It isnt a voucher.
No I am not on a school board. Though I am involved in local governance.
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No I am not on a school board. Though I am involved in local governance.
Lol. So you are just inventing things
Tell me genius are the teachers in private schools still teachers or do they not meet your standard? How about school administration in private schools? Are they certified as well?
This idea that public schools are above anything and anyone outside themselves needs to end.
Hey....don't show porn to children in the library.....OMG they are banning To Kill A Mockingbird!!!!
Schools have become so warped in their beliefs and power structure that they actually believe the governor doesn't have the right to set policy or have oversight. Guess what....her policy ideas don't need to follow your directives. She is the governor and has every right to review schools and set policy direction
They won't be happy because Iowa is a bounty state for special needs students. In other words they get paid more if they have more special needs students identified. Guess what happens when you incetivice labeling students with special needs?
I think you are somewhat describing an authoritarian government. You do understand that, right?
What is amazing is you believe this. What leverage do parents have without vouchers? What choice do poor kids have without vouchers? What about the parents of special needs children? The choice they have had is schools acting like tyrants.
You people Calle police on parents voicing concerns at school board meetings. You set policy to hide information from parents about their children.
Let me clue you in....rich people always have had and always will have school choice. You speaking against vouchers as some savior of the poor and downtrodden as school routinely shit all over these kinds of kids is just another example of gaslighting. Maybe you are so brainwashed you don't see it
I think taxpayers should be able to send their kids where they wish. This isnt hard. You think of tax dollars as the states money to spend as it wishes. I think of it as my money I give to the state and vote for the candidates that prioritize the things I think they should with my tax dollars. Difference in philosophy.
I have already stated that I think that the paarochial schools should test and report.
I dont think they should follow all the rules the public schools do. They are already awash in DIE BS I want no part of. To be clear I believe in equality of opportunity but not equity.
Lol....a governor utilizing the powers bestowed upon her role of oversight and policy direction is authoritarian?
The school districts have become the authoritarian and are fighting to maintain that position
You stated the the governor has the right to let private schools run themselves as they see fit with public money. You believe that she has the right to do as this even if it goes against public will. Is this correct? You are a weird one.
Link to the certification requirements for private school teachers?
I met D. Dejear at a small town meet & greet in NW Iowa during her campaign.
I was impressed with her grasp of the issues , communication skills and down to earth demeanor.
She crushed kim in their debate.
It is a shame that she will probably disappear from public life.
I appreciate that she took on the 3 million corporate donor war chest of Kim with an 8k war chest.
I was impressed with her grasp of the issues , communication skills and down to earth demeanor.
She crushed kim in their debate.
It is a shame that she will probably disappear from public life.
I appreciate that she took on the 3 million corporate donor war chest of Kim with an 8k war chest.
WTF are you talking about? Parents don't have any additional leverage with vouchers - the private school's do because they choose who gets to attend. Special needs kids don't go to private school's because they don't care enough to have the resources to provide education for them. The public schools provide this with Kim and her cronies undermining the efforts.
And again, WTF are you talking about? Of course rich people have always had more choice if they choose to pay for it. Nothing wrong with that at all. It's when you take public money to subsidize those who have already shown that they can and will pay for private education that is wrong. And spending that public money with no accountability for the funds and no oversight.
You are a ****ing idiot.
Taxpayers have never been able to send kids where they wish - they have a school district where their children are assigned to attend. If they want to change districts they have to apply and have it approved. If they want to go to private school they have to apply and be accepted and pay the tuition.
Let's say you're right and Dowling is the best option for education in the DM area. What happens when 10,000 students decide they want to go to Dowling? Do they automatically get in because it's their choice? No - the school picks those that they want and tells all the rest to pound sand. That's not school choice, that school's choice. There is no equality in that opportunity.
You brush off the lack of oversight, reporting and testing because you know acknowledging that as another huge hole in the policy demonstrates a further lack of rationale on your part.
We get it. You benefit personally from this policy so you like it. And therein lies one of the biggest issues with right wingers, selfishness. Only looking out for your own interests. No wonder Trump is the leader of your party.
Where did I sat that exactly? Oh ..... I didn't.
Do you always lie or is it situational?
10,000 students want put of their current school in this scenario and you think West Des Moines not letting them in is the problem. You just illustrated the issue wonderfully and don't get it at all.
10k kids and their parents want out. Why would they want out? They must all be Maga idiots right?
Let's work more on your scenario. 7,600 per kid with 10k kids is 76 million dollars. That is 76 million dollars per year. I wonder if there was that kind if demand for a product with a guaranteed payment if the market could rise to the occasion. It is so interesting when people like you lay out these scenarios that you think will make a point and yet underlines the opposite of what you are selling.
That's the worst part of the whole voucher scam. Private schools are now receiving public money with NONE of the accountability measures that public districts have to put up with.
No required audit by an independent firm, no submission of a Certified Annual Report, no accountability whatsoever. And yet people are okay with this because ya know libs are bad and stuff. Fvcking losers.
Thank God. We need fewer people like you involved in the governance of public education.
it's funny that they feel the same amount of money is just going somewhere else. But they can't bring themselves to admit that the lack of accountability and oversight should be the same.
You can't tell me what to do with this money but I'll tell you what to do with it.
I'm the former school board member. These guys have no idea what they are talking about. But when everything in public education is ruined they'll be the first to point finger.
You ****ing moron - I gave an hypothetical to demonstrate a point. Dowling can't take on 10K students. There's not 10K students who want out. JFC.
Your idiocy is astounding.
