He is a Butler clone with great health. I have seen him multiple times tear up good defenses.
yes...Sargent IS that good.
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not to be intentionally disagreeable, but don't we have to consider the level of competition he faced? I really hope he does well against Big 10 defenses too, but just seems to me that it would be kind of hard for us to guage when you consider the competition against whom he's played.
Hopefull the coaches know/ saw something that we don't know.
Hopefull the coaches know/ saw something that we don't know.
Didn't the kid have 5K+ yards in HS in Fla's 2nd highest class? I think there might be some 'there, there'. IWCC plays the top of the JUCO ranks. But not the Cali JUCO's. JUCO's are weird and parochial. They have different championships because they don't have a single governing body.
I would take accomplishments on a juco feild to have much more credibility than any level of HS.
I've golfed with the IWCC FB coaches (only socially, and on more than one occasion) and I'm friends with their former athletic director. This kid is good, real good. Their word, not mine. No sh*t, IWCC will get a 100 kids show up for camp, and they have to quickly evaluate talent to reduce their roster. They are restricted to the number of 'out of state' kids, so they evaluate the top out of staters first. From what I understand, Sargent was one of the top 2. Then they fill the roster with the required number of Iowa kids. This is the 'Platinum' program in non-Cali JUCO's. Be thankful, until Frost starts raiding it.
appreciate all the input,guys. You obviously are a lot closer to the situation than I am. so let's be cautiously optimistic that Sargent is the real deal,
and, yeah, I share your concern about Frost. Just because of the propinquity alone, you know, it seems like a foregone conclusion that Nebraska will soon raid IWCC.
Is propinquity some new recruiting method the holers are using? Hopefully IWCC finds it ultra creepy like Harblows' sleepovers and tells him to move along.
Nixon and Sargent were thought to be the best talents on the team, BTW. I wouldn't loose any sleep about Brock. The sky is 'not' falling. This kid is better than Brock, sans 1 year of eligibility. IWCC has been putting 11 to 17 each year with D1 programs. Brock should have committed when he had the opportunity. Too bad, he will regret it.
no, it is just kind of an obscure synonym for geographic location. it also can mean comradarie too, but I used it here to mean geography.
sorry about the confusion; it is just that I have been in the word business for many years.
re: the poster's comments about Brock, I am not too worried about that either. It appears we have a lot of viable candidates for the next few years for the tailback spot, and a couple good ones should emerge.
Iowa Western's program is legit and probably has as much if not more NFL talent on it's roster than most of the roster's in P5 conference including Iowa's first off. Secondly, JUCO sports and athletes are no joke, especially the caliber of opponents IWCC plays.
This kid won't disappoint. I've seen him play twice at LC field. Durable and fast. Good receiver out of the backfield. Soft hands. There is not an Iowa player I can compare him to. If I had to pick one (rushing), I would say he's very close to Sedrick Shaw with a little more 'top end' speed and better hands.
It certainly is obscure thesaurus rex. I get it tho. I think Brock will not be missed ultimately. Knock on wood.
Totally agree. Heller is robbing their baseball program to build the Hawks. Cropley (Iowa Western Grad) was just named 2nd team all American catcher. And they also have had more than one IWCC grad on their roster. Google Cropleyfor giggles. My concern is that Frost starts robbing it. When we just started a pipeline.
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I would have thought that Chester Graves would have been considered one of the best on the team. The other two were definitely "up there" too though.
Not to mention other top 20 programs in D1 baseball, IWCC baseball and football are pretty rich in talent, probably a mix of recruiting and development. I am not any more or less worried about Frost than I was about PJ, Lovie, or any of the other "flash in the pan" coaches that have been hired recently. I will believe it when I see it, sure his offense could be explosive in the Big 10, or they could continue to get their crap pushed in when it comes to power big ten football. Nebby has always had top recruiting classes and fancy skill position players, but the scoreboard favors the more disciplined and tougher team more often than not.
http://www.goreivers.com/sports/fball/2017-18/news
Keep in mind that IWCC and it's coaches have unequivocally stated that this kid is the best running back to EVER step foot at IWCC. They have only had a football program for 8 years, but own a National JUCO Championship and (an overall) 73 and 18 all time record. Pretty damn impressive and Sargent was a major part of it last year. Good job Coach Strohmeier.
