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*************NCAA Wrestling Championships Session 4************

Wrestling might be the only sport you could say over the last five years that iowa is better than iowa state tho lol. They def got iowa in fb and basketball (not this year tho). Not sure about baseball.
Iowa football has won last 5 meetings.
Iowa basketball has won 4 of last 5.
Iowa Wrestling has won so many in a row that it’s almost not worth counting at this point.
Iowa state not had baseball since 2001. So we are on a 20 year win streak there by forfeit.

what are you on?? And can I have some?
 
I gotta tell you, I'm no doctor, but Alex looked a hell of a lot better than Spencer Lee at the end of that match with Griffith. So unless he injured himself after the match, I'm not sure why he didn't strap on the headgear and at least give it a try against Amine. I'm sure his ribs hurt really bad, but I didn't see him spitting up blood or falling over half dead...and these are the NCAA championships and we are in a dogfight for our first team title in a decade...

If he would have beaten Griffith and his next match would be for the individual title I wonder if he would have given it a try...

Hate that he's injured and hope he's OK! Also, hope he doesn't wake up Sunday morning regretting that he didn't at least give it a try...

I trust Jesse Donnenwerth. If he says you don't wrestle, then you don't wrestle, even with a title on the line (and this year we are so far ahead of the pack, that thankfully it wasn't).
 
Brother: Are you still up in the DC area or were you heading that way a couple years back when we both seemed to be in DC a few days apart?
Yep, still here. Lived here nearly 5 years, longer than anyplace since I graduated high school and left Iowa. Seems strange to not move every couple of years.
 
I trust Jesse Donnenwerth. If he says you don't wrestle, then you don't wrestle, even with a title on the line (and this year we are so far ahead of the pack, that thankfully it wasn't).
If it really is a broken rib, he could puncture a lung wrestling with it. Probably out of his hands at that point.
 
Brackets | Team Scores

ST. LOUIS -- University of Iowa wrestlers Spencer Lee, Jaydin Eierman and Michael Kemerer advanced to the finals of the 2021 NCAA Championships following semifinal wins Friday night at the Enterprise Center.

The Hawkeyes lead the team race with 109 points and have seven All-Americans competing Saturday. In addition to its three finalists, Austin DeSanto, Kaleb Young, Jacob Warner and Tony Cassioppi will compete in Saturday morning’s medal rounds.

“We have a lot more wrestling to go and that’s where our priority is,” said Iowa head coach Tom Brands. “These guys want to get ready to wrestle tough matches and that’s what they do best. That’s where I am at and that’s my message.”

Iowa’s trio of top-seeded finalists rolled through their competition and into the championship match. Lee, Eierman and Kemerer outscored their opponents a combined 142-29, scoring bonus points in 10 of 12 wins.

Lee is making his third straight appearance in the finals. He won the 125-pound title in 2018 and 2019. Eierman and Kemerer are both four-time All-Americans, but first-time NCAA finalists.

Lee said he feels “fantastic” heading into the finals, and noted the difference between this year and previous seasons was the noise level, “I’m used to hearing loud Iowa fans.” He will wrestle No. 3 Brandon Courtney from Arizona State for a chance to become a three-time NCAA Champion. Only six wrestlers in program history have won three national titles.

Eierman will get a rematch of his 2021 Big Ten title match when he faces No. 2 Nick Lee of Penn State in the 141-pound finals. Eierman defeated Lee 6-5 at the conference championships March 7. He advanced to the national finals with his second straight fall, this time pinning N.C. State’s Tariq Wilson in two minutes, 59 seconds.

“This is the reason I came to Iowa. I knew they could help me take my level of wrestling to the next level,” Eierman said. “It’s working on the basics and it worked out that match. I got my legs back and put him to his back and do what I do best.”

Kemerer is back in the NCAA tournament for the first time since wrestling as a sophomore in 2018. He placed fourth that year and third as a freshman in 2017. He scored bonus points in his first three matches of the tournament, and handled No. 12 Bernie Truax of Cal-Poly, 8-1, in the 174-pound semis.

“It’s good to get into the finals. I’m ready to go,” said Kemerer. “This is something I have dreamt and thought about for a long time. These are awesome days of my life right now. I am putting on this singlet and going out and competing and cherishing every moment of it. I’m excited to do it again tomorrow.”