Edit to say 10,000 new students would be about 2.5% of the public school population. That's more than all the private schools in Iowa can take on. They might het to 4000 new students at some point yet Kim has devoted $300M to fund this effort. That comes out to about 75K per new student. 10X what the state pays per public school student.
If this sham continues you can be sure there will be private entities taking advantage of it. Most prominent will be home schooling.
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lol, those things are already happening. You think parents who have been voluntarily paying tuition for decades and had no internal accountability measures? Are you an idiot?
You‘d just like to see things brought down to the level of your public school. No thanks.
That’s not what most parents want.
Private schools are required to perform an audit at cost to the district and also have to timely file a Certified Annual Report with the state? Please provide a link for that, I'll wait.
Remember when you thought public schools were receiving per pupil funding for resident students attending a private school? That was hilarious and embarrassing, I'm sure, since you never returned to that thread. 😂
What are those accountability measures? And when you say "internal" don't you really mean "private"?
No shit. Why should the public trust internal accountability measures by private schools? That's the whole point of external audits.
He just continues to post stuff that isn't factual and then says "well too bad it passed so deal with it" as if that's the point of the conversation.
So. You admit there is no accountability. Thank you.
What is your position on homeschooling. Are you for children with parents accused or convicted of child abuse being able to teach their child? I mean parents know best.
Accountability, if you can’t connect the dots.
I don’t benefit from it. See my post above. Go ahead and make assumptions though. It’s your MO.
Oh and I have no intention of voting for Trump nor supporting him tomorrow. So I wouldn’t call him the head of my party. Just the guy with the lead on the Presidential nomination for now.
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Wrong. I’ll be the first to point out that public education is exactly the same as far as outcomes despite this change you all hate.
LOL - this change just happened. It's a fallacy that you know what the outcomes are. And it will be since private schools do not report.
You're a shill.
We don’t need to know what the parochial schools are doing to know if the public schools are doing worse. As suggested will be the case by all you democrat ISEA ball suckers. It yes. Let’s revisit this in a few years and see if there has actually been a drop off in public school performance and ‘gutting’ public education as you suggest.
I am on record as saying testing and reporting should be part of the deal when you get public funds. Get over it. I’m not on Reynolds’s educational advisory committee.
What did you expect to happen when you gut public school funding you ****ing moron? The question is whether the few students who go to private school because of this sham law do better - and we won't know because Kim and her cronies like you have blocked any evaluation or reporting.
Your on record as supporting this law despite there being no reporting and testing. You're a parochial school advocate who turns a blind eye to the hypocrisy and unfairness of this law. You're a shill.
Then stay the F out of it instead of lying about what’s happening.
Unfairness? No it’s exactly fair. That’s the point.
It doesn’t matter if parochial schools do better. The opposition to this law claims public schools will do worse bc of it. If we measure that, and all we will need is the public school measures. and they don’t then your assertion fails.
Or is your actual assertion that you don’t want parochial schools to do better? Because that would be your position it appears.
And if we get equal outcomes in public schools post new law, with less money as you claim, but I don’t concede, then who cares?
You’re the shill. You want the status quo and you want maximum dollars flowing from state coffers to the failing schools. I simply want another way. I want all students to benefit from the stellar parochial schools my kids did. They all have gotten excellent grades in college no doubt from the college level courses taught. My friends kids that went to public schools all have kids that smoke too much weed and now work at Casey’s. During Covid the public schools didn’t give to shits about attendance. Not true of parochial. If this law fails then I’ll support reversing the law. Will you support the law if there is no actual failure? I doubt that very much.
Have you seen an ounce of actual change at your school since this law was adopted? I seriously doubt it.
Sounds like you have some loser friends, no offense. The kid's failures probably have more to do with their home life than the school they attended.
And no shit to your last point, it's almost like private schools can pick and choose the kids they accept and boot them for almost any reason. Wanna take any guesses at to goes that works for public schools?
What is fair about a policy that claims to be "school choice" for parents and their children that is actually "school's choice" on who they want to admit? What's fair about taking public money from a system that requires several levels of accountability, testing and reporting to give it to another system that requires none of that?
The argument against this is that it is WRONG! That it can do nothing but hurt public schools. Are you trying to claim this will make public schools better? If so, that's more absurd yet. And my only assertion about parochial schools is they should not be receiving public funding. I don't give a shit whether they improve or decline - that's on those who donate to them.
I have no idea what you're trying to say with "And if we get equal outcomes in public schools post new law, with less money as you claim, but I don’t concede, then who cares?".
LOL - you want all the students to have a stellar education yet you advocate for a small, small percentage of students to change to private school at massive costs to the taxpayer. The beneficiaries of this policy are not new students, it's the religious organizations who will raise their tuition and the families already sending their students to private school who will now get a discount.
Public education has problems serving low income areas of our state. There are great successes in the higher income areas. This is not a coincidence. Private schools serve higher income families for the most part yet they are no better than the higher income public schools. They are a fine option for those who choose to send their children there (and are accepted) but geeting additional funding at the expense of public schools is wrong.
This policy is already an abject failure. How many new students are attending private school now? At what cost? Do that math and you'll see one of the reasons why.
I disagree. Show me the data that shows it’s been a failure. I don’t mean, ‘oh look public schools are getting less money’. I mean actual performance declines attributable to the law.
It's a failure even before it begins for the reasons stated. The "proof" you want won't be evident for years. This is just your way of turning a blind eye to it. Hell, you've even stated private schools should have to report on how they're spending the money and their progress - that alone makes it a failure.
We get it - you're a parochial school shill because you support the religious organizations that are benefitting.
