No, I don't think Indiana is a great team, but looking at their offense and defense, it is comparable to teams like Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma State. I could see Indiana putting up very similar numbers as those three teams if they competed in the Big 12 instead of the Big 10. If their schedule was similar to Oklahoma State's, having Baylor and Oklahoma left on their schedule, would they be 10-0 headed into those two games? They have a dominating running back and an above average quarterback with a flashy offense. I think they'd be in the running for a B12 championship this season.
Would Indiana be undefeated in the Big 12?
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I think they are better than Baylor and TCU. The Big 12 is weak. They don't deserve a spot in the playoffs. Just a pathetic conference.
The OP's post is ridiculous. Would a team that is 0-6 in the mighty BIG be undefeated in the Big 12? SMH. That is like saying that Texas would be undefeated in the BIG because they have a relatively decent defense and an inept, unskilled offense like most of the BIG (except for tOSU). I'm not saying the Big 12 has defenses that set the world on fire like Florida or Alabama but I also understand they have more than their share of fast paced, explosive offenses, with fantastic skill players that put a lot of pressure on defenses.
Yea, I tend to agree with this line, anywhere from 5-4 to 7-2. I don't think they'd beat Oklahoma, but everyone else would be in danger, and they'd probably nip up to 2 of the top 4. There's a chasm between the top 4 and the rest of the Big 12, and Indiana would probably fall in there somewhere. They're competing very well, and they're certainly built a lot more like a Big 12 team than a B1G team.
Say what? Texas currently is ranked 92nd at 428.7 yards per game and 87th in allowing 29.9 points per game in defense. Now, if you are an isu fan, then you are to be excused for mistaking that as anywhere close to 'relatively decent'. Otherwise, you immediately lose any and all credibility bringing such nonsense into this discussion.
It is mostly because the big xii has no interest in defense that those offenses appear so 'explosive' - not vice-versa.
If Iowa had a win over Michigan, Michigan State, or Ohio State would people feel the need to hype up bottom feeders?
If Iowa loses to Nebraska, Ohio State, and their bowl game will anybody still think Indiana is some great team?
Most questions will be answered in the next few weeks.
If Iowa loses to Nebraska, Ohio State, and their bowl game will anybody still think Indiana is some great team?
Most questions will be answered in the next few weeks.
Not an ISU fan, Okie State. Just checked out the website to see where you thought you'd be in the CFP and found this nugget. I don't mind you all pimping your team/conference, but saying the Big 12 is garbage is a little harsh. As foolish as it is for me to say BIG offenses are garbage because their defense looks so good, it is the same to say all Big 12 defenses are garbage without taking into account their pace, spread attack and offenses.
Indiana would be a winning team in the Big 12. They are a really good offense and would be even better against the Big 12 defenses. I remember they played Missouri one or two years ago and won and everybody thought it was big fluke (not that Missouri is in the Big 12 anymore).
The B1G and SEC play championship style football, while the Big 12 plays flashy football. Indiana would fit in perfect in the Big 12. I also never said the Big 12 has garbage defenses. They just tired, they been running all game, and I know that don't confront you as long as you get your touchdowns and gimmicks next Saturday. Now next Saturday come and you don't play defense, then out the door the CFP just went. Bob Stoops.
I have to agree with Cruo in the sense that the Big 10 and SEC play championship style football. That does not make the Big 12 a bad conference in the slightest. They have a ton of talent, spread you out and make plays. However, the Big 12 got taught a bit of a lesson last bowl season (minus TCU). There are extremely talented teams in the conference along with outstanding fan bases/coaches. The flashiness tends to wear off when they play the SEC and Big Ten teams, though. Baylor put their points up but still took the L. To me, that flashiness really only goes so far when it comes to bowl games. Teams are well prepared to stop it and most power 5 conference teams have the playmakers to not get spread out too much.
Back to the original post... cmon man! Indiana is no slouch but to say they would be undefeated right now in the Big 12 is ridiculous. They're a WV, Tech caliber team who could win some games but nothing more.
Back to the original post... cmon man! Indiana is no slouch but to say they would be undefeated right now in the Big 12 is ridiculous. They're a WV, Tech caliber team who could win some games but nothing more.
