Anwar al Awlaki did not engage in any of those activities, yet we droned him. Why can't we drone Robertson, Hagee, Vander Plaats and the like? Do we have to wait until they travel abroad?
Zakaria: Saying ‘radical Islam’ has nothing to do with defeating terrorism
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...civilians can be killed if doing so is part of a proportional response. If the Americans are known to be purposefully killing Muslim civilians, the argument goes, then jihadi Salafis are justified in killing American civilians. In making this argument, some have suggested that U.S. war technology is so accurate that every civilian death must be intentional, thus justifying the targeting of any American civilian.
...civilians can be killed if they betray Islam by assisting the enemy. In making this argument, jihadi Salafi groups have greatly broadened the definition of betrayal to include anyone (journalists, researchers, government workers, etc.) who might be seen as supporting the enemies of Islam.
Working in this tradition, bin Laden claimed that all American citizens may be targeted because they live in a democratic nation and are directly responsible for the actions of their government. Similarly, a Muslim civilian can be killed for assisting the enemy since such assistance serves as evidence that the individual is not really Muslim.
Stern, Jessica; Berger, J. M. ISIS: The State of Terror
No, I think the exact opposite is what is happening. And you give a good example: If a person said it was for star wars you'd call them crazy. Hell, when a person gives a non-crazy response, like killing people at an abortion clinic in order to protect babies they are labeled crazy. Any "Christian" who commits an atrocity is clearly crazy.
But, if they say it was for Islam, they are de-facto not crazy, foreign enemy terrorists.
I will just repost your last line with corrections:
ITS EFFING CRAZY. if they are proclaiming theses murders in the name of ________________________________ then I believe they are being truthful thinking otherwise is being naïve
Why are Christian, or any other "regular" non-m.e. person who commits these crimes simply crazy? Why is their reason for doing so any more crazy than a muslim's?
I think everyone here that you are posting this to does get that. Unfortunately many people, including some on here, think it is the worlds inhabitants vs. Islam.
I see where you went, but I'm urging you to take it the other direction. If you believe that the "I did it for Islam" guys should be presumed truthful ... why not do the same for all of the ones you dismiss as lunatics?
I'm not here to claim that those who did it for Islam are crazy, I'm here mostly saying that blaming it on "crazy" is a pointless waste of time and leads to no workable solution.
But, seriously, if a Christian did the exact same things as the San Bernadino pair they would be labeled crazy. The Colorado theater shooter did a similar act, compiled a large amount of weapons, even booby-trapped his home, yet he is just dismissed as a lunatic (except by the jury). Calling them crazy allows us to move on in blissful ignorance.
Unfortunately if we really do believe that it is mental illness, it is extremely sad that we are all but defunding mental health programs right now.
I like this.
Like you, I'm willing to accept the killer terrorists at their word when they claim to be killing for Allah.
Here's the difference. If star wars superfans kill those who disagree with them about star wars, no one says all star wars fans are terrorists and that they and anyone near them deserve to die. No one even says we have to lock up all star wars fans, or ban them, or tap their phones, or put them in a database....
Yet that's the sort of logic most on the GOP dais want us to buy. Call it what you want: scapegoating, racism, fascism, delusional, stupid ... it's going way too far.
If there was an active and growing organization of Star Wars fans that were planning, plotting, advertising, and enacting these sort of events people most definitely would be trending in this direction.
It's spiritual illness and not caused bc of a lack of religious spiritualism but rather bc of an over abundance or it.
