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The top QB recruit in the nation Albert Brown from Mount Vernon, New York comitted to Iowa but changed his mind last minute to pursue a musical career. For those who went to Iowa in the late eighties that artist was known as Al B Sure

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The top QB recruit in the nation Albert Brown from Mount Vernon, New York comitted to Iowa but changed his mind last minute to pursue a musical career. For those who went to Iowa in the late eighties that artist was known as Al B Sure

There is your stupid fact for the day
For one season, the official Iowa mascot was a bear.
 
The name Hawkeyes comes from the character Hawkeye, an Indian in the novel "the Last of the Mohicans." ( Pierce from the show MASH also got his nickname from the novel.) So, technically, we have an Indian for a mascot. And a fictional character, like the Terminator or Tyler Durden.
 
Kidnapped Patty Hurst lost a chance at rescue due to Iowa's 1974 upset win over UCLA.
 
Scherff was the first top 10 overall NFL draft pick from the Big Ten since Vernon Gholston in 2008.
 
The name Hawkeyes comes from the character Hawkeye, an Indian in the novel "the Last of the Mohicans." ( Pierce from the show MASH also got his nickname from the novel.) So, technically, we have an Indian for a mascot. And a fictional character, like the Terminator or Tyler Durden.

Natty Bumppo was white.
 
Good catch. Hawkeye was actually the white guy that was raised by the Indians. The guy who was "Last of the Mohicans" was Hawkeye's "stepdad" I think.
I was always going to dress up like a Daniel Boone like character and go to Iowa games, and tell people I was Hawkeye. Never did though. If our students had been a little more literary inclined when our mascot was chosen, we would all be cheering for an early American hero (fictional hero, but hero nonetheless). That would have been a better mascot than a bird's eye.
 
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My bad, has been about 25 years since I watched the movie version. Also, I guess there are conflicting reports on how Iowa got it's nickname.

From Hawkeyesports.com: The University of Iowa borrowed its athletic nickname from the state of Iowa many years ago. The name Hawkeye was originally applied to a hero in a fictional novel, The Last of the Mohicans, written by James Fenimore Cooper. Author Cooper had the Delaware Indians bestow the name on a white scout who lived and hunted with them.

From Wikipedia: In 1833, James Edwards, a newspaperman from Burlington, Iowa selected the nickname to honor the memory of Black Hawk. James Edwards lived in the town of Burlington. Edwards called his newspapers "Hawk Eye" and in 1838 the Officials of the territory of Iowa accepted the nickname. The University of Iowa adopted the nickname for its athletic teams, but uses a logo of a bird instead.[citation needed]

So, the nickname is either based on a fictional character OR an Indian (or a newspaper?) depending on which account is accurate. Or it could be based on the state's nickname which was originally used for a Burlington newspaper that was selected from Cooper's novel to honor a similarly named area Native American. *cough*
 
Good catch. Hawkeye was actually the white guy that was raised by the Indians. The guy who was "Last of the Mohicans" was Hawkeye's "stepdad" I think.
Let's finally get it right, guys.
Hawkeye was an American settler, who was a great friend of Chingachgook, the last chief of the Mohicans. The title refers to the chief's son, Uncas, who is literally the last of the tribe, who saves the life of Bumppo (Hawkeye) in their successful rescue of the English commander Munro's daughters from the novel's villain, Mugua, and his Huron warriors.

James Fenimore Cooper was an active Jeffersonian-Jacksonian Democrat (small d as well), and he spent a number of years in Washington, at one point working in Jackson's Administration. He later fell out of love with Jackson, who he thought was undermining the egalitarian and liberal values of Jefferson, Madison, Monroe's heritage. He was especially incensed by Jackson's harsh tactics and ruthless wars against Native Americans---who Cooper spent his life championing. Cooper took his case against Jackson & his followers to the public in a book laying out his charges called The American Democrat, still recognized as Cooper's non-fiction classic.

How Iowa becomes the Hawkeye State is the result of a close friendship & mutual admiration of Cooper and former Ohio Governor/ Senator Lucas, an ardent Jacksonian who Jackson appointed as the first territorial governor of Iowa (in preparation for Wisconsin statehood, its territory west of the Mississippi is made Iowa Territory--including much of Minnesota at the time). Cooper saw the new immigrants settling in Iowa as industrious small farmers & workmen from Ireland, Germany, the Netherlands, Scandanavia: the men & women who were seeking the equality and sense of freedom of the Democratic heritage. Men in the image of Hawkeye who would perfect American democracy with the same qualities of courage, resourcefulness, independent minds, willingness to work hard in their fields but also quick to take up arms in the defense of the new society they were creating on the American frontier. The settlers responded fervently to their new identity as "Hawkeyes" and Iowa was the Hawkeye State even before it became a state a decade later.
 
