Times.

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html
 
Are you comparing Hillary to Bill because they are married or do you see something in their political accomplishments that makes a match?
 
Raglefant said:
Is it safe to say that in your opinion we have not had a good president yet? They are all serving someone else other than the people, no?
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The Presidents play ball according to what groups like the CFR and the Trilateral Commission tell them to do. The day we get a President that actually strives to eliminate the lobbying and works for what is actually in the peoples best interest is when we will have a good President.
 
HawktimusPrime said:
The Presidents play ball according to what groups like the CFR and the Trilateral Commission tell them to do. The day we get a President that actually strives to eliminate the lobbying and works for what is actually in the peoples best interest is when we will have a good President.
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You could have just answered yes, you think the nation has managed fine for 200 years without a good president. Of course that does hang a lantern on how ridiculous your theories are.
 
Who says people don't like her or trust her? She is steamrolling the democratic primary and then will steamroll the general. So, I guess overall, people like and trust her plenty.

That being said, what will she be like as president? Democrat establishment. Not as terribly liberal as Obama.

Think Jimmy Carter, only more of a criminal.

I think the interesting question is what will Bill do when she is president?
 
TexMichFan said:
Are you comparing Hillary to Bill because they are married or do you see something in their political accomplishments that makes a match?
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In their political ideology? Absolutely. I get that they probably don't cuddle on the couch watching the Notebook, but to think that they aren't very closely aligned politically is bizarre. I view them as an incredibly ambitious team currently executing a plan formulated long ago. I'm not sure if the master they serve is the Clintons, lobbyists, or the illuminati, but to think they haven't accomplished what they have as a team is strange to me.
 
SJeagleEye said:
Who says people don't like her or trust her? She is steamrolling the democratic primary and then will steamroll the general. So, I guess overall, people like and trust her plenty.

That being said, what will she be like as president? Democrat establishment. Not as terribly liberal as Obama.

Think Jimmy Carter, only more of a criminal.
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Good points. I suspect that there are people here that don't like and trust her, so I was talking to those folks. You just called her a criminal, so maybe you're one of them:)
 
Yes, I am one of them. That being said, I don't like Trump either.

I can't believe we live in a country where are presidential election is going to be Hillary vs Trump.

We get what we deserve I guess, good grief.
 
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HawktimusPrime said:
If by well you mean
-paving the way into Iraq(Iraqi Liberation Act),
-falsely claimed UNESCO inspectors had been thrown out in 1998.
-Four day bombing campaign in Iraq, which killed innocents and destroyed buildings not equated with WMD development, NONE FOUND by the way.
-signing legislation that helped increase prison populations,
-helped create the housing crisis,
-failed to obtain Bin Laden when given the chance,
-reversed the glass-steagall act,
-supported NAFTA,
-resurrected executive privilege(Nixon probably loved that),
-claimed immunity from Civil Lawsuits
-Used the FBI to criminalize people within the White House, to make room for his buddies
-Embarrassing himself with sexually deviant behavior in the White House and then lying about it to a National audience.
-failed to intervene in Rwanda(which saw 500,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost) depending on whom you believe in regards to the numbers


No, he really wasn't that great. At all if you are being honest about him.
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Bill helped the banks ultimately steal trillions of dollars from pensions and retirements. I don't know how you could consider yourself a "progressive" and support Bill Clinton.
 
LuteHawk said:
Hillary will not repeal ObamaCare and a GOP President
would flush it down the drain and start over
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The only GOP candidate who says that with even the tiniest bit of credibility is Trump. And his very vague promises to replace it with something better are being soundly attacked by everybody else on the R side.

Basically this is a bait and switch claim from the right. They will attempt to do away with whatever parts of Obamacare the public will let them do away with. The end result will be closer to what we had before than what we have now, rather than improvements over either.

The reason we got Obamacare is because a huge majority of Americans were very upset by steadily rising insurance and healthcare costs. And a lot of Americans were also sympathetic to those without insurance, those with preexisting conditions, and so on.

If we go back to pre-Obamacare in any serious way, the American people will quickly be clamoring for something better again. The House of Reps probably flips back to D in 2018 on that - assuming the Ds can get their act together.

But that has nothing to do with why Hillary isn't a good choice if she is presumed to govern like Bill. Which was the OP's question.
 
I don't think republicans will get into office and flush obamacare. Republicans tend to get in office and don't know what the hell to do, other than to go act tough overseas somewhere.

And this is coming from a republican.

To think that a republican is going to come in and abolish obamacare is laughable, it has been law and on the books far to long now, and will be too difficult to change, mostly because it's a built in tax.
 
What Would Jesus Do? said:
Which is part of the reason why some of us call Bill the best modern Republican president.
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And makes me wonder why Rs often act as if the world will end if she becomes President. I understand why they are scared of Bernie, but if Hillary is anywhere close to a 3rd term for the Clintons, the catastrophic fear talk has to be mostly just political mumbo jumbo, which is fine.. 'tis the season.
 
HawktimusPrime said:
If by well you mean
-paving the way into Iraq(Iraqi Liberation Act),
-falsely claimed UNESCO inspectors had been thrown out in 1998.
-Four day bombing campaign in Iraq, which killed innocents and destroyed buildings not equated with WMD development, NONE FOUND by the way.
-signing legislation that helped increase prison populations,
-helped create the housing crisis,
-failed to obtain Bin Laden when given the chance,
-reversed the glass-steagall act,
-supported NAFTA,
-resurrected executive privilege(Nixon probably loved that),
-claimed immunity from Civil Lawsuits
-Used the FBI to criminalize people within the White House, to make room for his buddies
-Embarrassing himself with sexually deviant behavior in the White House and then lying about it to a National audience.
-failed to intervene in Rwanda(which saw 500,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost) depending on whom you believe in regards to the numbers


No, he really wasn't that great. At all if you are being honest about him.
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Pretty good list (although a few of those are trivial). And you seem to be the only person so far who has even partially addressed the OP's question.
 
I think the strength of Clinton's presidency was a vigorous economy. As long as Hillary is able to replicate the dotcom boom I suppose she will do just fine.
 
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