Like Eierman, Kemerer will get a rematch from the Big Ten finals, where he was a 7-2 winner over his NCAA finals opponent, Carter Starocci of Penn State.

DeSanto and Cassioppi both dropped semifinal matches and were bounced to the backside of the bracket. They compete in the consolation semifinals Saturday at 133 and 285, respectively.

Jacob Warner won a pair of matches in the wrestle-backs to secure All-America honors and advance to the consolation semifinals. Kaleb Young won in the blood round to earn All-America honors, but fell in the consolation semifinals and will wrestle for seventh place Saturday.

Max Murin and Alex Marinelli saw their tournaments end in the Round of 12. Murin lost 2-1 in the first tiebreak period at 149, his second overtime loss of the tournament, and Marinelli medically forfeited at 165.

The Hawkeyes lead Penn State by 14.5 points in the team race. Oklahoma State is in third with 86.5 points Arizona State and Michigan round out the top five with 67 and 58.5 points, respectively.

The NCAA Championships continue Saturday at 10 a.m. (CT). ESPN2 and ESPN3 are providing television and online coverage of the medal rounds. The finals begin at 6 p.m. on ESPN. The finals begin with the 133-pound championship match and end with the 125-pound championship match.

NOTABLES

Iowa has had at least one NCAA finalist in each of the last 31 tournaments.

Iowa has three finalists for the first time since 2016 (Gilman, Clark, Sorensen).

Lee has outscored his four opponents 52-8 on his way to the finals. He improved to 14-0 in his career at the NCAA Wrestling Championships, outscoring those 14 opponents 169-21.

Lee has won 34 straight, outscoring his opponents, 425-42.

Lee is making his third straight appearance in the NCAA Finals. The last Hawkeye to make three straight trips to the NCAA finals was Cory Clark (2015-17).

Jaydin Eierman is making his first career NCAA finals appearance.

Kaleb Young won three matches on the backside of the bracket to earn All-America honors.

Michael Kemerer advanced to his first NCAA finals. He has outscored his four opponents, 60-13.Iowa has seven All-Americans, its highest total since 2010 (8).

Iowa has had at least five All-Americans in eight straight seasons and 13 times in head coach Tom Brands’ 15 years.

IOWA’S NCAA SEMIFINAL RESULTS

125 – #1 Spencer Lee (Iowa) major dec. #4 Drew Hildebrandt (CMU), 11-0

133 – #1 Daton Fix (OKST) dec. #4 Austin DeSanto (Iowa), 3-2

141 – #1 Jaydin Eierman (Iowa) pinned #4 Tariq Wilson (NCST), 2:59

174 – #1 Michael Kemerer (Iowa) dec. #12 Bernie Truax (POLY), 8-1

285 – Gable Steveson major dec. #5 Tony Cassioppi (Iowa), 16-6.

IOWA’S ROUND OF 12 RESULTS

149 – #8 Jaden Abas (STAN) dec. #12 Max Murin (Iowa), 2-1 TB1

157 – #5 Kaleb Young (Iowa) major dec. #23 Jacob Wright (WYO), 10-2

165 – #1 Alex Marinelli (Iowa) mff.

197 – #5 Jacob Warner (Iowa) dec. #10 Cam Caffey (MSU), 4-1

IOWA’S CONSOLATION QUARTERFINAL RESULTS

157 – #6 Brayton Lee (MINN) dec. #5 Kaleb Young (Iowa), 3-2

197 – #5 Jacob Warner (Iowa) dec. #8 Stephen Buchanan (WYO), 6-3

IOWA’S NCAA FINALS MATCHUP

125 – #1 Spencer Lee (Iowa) vs. #3 Brandon Courtney (ASU)

141 – #1 Jaydin Eierman (Iowa) vs. #2 Nick Lee (PSU)

174 – #1 Michael Kemerer (Iowa) vs. #3 Carter Starocci (PSU)

CONSOLATION SEMIFINAL MATCHUPS

133 – #4 Austin DeSanto (Iowa) vs. #9 Michael MaGee (ASU)

197 – #5 Jacob Warner (Iowa) vs. #26 Jake Woodley (OKLA)

285 – #5 Tony Cassioppi (Iowa) vs. #14 Trent Hilger (WIS)

SEVENTH-PLACE MATCHUPS

157 – #5 Kaleb Young (IA) vs. #33 Wyatt Sheets (OKST)

