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38 House Repubs shot down the Trump-Musk bill today giving the big middle finger to Team Orange Musk

Wow, Trump is tweeting so many threats to House Repubs before today's votes, Repubs like Chip Roy, but the threats of being primaried did not scare these 38 Repubs. They helped vote it down.

The bill today was an even more Team Orange Musk bill and was laden with even more bloat and debt for no reason.

Again I am just laughing at these two clowns. Yesterday Musk tweeted to not pass any bills before Jan 21st of 2025. Well that would have wrecked the lives of many and caused an economic downturn.

And their new bill today cut out previous funding for research into children's cancer while having a lot of excess pork to put in a bunch of barrels to make the rich richer.

Buckle up baby

Russian general blown up in Moscow,...

usually they just fall out of windows or die in plane crashes

Do you refuse to do business with any company because of a bad experience with them?

IHG (the company that manages hotels like Holiday Inn and Crowne Plaza) lost my business forever. I was a member of their loyalty program and had a bad experience and stopped choosing them. The bad experience was Wi-Fi. I showed up at one of their properties and there was a sign at the desk saying "Our apologies, but our Wi-Fi isn't working right now. Sorry for the inconvenience."

Okay, shit breaks down and stuff happens.

Visited this property again about four weeks later. Same sign is still on the desk. Okay, so the Wi-Fi NEVER works there. The ability to get on the internet via the hotel Wi-Fi was pretty freaking important back then. I don't think I had a phone that created a hotspot.

So, I stopped staying at IHG hotels and started chasing loyalty status with Hilton brands.

Fast forward a few years... we had some work thing going on and we all were REQUIRED to stay at the same Holiday Inn property. Upon check-in, the clerk asked if I wanted to join the loyalty program. I thought I was already a member, but I didn't have any activity for a couple of years so maybe my account expired, and I drove all day to get there and I was tired and just wanted my freaking key card, so I just said, "Sure, whatever."

Fast forward a few weeks and I got an email from IHG stating that I violated the terms and conditions by creating a duplicate account, I was banned from the program, I forfeited all my points, and I am a terrible human being.

Dafuq?!!?

For this reason, IHG is dead to me. I would rather sleep in my car instead of in one of their properties.

Is any company on your "banned for life" list?

EDIT: Triangulation proves the moon landing skeptic; seeing is believing proves a round Earth

Many of you know the US and Russia both had many communications stations around the world during the Moon race. The russians could easily aim two of their antennae at our signals from the Apollo 11 Lunar landing on the moon to figure out the yes those signals intersect with our antennae at an angle that puts the source about 240,000 miles away right in line with the Moon. The British and other countries with antennae around the world could do this also.

As someone on this thread mentioned, if the triangulation didnt measure correctly we know the Soviets would have been screaming to high heaven with their evidence. But it did.

If a flat-Earther looks that the very famous picture taken by Voyager 1, the picture from about 7 million miles from Earth that is the first ever picture to capture both the Earth and the Moon in the same frame, and they do not see the terminator line where sunlight and darkness meet on their surfaces as curved showing their spherical shape then you can tell them they are stupid and insane.

Also, for proof, you may know that the Greek philosopher Eratosthenes used different lengths of shadows cast at different places on Earth about 2200 years ago to really accurately measure the circumference of the Earth. He showed that the Earth is not flat because the shadows in Greece, the Nile Delta, and much farther south on the Nile had different angles. A flat Earth would have shadows at the same angle.



What logic would you use, what arguments? I have mine but I will save them for awhile before I put them here as I want to hear your ideas first.

And what are some other crazy notions that people ascribe to and believe?

Colonel Chuck Organizing a Greenland Invasion Expeditionary Force!

According to local news sources and with a sound bite, the ol’ senior Senator fully endorses the Commander-in-Chief Elect's idea to invade Greenland first US Security….
(This is pretty much the same logic that Putin used to invade Ukraine. But, I know… this is different.)
Well, at least Grassley won’t have to go far to find his supply officer.
The ol’ Chuckster will cut quite a figure in his “Patton-style” General’s outfit!

Democrats shouldn’t try to find ‘common ground’ with Trump

A depressingly high number of elected Democrats are declaring their intent to find “common ground” with President-elect Donald Trump and his crackpot Cabinet picks. Their naive, tone-deaf declarations epitomize an infatuation with bipartisanship for bipartisanship’s sake. Sometimes, it’s better not to bend the knee before the bidding even gets underway.


