His QB coach was an offensive lineman. That pretty much sums it up.It makes no sense at all to miss that badly or the lack of any coaching while they’re here
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His QB coach was an offensive lineman. That pretty much sums it up.It makes no sense at all to miss that badly or the lack of any coaching while they’re here
Hill was bad enough throughout the season where Lainez should have been given some in game opportunities. He did not look comfortable throwing in the bowl game but people are on here extrapolating his 7 passes like it is a reasonable sample size.That’s fine….i didn’t see it. If he came in, made some timely passes, with his timely runs & scored 2 TDS I would expect we would’ve had a lot of players transfer out, but no,… they already knew the same thing that I saw…,another extremely flawed quarterback. That still didn’t run for a touchdown.
Also, Tennessee was in all out kill the QB mode as we were down big.Hill was bad enough throughout the season where Lainez should have been given some in game opportunities. He did not look comfortable throwing in the bowl game but people are on here extrapolating his 7 passes like it is a reasonable sample size.
Hill has a big arm, but a qb with tree roots was exactly what we did not need given our poor OL and receiving corps.
Either way, it shows you just cannot have enough good qb on the roster.
Hill has no touch, he can't move. He's not a D1 qb, period.
I watch a lot of FCS. He's not an FCS qb either. Nice enough guy, he can't pass or run.
hill: 0.5Where did you get those stats from? This site shows Hill at 42.8 QB rating for the Tennessee game and Lainez at 33.4.
They wanted the shut out, did the blitzing look like they were playing prevent?So you put in your second string offense and not your second string defense? You play tight coverage, really I thought you play soft to make sure they do not get a quick TD.
69 timesAfter having seen Marco take off and run from the pocket in the bowl game, what would be your guess or opinion of to answer the thread title question?
My gut feeling is there might have been 2-3 times per game where Marco might have been back to pass and been able to scamper for a first down on 3rd down or gain good yardage on 1st or 2nd down.
And there could have been more opportunities to make 3rd and short yardage by faking a handoff and keeping the ball or just running a counter naked bootleg. So maybe he picks up another 1 or 2 1st downs.
I have always heard football analysts say the QB is the only unaccounted for player on most offensive snaps. Just Marco's legs and running ability might have been good for 5 or so 1st downs per game and definitely more points. Now it might not have made for wins versus PSU, MICH, or Tenn but those games could have been much closer. And just having two good drives in the 2nd half against Minny makes that probably an easy win.
Plus I love sweep type running plays, wide running plays to the wide side of the field because it makes the fatboy defensive linemen run a lot of yards while trying to fend off blocks. It tires them out for the last 20 minutes of the game.
So how many 1st downs via the run do you think Marco could have made? Are you ready for at least a decent running QB?
He won't though. Kirk said point blank that Lainez will be competing for #2 spot.I do love the evaluation of Lainez as a QB based on his mop up duty against Tennessee. And then throwing up his numbers as some objective basis for judging his ability to be an effective quarterback. Other than his ability to scramble, which could have come in handy at times, what he did in the last half of the fourth quarter provides no meaningful insight into what he will do in the future. I have no clue if he'll be a QB1, but he should get his chances this spring.
What has deteriorated the most has been the O-line and the protection and or run blocking they once provided the offense as a whole. Needs to be fixed before any of the Offensive numbers see improvement.And it’s not like we make tons of risky throws. A lot of TE, RB and short passes.
TBF, Stanley averaged over 59% his last two seasons, so not far off. But we have fallen off since he left. Petras was at 57, 57, 55 and Hill was below 50 IIRC.
Yes, but we need to recruit QB's who can convert more off schedule throws. Stanley, Petras and Hill are not exactly setting the bar in that regard. Petras could have had better protection but missed a lot of "easy" throws, and largely had a decent group of receivers. Hill has experienced the perfect storm of poor protection, maybe a decent running game and certainly terrible receiving options. But he also missed a lot of make-able throws.What has deteriorated the most has been the O-line and the protection and or run blocking they once provided the offense as a whole. Needs to be fixed before any of the Offensive numbers see improvement.
If Marco shines during spring drills and still impresses in August then maybe it is Lester's decision on who starts or if Cade starts but Marco gets actual game series or game play repsHe won't though. Kirk said point blank that Lainez will be competing for #2 spot.
We'll never know, will we?You guys act like we had 4 QBs on the roster better…the real tragedy is that’s how poor our QB recruiting is, because we didn’t….
So you believe that was a fair and equitable evaluation compared to what Hill was given?Sure we do….we watched him play…doh!
So you believe that was a fair and equitable evaluation compared to what Hill was given?
Buddy, it’s extremely well known, board to board the fans are always complaining the coaches are playing the wrong guys. Why would I put any effort into changing your option…seriously…
I saw a guy with some athleticism, and an ability to scramble for a first down that couldn’t complete a pass…or score TDS
You saw a guy that looked exciting, ran fast and got first downs….:
But at the end of the day, no TDs…
But again, it’s a well know fact, coaches rarely play the guys they think give them the best chance to win.. and if you were an ISU fan you’d wonder why their coaches aren’t play the right guys too…
That’s what fans like you do….