TEAM STANDINGS

IOWA 109

Penn State 94.5

Oklahoma St. 86.5

Arizona State 67.0

Michigan 58.5

Missouri 56.5

NC State 56.5

Minnesota 55.5

Ohio State 45.5

Pittsburgh 40.5
 
Chiaparelli maybe 6'2. ??
6’2” is one of the tallest? Maybe this is why I never got into wrestling when I was a kid, I was 6’4” by 8th grade (only grew an inch after that) and about 180. I see these guys wrestling at 125 and that just boggles my mind that A) that’s about what I weighed in 5th grade and B) a college man could weigh only 125.
***Note that I’m not an idiot and didn’t get held back any grades. I wasn’t an 18 year old 5th grader

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If it really is a broken rib, he could puncture a lung wrestling with it. Probably out of his hands at that point.
Is that the scoop? Did they verify it was a broken rib? If so I withdraw my comments. If not...

Hope he heals quickly and starts training for another run next year, hopefully for our second consecutive title, though I feel we may have just let this one slip through our hands. We really need to go 3 for 3 in the finals!! :)
 
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1. Kerkvliet will most likely get bonus as well. Young favored, and Beard I'd call a tossup. Cass can get bonus against Hilger, and will probably win by decision again against Schultz, so 3+ points for him. Warner SHOULD beat Woodley, but Woodley is having a great tournament. Amine will be another tossup. Oh yeah. ADS can bonus in both matches to get 3rd.
Warner lost to woodley the last time out - maybe even the last 2 times out....
 
I'm so sick of pretending this program doesn't have a scrambling problem. It's been 10 years. Figure it out.
Spencer Lee...one of the best scramblers in the world. Kemmerer one of the best scramblers in college wrestling. AD & Young actually scramble pretty well. Jayden elite scrambling. Warner is an above average scrambler. You might be using it to generally or you might be emotional. 🤷‍♂️
 
This is what I discovered looking at Alex's 3 NCAA appearances. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so...

For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), if one looks at Alex's stats during his 3 NCAA tourney appearances, the results indicate that once Alex loses a match, either his motivation, wrestling skills, or desire to win fall off significantly. In 2018 NCAAs, he lost a tight match to IMAR, who was a total badass. After that loss Alex dusted himself off, got pinned by McFadden, and then lost by 13 to Wick. In 2019 NCAAs he lost to Lewis but then battled back to finish 7th (not 3rd, 4th or 5th). 7th? He was ranked number one in the country and seeded number one for the tourney. And then this year he lost a tough match to Griffith and then called it a day, MFFing before the match even started? I wonder if he would have MFF'd had he won the Griffith match and be wrestling for the championship tomorrow??

In thinking of the team, I hate this MFF, especially given the way Lee's been pushing through the pain every fricking match. We're in a fight for our first title in a decade and it could very well come down to a couple points that Alex didn't even make an attempt to get. At the very least, put on your fricking headgear and give it a try...

Forgive me if I'm offending anyone; it's not intentional. I just don't understand at least giving it a try against Amine. I saw the Griffith match; he appeared disappointed but functional following that match; did something happen afterwards?
Are you serious? Alex has been a major team leader for the last 4 years...If he isn't wrestling he is seriously injured no doubt...
 
Spencer Lee...one of the best scramblers in the world. Kemmerer one of the best scramblers in college wrestling. AD & Young actually scramble pretty well. Jayden elite scrambling. Warner is an above average scrambler. You might be using it to generally or you might be emotional. 🤷‍♂️
It's more of an offensive scrambling problem. Desanto, Murin, Bull, Brands, and Warner all struggle to finish on the mat in scramble positions. Even Spencer has been leaving points out there this weekend and is way too comfortable letting people crank on his knees than I like. Defensive scrambling has improved a little in the last 10 years.
 
This is what I discovered looking at Alex's 3 NCAA appearances. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so...

For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), if one looks at Alex's stats during his 3 NCAA tourney appearances, the results indicate that once Alex loses a match, either his motivation, wrestling skills, or desire to win fall off significantly. In 2018 NCAAs, he lost a tight match to IMAR, who was a total badass. After that loss Alex dusted himself off, got pinned by McFadden, and then lost by 13 to Wick. In 2019 NCAAs he lost to Lewis but then battled back to finish 7th (not 3rd, 4th or 5th). 7th? He was ranked number one in the country and seeded number one for the tourney. And then this year he lost a tough match to Griffith and then called it a day, MFFing before the match even started? I wonder if he would have MFF'd had he won the Griffith match and be wrestling for the championship tomorrow??