Kidnapped Patty Hurst lost a chance at rescue due to Iowa's 1974 upset win over UCLA.

I would like to hear more about this one. Isn't she related to that dolt that dd the documentary on HBO that was charged with murder?
 
The Wikopedia account is an apt reminder of the inherent danger of getting fiction instead of fact from history not by historians but by contributors without qualifications or training who submit legend as if was history.

Remember that in the early years of Iowa Territory the capitol was Burlington, hence it was the center of politics. The Burlington News-Gazette was a rapid Whig journal, notable for its extreme natred of Jackson, Martinn Van Buren & the Democrats. They were in panic over the emerging vast popularity of Hawkeye as symbol of the Democrats and the Lucas administration's use of the symbol. The editors concocted the Blackhawk story as a not very well conceived effort to capitalize on Iowan's awareness of how the Jackson administration had dragged the Indian warrior in chains for public display in Washington, Philadelphia, New York, etc before exciling him to a small reservation-type site near what is now Centerville,Iowa.

But the Blackhawk version is almost comic in its obvious flaws: Blackhawk and Hawkeye are not exactly the same name. Blackhawk was not a chief. His band lived in Nothwest Illinois, and when it became a state in 1818 the band's leaders signed a treaty in which the agreed to move into Wisconsin Territory, including the part that became Iowa. The existing Indian tribes in both iowa & Wisonsin were not welcoming and years later a young warrior, Blackhawk leads a group including women & chidren back across the Mississippi. At which time, the Illinois militia (including Lt Abe Lincoln) arer mobilized, and they spend the next several months chasing Blackhawk & his group all over Southern Wisconsin until exhausted & starving they surrender (Lincoln long before this gets tired of the chasing about and goes home).

It wasn't until AFTER the US govt sends Blackhawk as a prisoner to Southern Iowa that Blackhawk ever spent and real time or fought settlers or militia ever in Iowa. Blackhawk's last years were spents in frequent moves abound Iowa: he is known to have spent time in Burlington, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City (ironically whether he spent time in Blackhawk County is not a matter of record, and similarly his burial site is not clearly established--somewhere in Eastern Iowa).

In short, the News-Gazette's hasty fable was a poor piece work from the outset---but like so much of political mythology it keeps getting resurrected. In the 19th Century, Republicans found it useful to champion Blackhawk & debunk Hawkeye; occasionally in the 20th Crentury some envious soul at Moo U has dug it up in order to suggest that the State Universityy of Iowa (SUI for 80% of its existence) was pulling a con job by claiming that the Hawkeye State has something to do with Hawkeye.
 
Iowa's first first team All-American in any sport, Fred Becker, played for only one season before enlisting in the Army during World War I. He was killed in action in 1918, earning the Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, and the Croix de Guerre.
 
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The name Hawkeyes comes from the character Hawkeye, an Indian in the novel "the Last of the Mohicans." ( Pierce from the show MASH also got his nickname from the novel.) So, technically, we have an Indian for a mascot. And a fictional character, like the Terminator or Tyler Durden.

The book came out in 1827, and this is what I was always lead to believe, but this is apparently the real source (from Wikipedia). Could still be the book but it's not mentioned

The Hawkeye State is a nickname for the state of Iowa. According to the state's tourism web site, "Two Iowa promoters from Burlington are believed to have popularized the name."[1] The nickname was given approval by territorial officials in 1838, eight years before Iowa became a state.

The men responsible for the promotion of this nickname are thought to be Judge David Rorer of Burlington and newspaper publisher James G. Edwards. The city of Burlington had been established in 1833 after the previous year's Black Hawk War. Edwards changed the name of his Burlington newspaper, The Iowa Patriot, to The Hawk-Eye and Iowa Patriot in tribute to friend Chief Black Hawk, a Sauk leader. Edwards proposed the nickname "Hawk-eyes" in 1838 to "...rescue from oblivian [sic] a momento [sic], at least of the name of the old chief",[citation needed] Black Hawk. The University of Iowa's athletic teams are nicknamed the Hawkeyes and feature a mascot named Herky the Hawk.
 
Kidnapped Patty Hurst lost a chance at rescue due to Iowa's 1974 upset win over UCLA.

Iowa and UCLA played a basketball game in January 1974. Patty Hearst was kidnapped in February 1974.
Iowa beat UCLA in football in September 1974, but Patty was already "Tanya" by then and robbing banks. At that point she wasn't looking to be rescued.
 