Keep in mind that IWCC and it's coaches have unequivocally stated that this kid is the best running back to EVER step foot at IWCC. They have only had a football program for 8 years, but own a National JUCO Championship and (an overall) 73 and 18 all time record. Pretty damn impressive and Sargent was a major part of it last year. Good job Coach Strohmeier.
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Shaw doesn't come to mind when I see that video. Built more like Emmitt Smith? I don't know. But low center of gravity quick feet hard to bring down. Should be fun to watch
He plays nothing like Shaw at all. That's a horrible comparison.
Not that speed determines a great RB.. however not even sure what his 40 or 100 times are? Hopefully under the 4.6 in the forty.. but I will take quickness and shiftiness in the hole over speed any day as long as he can gobble 6 yards per carry its alllllll good
As much as I think the kid has legit talent, this seems like more of a depth/experience issue first and foremost. Secondly I think the coaches like what they see in Young and Kelly-Martin but want to push them more with automatic increased competition from a guy who's done it consistently on the college level before.
So as good as the reports have been about him, why did he not have more offers? What were his offers coming out of HS?
he reminds me of Daniels powerful runner between the tackles that can catch the ball. been reading about how this great and all powerful Frost is suddenly close the door to recruiting IWCC, Not going to happen this staff has to strong of a relationship built up.
late qualifier like Dixon and being from Florida there were to many other players to choose from so he was passed over.
If a coach places a player at IWCC, the coaches there restrict other coaches from recruiting the player (unless there has been a mutual separation). FWIW That's how 'foul' was called in the Bama/Nixon ordeal.
No it wasn’t.. Iowa had signed Nixon. Bama can not talk to a signed players...
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We should recognize that any running back with the requisite skills--decent speed, quickness, toughness, vision, etc.--will be a good RB at any level IF he has adequate blocking. It's all about the line. The greatest RBs in NFL and college history have been great because they had lines who gave them room to run. And the greatest RBs in NFL and college history have failed miserably when the lines failed to give them those holes.
So the question isn't how good were the defenses Sargent ran against in HS or CC, it's does the kid have the tools required of a good RB. And it appears the answer to that is yes. So his success depends on the OL, and I think all of Iowa's RBs will be successful thanks to solid play on the line.
So the question isn't how good were the defenses Sargent ran against in HS or CC, it's does the kid have the tools required of a good RB. And it appears the answer to that is yes. So his success depends on the OL, and I think all of Iowa's RBs will be successful thanks to solid play on the line.
I misspoke. I thought he was released. Can't argue if he was still under signature.
Unfortunately, I cannot knock on wood since I am surrounded by cheap particle board glued sawdust furniture. But if I could, I would.
Technically, glued sawdust is still wood, so maybe I am still ok. Carry on.
I agree the lines are the key there is just one RB, that is probably the goat, who was amazing with crappy lines. Another under appreciated aspect is some guys can run behind zone blocking and some guys just dont get it. If he gets it, he could be a handful at 5'9 215.
We played down at Key West when he was only a sophomore. He went for 120+ on only 10-12 carries. My son was a senior. Said in 4 years of playing football he was one of the toughest kids to tackle. As I understand his lack of offers, he suffered some serious unfounded character assassination attempts which caused him to miss some school. Instead of listening to his side of the story and/or doing a little research schools simply backed off and moved on. From what I know he is a good kid who went through some BS and fought through it.
Edited to add: My son said playing at KW was the best environment he played in over the course of his 4 years. Place was packed. Marching band was loud. They egged our bus coming and going. We won.
Edited to add: My son said playing at KW was the best environment he played in over the course of his 4 years. Place was packed. Marching band was loud. They egged our bus coming and going. We won.
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I agree the lines are the key there is just one RB, that is probably the goat, who was amazing with crappy lines. Another under appreciated aspect is some guys can run behind zone blocking and some guys just dont get it. If he gets it, he could be a handful at 5'9 215.
I thought of Sanders too when I saw this comment. I could have been a lineman for him, and he would still score.