In thinking of the team, I hate this MFF, especially given the way Lee's been pushing through the pain every fricking match. We're in a fight for our first title in a decade and it could very well come down to a couple points that Alex didn't even make an attempt to get. At the very least, put on your fricking headgear and give it a try...

Forgive me if I'm offending anyone; it's not intentional. I just don't understand at least giving it a try against Amine. I saw the Griffith match; he appeared disappointed but functional following that match; did something happen afterwards?
This. I am not saying he isn’t hurt. He seems like a total warrior. I am only saying he seems to consistently wrestle way below his seed. And actually was wondering how many top seeds (1 or 2) for 3 years straight have finished 7, 8 or worse. 1 year an upset. 2nd year bad breaks. But again? Objectively seems he has a mental block at the NCAA’s. Wish I were wrong but results are pretty clear.
 
Spencer Lee...one of the best scramblers in the world. Kemmerer one of the best scramblers in college wrestling. AD & Young actually scramble pretty well. Jayden elite scrambling. Warner is an above average scrambler. You might be using it to generally or you might be emotional. 🤷‍♂️
Yeah. Our problem this tournament has NOT been lack of scrambling ability.
 
Are you serious? Alex has been a major team leader for the last 4 years...If he isn't wrestling he is seriously injured no doubt...
I think he is hurt. No question. But let me ask you this. If he gets that TD in the quarters does he MFF at the semi’s tonight? Think about that.
 
Quick recap of what went down on HR this week...

"Iowa has chance for 10AAs"

"Iowa could threaten the scoring record"

"Iowa could have 5-6 champs"

"It'll be over friday morning"

"It'll be over friday night"

"It'll be over Saturday morning"

"It'll be over After Spencer wins Saturday night"

How did that recruiting of Howard and dumping Teske work out?
 
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This. I am not saying he isn’t hurt. He seems like a total warrior. I am only saying he seems to consistently wrestle way below his seed. And actually was wondering how many top seeds (1 or 2) for 3 years straight have finished 7, 8 or worse. 1 year an upset. 2nd year bad breaks. But again? Objectively seems he has a mental block at the NCAA’s. Wish I were wrong but results are pretty clear.
You’re overstating his collapses. It has not been three years in a row that he’s drastically underperformed his seed. This year and 2019, not three years as you’re arguing. If he did break his ribs this year, he gets a pass for not coming back and wrestling to 3rd this year. If Griffith wins tomorrow, he will have lost to the eventual national champion both years. After losing to Lewis in 2019 he ran into a red hot Chance Marsteller who finished in 3rd place. So his losses in 2019 were to the champion and 3rd placer. Just how the bracket shaped up. In 2018, he was the #5 seed making the semis and finished in 6th place, one spot lower than he was seeded. Hopefully he heals up and makes a championship run next year.
 
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How did that recruiting of Howard and dumping Teske work out?

I don't think that question will be answered for a few years. Odd year and he started late coming off shoulder surgery. Personally, he did better than I expected. He has a higher ceiling than Teske, just not there yet.
 
This is what I discovered looking at Alex's 3 NCAA appearances. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so...

For what it's worth (absolutely nothing), if one looks at Alex's stats during his 3 NCAA tourney appearances, the results indicate that once Alex loses a match, either his motivation, wrestling skills, or desire to win fall off significantly. In 2018 NCAAs, he lost a tight match to IMAR, who was a total badass. After that loss Alex dusted himself off, got pinned by McFadden, and then lost by 13 to Wick. In 2019 NCAAs he lost to Lewis but then battled back to finish 7th (not 3rd, 4th or 5th). 7th? He was ranked number one in the country and seeded number one for the tourney. And then this year he lost a tough match to Griffith and then called it a day, MFFing before the match even started? I wonder if he would have MFF'd had he won the Griffith match and be wrestling for the championship tomorrow??

In thinking of the team, I hate this MFF, especially given the way Lee's been pushing through the pain every fricking match. We're in a fight for our first title in a decade and it could very well come down to a couple points that Alex didn't even make an attempt to get. At the very least, put on your fricking headgear and give it a try...