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Democrats strain credulity if they imagine they can find common ground with someone who vows, among other mind-boggling schemes, to imprison opponents, deploy the military against immigrants, snatch the power of the purse from Congress and pay for tax cuts for billionaires with cuts to entitlements and other programs that serve ordinary Americans. (What would common ground even look like? Deport just 5.5 million people, not 11 million? Cut Social Security only a little bit?)
The fruitless search for nonexistent common ground instantaneously normalizes Trump. Democrats should not propound the dubious assertion that Trump can operate rationally and in good faith. Mouthing this platitude makes Democrats look weak, foolish and unprepared to stand up to an authoritarian agenda.


Moreover, what is the point of declaring their “common ground” aspirations now? Similar aspirational statements were made before MAGA Republicans reneged on the budget deal (later giving up the effort to suspend the debt ceiling when Democrats stood their ground). That should be a wake-up call: There is no bargaining with people who break deals. Democrats must not be in the position of chasing after Republicans. They will find themselves negotiating against themselves to reach the mythical “common ground.”
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Moreover, why is isn’t the onus on Trump — as it consistently was on President Joe Biden — to “unify” the country? Trump has shown no inclination to moderate. (Certainly not by choosing Kash Patel for the FBI or Putin mouthpiece Tulsi Gabbard for director of national intelligence.)

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There might be times when Trump accidentally stumbles into positions Democrats previously held. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And when Trump by happenstance betrays his base or reverses a ridiculous position, Democrats should know when to say yes. (Consider the times Biden ate then-House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s lunch in negotiations.) But looking for common ground assumes Trump has an end goal that falls within the realm of normal, acceptable democratic policies. Let him prove his bona fides first.

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And there will be times, as I’ve described, when Democrats are forced to swallow a legislative poison pill: voting to pass a vital bill even if Republicans slip cruel and unacceptable measures into it. Making practical, hard concessions to preserve long-term political viability is not finding common ground. To the contrary, it’s an opportunity to point out how Republicans resort to legislative blackmail to enact unpopular policies.
Jamelle Bouie of the New York Times recently admonished Democrats to be not simply the minority party but the opposition party:
An opposition would use every opportunity it had to demonstrate its resolute stance against the incoming administration. It would do everything in its power to try to seize the public’s attention and make hay of the president-elect’s efforts to put lawlessness at the center of American government. An opposition would highlight the extent to which Donald Trump has no intention of fulfilling his pledge of lower prices and greater economic prosperity for ordinary people and is openly scheming with the billionaire oligarchs who paid for and ran his campaign to gut the social safety net and bring something like Hooverism back from the ash heap of history.
And frankly, if Democrats think democracy is in peril, their leaders should act like it. (“Either democracy was on the ballot in November or it wasn’t,” wrote Bouie. “And if it was, it makes no political, ethical or strategic sense to act as if we live in normal times.”)


Then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) understood the role of an opposition party when he vowed to make Barack Obama a one-term president. (McConnell managed to pick up six Senate seats in 2010, as well as a net six governorships and 63 House seats to win back the majority.)
What do I expect Democrats to say? How about this: The nominees and proposals advanced by the president-elect should frighten every American. They will hurt ordinary, hard-working Americans. It’s our job to protect the rights and interests of our constituents. I will do whatever I can to block crackpot nominees and schemes. (If they cannot manage to say something along those lines, then better to say nothing. Democrats should learn when silence is preferable to prostrating themselves before Trump.)
If Democrats eschew “common ground” gibberish, they might get credit when they manage to quash Trump’s nuttiest initiatives. There’s no point in setting up Trump to refashion humiliating defeats as magnanimous acts of compromise when he cannot get his way. Forcing Trump to back down, rather than striving for some mythical middle, would be a good way to rally the party for 2026.


Trump falsely claims he has some overwhelming mandate to accomplish a host of rash, antidemocratic moves. As I (along with many others) have written, he does not. He barely won, in part because many of his voters thought he would not do the radical things he promised. But Democrats do have a mandate: to stop him when they can. Instead of “find common ground,” maybe they should strive to “give no quarter.”
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