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I heard that Knute Rockne was about to board a train for Iowa City to become the Head Hawkeye when Notre Dame boosters stopped him and wouldn't let him leave.
 
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The Wikopedia account is an apt reminder of the inherent danger of getting fiction instead of fact from history not by historians but by contributors without qualifications or training who submit legend as if was history.

Remember that in the early years of Iowa Territory the capitol was Burlington, hence it was the center of politics. The Burlington News-Gazette was a rapid Whig journal, notable for its extreme natred of Jackson, Martinn Van Buren & the Democrats. They were in panic over the emerging vast popularity of Hawkeye as symbol of the Democrats and the Lucas administration's use of the symbol. The editors concocted the Blackhawk story as a not very well conceived effort to capitalize on Iowan's awareness of how the Jackson administration had dragged the Indian warrior in chains for public display in Washington, Philadelphia, New York, etc before exciling him to a small reservation-type site near what is now Centerville,Iowa.

But the Blackhawk version is almost comic in its obvious flaws: Blackhawk and Hawkeye are not exactly the same name. Blackhawk was not a chief. His band lived in Nothwest Illinois, and when it became a state in 1818 the band's leaders signed a treaty in which the agreed to move into Wisconsin Territory, including the part that became Iowa. The existing Indian tribes in both iowa & Wisonsin were not welcoming and years later a young warrior, Blackhawk leads a group including women & chidren back across the Mississippi. At which time, the Illinois militia (including Lt Abe Lincoln) arer mobilized, and they spend the next several months chasing Blackhawk & his group all over Southern Wisconsin until exhausted & starving they surrender (Lincoln long before this gets tired of the chasing about and goes home).

It wasn't until AFTER the US govt sends Blackhawk as a prisoner to Southern Iowa that Blackhawk ever spent and real time or fought settlers or militia ever in Iowa. Blackhawk's last years were spents in frequent moves abound Iowa: he is known to have spent time in Burlington, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City (ironically whether he spent time in Blackhawk County is not a matter of record, and similarly his burial site is not clearly established--somewhere in Eastern Iowa).

In short, the News-Gazette's hasty fable was a poor piece work from the outset---but like so much of political mythology it keeps getting resurrected. In the 19th Century, Republicans found it useful to champion Blackhawk & debunk Hawkeye; occasionally in the 20th Crentury some envious soul at Moo U has dug it up in order to suggest that the State Universityy of Iowa (SUI for 80% of its existence) was pulling a con job by claiming that the Hawkeye State has something to do with Hawkeye.
You have an interesting view of history. It may be right. I have no idea. It is not consistent with biographies of the Burlington men who first used the name, but biographies can be mistaken.
The "last of the Mohicans does not refer to Uncas. It refers to Chingachkook (sorry for the spelling). Uncas would have been the last, but he assumed room temperature while his father was still alive, hence Dad was the last of the tribe.
Nathaniel Bumppo was, indeed, a white guy. Iowa sports fans who claim him as their role model and hero should realize they are lauding an illiterate, unwashed man who participated in mass slaughter of native Americans based on their tribal affiliation. No big deal.
However, regardless of where the term originated in relation to Iowa, it is important to note that Iowa has no official nickname. "Hawkeye State" is commonly used -- and in fact is listed as the nickname by some quasi-official sources -- but the only time the Legislature had a proposal to make the name official, the proposal was rejected. This happened around 40 years ago. So not only did the state never adopt the nickname, it formally rejected it. And the only nickname to grace the state's license plates was "Tall Corn State."
We have an official flower, bird, tree, song, motto and rock (although technical, the official Iowa rock is not a rock), but we have no official nickname.
Do we need one? Opinions vary. I personally think we should have an official sandwich (the breaded pork tenderloin) and an official fish (the carp).
 
Iowa and UCLA played a basketball game in January 1974. Patty Hearst was kidnapped in February 1974.
Iowa beat UCLA in football in September 1974, but Patty was already "Tanya" by then and robbing banks. At that point she wasn't looking to be rescued.
She was a member of the SLA by then and wanted for murder. She was on the lam. She was with a guy named Jack Scott, driving from Pennsylvania to California when they were stopped by a highway patrolman for speeding. Scott jollied the guy out of a ticket by saying he'd been excited listening to Iowa beat UCLA.
 
She was a member of the SLA by then and wanted for murder. She was on the lam. She was with a guy named Jack Scott, driving from Pennsylvania to California when they were stopped by a highway patrolman for speeding. Scott jollied the guy out of a ticket by saying he'd been excited listening to Iowa beat UCLA.
Good work LC.