Forgive me if I'm offending anyone; it's not intentional. I just don't understand at least giving it a try against Amine. I saw the Griffith match; he appeared disappointed but functional following that match; did something happen afterwards?
This is a really bad gut punch emotional take. We don't even know the severity of the injury or when it occurred during the Griffith match.

Bull is a tough SOB and if it was up to him he'd wrestle until he dies. So I'm not sure where you're coming off blaming him for this. It was clearly a coaching/ trainer's decision.

And more than likely his adrenaline was sky high he didn't feel the impact until after the whistle. Mix the loss of adrenaline with inflammation and risk of further injury, why go?

He got us points and helped us get here. Now it's time for the 7 remaining guys to pick him up and take this team home.

So cut this shit out.
 
Are you serious? Alex has been a major team leader for the last 4 years...If he isn't wrestling he is seriously injured no doubt...
I knew I would get an earful and I'm ok with it. I'm just putting out what's in front of me; I don't have the secret information others have so I can only look at what I have and speculate at what I don't have. And I didn't say he hasn't been a major team leader for the last four years; that goes without saying.
 
Wrestling might be the only sport you could say over the last five years that iowa is better than iowa state tho lol. They def got iowa in fb and basketball (not this year tho). Not sure about baseball.
That's nuclear grade stupidity right there. Volleyball or rowing maybe, but no men's sports.
 
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This is a really bad gut punch emotional take. We don't even know the severity of the injury or when it occurred during the Griffith match.

Bull is a tough SOB and if it was up to him he'd wrestle until he dies. So I'm not sure where you're coming off blaming him for this. It was clearly a coaching/ trainer's decision.

And more than likely his adrenaline was sky high he didn't feel the impact until after the whistle. Mix the loss of adrenaline with inflammation and risk of further injury, why go?

He got us points and helped us get here. Now it's time for the 7 remaining guys to pick him up and take this team home.

So cut this shit out.

I knew I would get shit...and probably deserved it. I was just pissed that he didn't give it a go, especially after watching Lee walk out there like a broken man every single match. With the team race not even close to being settled I thought he would give it a go. My apologies for being a dick. And I wasn't even drinking.
 
I knew I would get shit...and probably deserved it. I was just pissed that he didn't give it a go, especially after watching Lee walk out there like a broken man every single match. With the team race not even close to being settled I thought he would give it a go. My apologies for being a dick. And I wasn't even drinking.
I said similar things. AM is an absolute stud. Love him. I simply said he has underperformed at nationals and I got crap. I also asked if he had won in OT would he have MFF. If that was not a fair statement on his results or a fair question I apologize. I know he was hurt. So maybe questioning MFF was wrong. But stand by not performing to his best at the tourney. Simply because we all love him doesn’t make him above question. And I guarantee he would agree his tourney results are not good based on his seed amd talent.
 
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I said similar things. AM is an absolute stud. Love him. I simply said he has underperformed at nationals and I got crap. I also asked if he had won in OT would he have MFF. If that was not a fair statement on his results or a fair question I apologize. I know he was hurt. So maybe questioning MFF was wrong. But stand by not performing to his best at the tourney. Simply because we all love him doesn’t make him above question. And I guarantee he would agree his tourney results are not good based on his seed amd talent.

Yep, he is a stud indeed. His pedigree would not have allowed him to MFF had he won that match, but at the same time, if there's not a chance to win it all, why risk further injury. At least that's what I'm thinking most people felt. Hopefully next year he'll get the NCAA tourney result he's - and we've - been looking for. :)
 
You could make an argument IMO that he was the Outstanding Wrestler for Iowa while finishing 3rd. He wrestled as hard as he could. Great Tournament!

He probably wrestled harder than anyone else at the Tournament.

When brackets were announced, guessing that most other 133 looked to see if they got lucky an got on the opposite side of Austin.
 
We have good news. With the two from penn st. getting beat on the backside, that puts their limit on 124.5

More realistically, they only have their four finalists. Let's pretend all four win it tomorrow night, including beating JE at 141 and MK at 174. That would give them 110.5.....

It still wouldn't be enough to beat Iowa, considering Iowa has three guys on the backside tomorrow morning, including Cass and ADS who are in good positions to do some damage on the backside. Iowa sitting at 109 going into tomorrow.

I feel better.

THE HERMENATOR
We won this tournament when the season started and it was never in doubt as long as our guys could show up and toe the line in St. Louis. They did and the rest is history.
 
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