Indiana, Minny and Illinois would all be a factor in the Big12 but none would be undefeated. All are mid-level teams with PSU one notch above them. Us, MSU, Mich, and OSU (not necessarily this order) would be likely be among the top teams of the Big 12 and I think we are a lot like Oklahoma.
Michigan School for the Deaf would have a shot at an undefeated season in the B12. They don't play defense. Simply a basketball on grass type of conference. Probably where Rich Rod should be. His offensive style is hella fun vs schools like that.
I don't know about NO defense, depends on the team. West Virginia beat Maryland 45-6, Oklahoma over ISU 52-16 and TCU over Minnesota 23-17 (beat ISU 45-24 so that maybe evens out). Those scoring totals are quite a bit lower than we held them to and we have a very good defense.
I would congratulate Indiana on a string of very close losses (except MSU), but this is also a team that beat Southern Illinois 49-48. They are not in the top half of any major conference.
I would congratulate Indiana on a string of very close losses (except MSU), but this is also a team that beat Southern Illinois 49-48. They are not in the top half of any major conference.
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The Big 12 needs to get a team into the playoff before it can be considered a major conference again.
Ok, so Iowa averages a measly 33.6 ppg, only 37th nationally and they pass and rush for nearly identical 209/211ypg. 22 first downs/game.
That must pale compared to Ok St and the vaunted big 12, right?
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Still does not justify a "relatively decent" descriptive of defenses in the big xii.
Using NCAA reports the collective average big xii team allows over 441 yard per game for the 2015 season thus far. That would place the big xii in approximately 100th place (127 possible) in comparison to other teams from other conferences. That is not even close to 'relatively decent'.
There are reasons that the big xii failed to have any team in the initial CFP last year. One of those is the fact that the big xii neglects to play defense with any degree of consistency or worth. Turn on any media source currently discussing the possibilities and it is very likely that you will hear, '... the big xii does not play/feature/utilize defense.' The perception is the reality.
5-5 or somewhere in that range. Texas tech level. Instead of losing 35-30 against the B1G's top teams, they'd lose 55-50 against Baylor and OSU due to a lack of athletes.
The thread title is pretty far fetched
The thread title is pretty far fetched
I think all of the Power-5 conferences are pretty similar and to say otherwise is just hating to hate. It's been proven over many many years that the best of any conference can hang with the best of another conference: OU beating Bama a few years ago, Ohio State winning the CFP, TCU beating Ole Miss, two highly competitive Michigan State games vs. Baylor and Stanford.
There are different styles in every conference and some of those styles would help teams and some would hurt teams. Indiana is nowhere near good enough to win more than 8 games in the Big 12 Conference. I would put them on the same level as Texas Tech or West VA... I think they would lose shoot-outs to BAY, TCU, OU and Okie St.
BUT undefeated Indiana??? They had back n forth games with WKU, Wake Forest and Southern Illinois plus a loss to Rutgers. I mean come on.
As much as fans like to pump their chests about their favorite conference, when it comes down to it... the Power-5 is pretty similar (granted there are good and bad years for every conference). Hell, look at the Big Ten last year... for a majority of the year it was dogged by national pundits THEN OSU won title and MSU beat Baylor.
What are people in this thread going to say if OU punishes the CFP teams (not likely but possible)?
There are different styles in every conference and some of those styles would help teams and some would hurt teams. Indiana is nowhere near good enough to win more than 8 games in the Big 12 Conference. I would put them on the same level as Texas Tech or West VA... I think they would lose shoot-outs to BAY, TCU, OU and Okie St.
BUT undefeated Indiana??? They had back n forth games with WKU, Wake Forest and Southern Illinois plus a loss to Rutgers. I mean come on.
As much as fans like to pump their chests about their favorite conference, when it comes down to it... the Power-5 is pretty similar (granted there are good and bad years for every conference). Hell, look at the Big Ten last year... for a majority of the year it was dogged by national pundits THEN OSU won title and MSU beat Baylor.
What are people in this thread going to say if OU punishes the CFP teams (not likely but possible)?
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