Let's say you're the HC, would you have continued to start Deacon then?
They've all missed makeable passes. They've all had multiple passes dropped at crucial moments that would have retained possession of, or scored points after.Yes, but we need to recruit QB's who can convert more off schedule throws. Stanley, Petras and Hill are not exactly setting the bar in that regard. Petras could have had better protection but missed a lot of "easy" throws, and largely had a decent group of receivers. Hill has experienced the perfect storm of poor protection, maybe a decent running game and certainly terrible receiving options. But he also missed a lot of make-able throws.
Agree on the O line piece, it has gotten bad. Many QB faces the same challenges with bigger and faster d lineman coming at them all game. Even better pocket awareness and ability to move within the pocket well are traits we are generally not seeing for Iowa QB’s lately. I am excited for change but am skeptical we won’t see much under KF, would love to be wrong.They've all missed makeable passes. They've all had multiple passes dropped at crucial moments that would have retained possession of, or scored points after.
Until you've been on the receiving end of a D-lineman running through you while throwing a pass you really have no idea how these guys dealt with the frustrating play in front of them. Would a more athletic QB changed things over all? It's possible the numbers would have been more positive and being more athletic has got to be an asset no matter what position is involved. All I know is a few times of getting lit up will make your feet happy and possibly hurry your reads and throw passes that look damn ugly from the stands. And when you actually hit someone in the hands and it's dropped. It sucks.
I just hope they can get some continuity up front and get THE ATTITUDE back the O-line use to play with. It ain't pretty sometimes but the wear and tear the BIGS inflict during the game does pan out later in the game. I miss that part of IOWA football.
Right? Or go with the least mobile qb in Iowa history.I totally get when our O-Line has been bad for several years now but wouldn’t that make our QB awareness even better? Man I’m hoping for the best with our new OC and QB he selects.
I find it impossible to believe that a guy who completed 81% of his passes his senior year in HS all of a sudden can’t throw now. Call it first game jitters or whatever, but judging him on such a minute sample and saying that is who he is, is a bit much. Hill showed week after week after week who he was.I think the 2nd string couldn’t complete a pass and a running QB who can’t throw won’t last long.
Love how you project your thoughts into my opinion, but the truth is, I've watched decades of college football and I saw the worst starting QB at this level in all my years of watching college ball. To believe that KF went out and found a QB, who I assume we won away from other offers, that was even a lower quality than the worst I've seen is truly hard to believe. Unfortunately, we all know of KF's relentless, slavish devotion to his first pick no matter the results, in this case worst in the nation. If all of our backups are truly poorer than Hill, they have no business being on the squad and, once again, that's on the head coach. If they are not getting any reps in practice to simply justify Kirk's decision to trot out Hill every game, than that's doing a great disservice to not only the recruits, but to the fans and the football program as a whole.Buddy, it’s extremely well known, board to board the fans are always complaining the coaches are playing the wrong guys. Why would I put any effort into changing your option…seriously…
I saw a guy with some athleticism, and an ability to scramble for a first down that couldn’t complete a pass…or score TDS
You saw a guy that looked exciting, ran fast and got first downs….:
But at the end of the day, no TDs…
But again, it’s a well know fact, coaches rarely play the guys they think give them the best chance to win.. and if you were an ISU fan you’d wonder why their coaches aren’t play the right guys too…
That’s what fans like you do….
I find it impossible to believe that a guy who completed 81% of his passes his senior year in HS all of a sudden can’t throw now. Call it first game jitters or whatever, but judging him on such a minute sample and saying that is who he is, is a bit much. Hill showed week after week after week who he was.
We will never know if he or Kirk makes that decision.I have no idea weather or not Cade will be ready, but if he is, I am assuming he will be the starter. If Lester is 100% making the decision on the starter and if Hill is ahead of Lainez then and only then, fine.
You are just not coming off as objective IMO. I tried rallying around Hill this season, he has a big arm and not a lot of help I will admit. But he is without question the least mobile QB I have seen in the last 10-15 years. His pocket presence is awful.Probably not, but since I’m now the head coach, I’m prepays to tell you Marco was not ready….our QB recruiting and development sucks, but we weren’t playing the wrong guy per se….we had no guy.
And it’s sad really. Not any sadder than fans getting to see their “hero backup, quarterback, play” and then somehow convinced themselves he really was a better option. Lol that’s sad too but the fact that a program like Iowa has no quarterbacks is really gross….
Well, Petras completed 63% his senior year in HS and couldn’t reach 60% during his tenure with the Hawks. I doubt Lainez has regressed so much that his small completion percentage in the 7 passes he threw is representative of what he shows on a daily basis. Just doesn’t make any sense.Seems to happen all the time with us?