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She was a member of the SLA by then and wanted for murder. She was on the lam. She was with a guy named Jack Scott, driving from Pennsylvania to California when they were stopped by a highway patrolman for speeding. Scott jollied the guy out of a ticket by saying he'd been excited listening to Iowa beat UCLA.

The State Trooper from Iowa then told Jack Scott to be careful while driving through Nebraska because the Huskers had just been upset by lowly Wisconsin and their highway patrol would not be in a good mood.

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Tigger - I appreciated all of the historical insight. You should really update or at least add on to the Wikipedia article if you have time.
 
In 1985, the Charter Flight out of Cedar Rapids Airport
to LAX to the Rose Bowl was at that time the largest
charter flight ever to fly out of Iowa. There were 515
people aboard.
 
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The top QB recruit in the nation Albert Brown from Mount Vernon, New York comitted to Iowa but changed his mind last minute to pursue a musical career. For those who went to Iowa in the late eighties that artist was known as Al B Sure

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I knew about this, but I always thought that Al B was a cornerback ...

Oh well. Bonus points for his only hit song: Nite and Day - a top ten hit in 1988, I believe.
 
Ron Hawley ran into and knocked down the goal post at Michigan State during a game in 1982, I believe. The goal post had to be held in place while MSU attempted a field goal.
 
Iowa once played a game during the WW1 influenza epidemic with NO FANS in the stands for health reasons. Armed guards were posted to keep people from congregating to watch it.

Evy once urged his players to engage in a brawl during a game against Illinois shortly after he became coach, to instill a fighting spirit in them. So they DID. Huge fight on the field as a result.

Iowa was essentially kicked out of the Western Conference/Big Ten in the late 20's for rather egregious rules infractions, but was eventually reinstated.

In the late 60's, embattled coach Ray Nagle was, for a time, rumored to be dead, and people believed it! He had to provide 'proof of life' to prove them wrong. He was eventually fired, anyway., despite being alive.

A track guy named, Charlie Jones (IIRC) caught a long TD pass in a game in the early 80's (I recall it was against Indiana, or maybe it was Purdue). Thing is--it was his ONLY collegiate reception in his only college game.

TE Scott Chandler never did catch a TD pass thrown by his QB brother, Nathan. But boy did they try, over and over and over again! It got comical after a while, watching this repeatedly not happen.

When Iowa initially lined up for the most famous FG in Hawkeye history, against #2 Michigan in 1985, the tee was placed only 6 yards behind the LOS (they could use a tee back then for FG). They noticed the error only when UM called a TO to ice the kicker, Rob Houghtlin. The tee was moved back another yard to the correct distance, Houghtlin made the kick and...history.
 
Gale Sayers, a native of Omaha, visited Iowa City with a desire to play for the Hawkeyes. Jerry Burns, and/or staff as I recall, basically showed indifference, and Sayers ended up at Kansas, and the rest is history.

Has anybody else heard this story, as I recall it.
 
When Iowa initially lined up for the most famous FG in Hawkeye history, against #2 Michigan in 1985, the tee was placed only 6 yards behind the LOS (they could use a tee back then for FG). They noticed the error only when UM called a TO to ice the kicker, Rob Houghtlin. The tee was moved back another yard to the correct distance, Houghtlin made the kick and...history.


Nice! I forgot about this. This holder on the play? Mark Vlassic.

Emlen Tunnel, Paul Krause, and Andre Tippett are the only three Iowa players to make the Pro Football Hall of Fame ... neither of these three players happen to be in the college football hall of fame.
 
Gale Sayers, a native of Omaha, visited Iowa City with a desire to play for the Hawkeyes. Jerry Burns, and/or staff as I recall, basically showed indifference, and Sayers ended up at Kansas, and the rest is history.

Has anybody else heard this story, as I recall it.
Another notable Hawkeye fact, though not quite correct. Evy was still the coach recruiting Sayers from Boys Town. And Gale Sayers had his heart set on becoming the next great Iowa RB, but Evy had two other recruiting he liked better. But he was so impressed with Sayers as a model youngster that he talked to the coach at Kansas, sold hin on Sayers, and as they say, the rest of the story is HOF college & pro. Sayers was so smitten with the Iowa campus that he returned here for summers while at KU, and later opened an auto dealership in Iowa City...which he kept for the next thirty years.

IIRC correctly, Jerry Burns was a strong advocate for giving Sayers the Hawkeye jersey he wanted so much.
 
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