1 in 16 Women's first experience was rape

[hawkedoff]

Coerce huh? That sure leaves a lot of room to define things doesn't it?

That is how many of these rape studies operate. The supposed victims themselves wouldn't define their experience as rape but the people conducting the study do and so that is what gets reported.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

This is a real issue! What is the meaning of consent? People go to jail or go free over this. People get kicked out of college over this.

The people who have any lack of clarity or understanding regarding the meaning of consent should never have sex or they should expect to eventually face very serious consequences for their lack of understanding and lack of empathy.

 

[BelemNole]

Well, now days having sex with a woman who has been drinking is classified as "rape"... I wouldn't want to give Mrs. Tradition ammunition if we ever go to divorce court.

So....don’t. See, not difficult. Unless that’s the only way she’ll sleep with you.

 

[The Tradition]

So....don’t. See, not difficult. Unless that’s the only way she’ll sleep with you.

Bullshit. Alcohol has been enabling sex since the beginning of human history.

 

[BelemNole]

Bullshit. Alcohol has been enabling sex since the beginning of human history.

Yeah? And women have been getting raped that long as well - doesn’t mean it’s right.

 

[Run&Blade]

Right? Your kind is uncomfortable with this sort of information.

No. I guess I am naive. Explain it to me

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Well, now days having sex with a woman who has been drinking is classified as "rape"... I wouldn't want to give Mrs. Tradition ammunition if we ever go to divorce court.

Then don’t have sex with her if she had been drinking. It’s really quite simple.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

No. I guess I am naive. Explain it to me

explain what?

 

[The Tradition]

Then don’t have sex with her if she had been drinking. It’s really quite simple.

I am pretty sure that women do not want a sex ban after having a few glasses of wine.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

I am pretty sure that women do not want a sex ban after having a few glasses of wine.

I am pretty sure that no woman fears a sex ban being imposed. Now being raped by a man, I am pretty sure that essentially all women fear that.

 

[hawkedoff]

I suppose we should also classify those drunk women as rapists as well considering the guy was likely drunk as well.

Funny how that works isn't it?

 

[BelemNole]

I am pretty sure that women do not want a sex ban after having a few glasses of wine.

If they tell you that you’re fine. If you’re just “sure” you’re not so fine.

 

[The Tradition]

I am pretty sure that no woman fears a sex ban being imposed

The evolving standard is that a woman under the influence is INCAPABLE of giving consent for sexual relations.

That's insulting to women.

 

[JRHawk2003]

I suppose we should also classify those drunk women as rapists as well considering the guy was likely drunk as well.

Funny how that works isn't it?

Dont you know? Women bear no responsibility for their own actions. If you do that, you are blaming the victim.

 

[Gonolz]

I suppose we should also classify those drunk women as rapists as well considering the guy was likely drunk as well.

Funny how that works isn't it?

 

[FSU_UCLA]

The evolving standard is that a woman under the influence is INCAPABLE of giving consent for sexual relations.

That's insulting to women.

Ummm...what makes you think that this only applies to women?

 

[The Tradition]

Ummm...what makes you think that this only applies to women?

It's an insult to anybody!

 

[FSU_UCLA]

Dont you know? Women bear no responsibility for their own actions. If you do that, you are blaming the victim.

How much responsibility do you believe that a victim should bear when they have been raped?

 

[The Tradition]

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of Americans alive today were conceived while one or both parents were "under the influence" of something.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

It's an insult to anybody!

It’s less of an insult than being raped and then being blamed for your rape because you were drunk.

 

[The Tradition]

How much responsibility do you believe that a victim should bear when they have been raped?

Again, we have to define what "rape" is.

 

[JRHawk2003]

How much responsibility do you believe that a victim should bear when they have been raped?

When both parties have been drinking, and then one has regret the next day...you tell me.

 

[BelemNole]

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of Americans alive today were conceived while one or both parents were "under the influence" of something.

I’m not sure if you’re more strange or awful.

 

[FSU_UCLA]

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of Americans alive today were conceived while one or both parents were "under the influence" of something.

And 100% of the female veterans I saw at the VA were sexually assaulted by another service member during their time in. What’s your point?

 

[FSU_UCLA]

When both parties have been drinking, and then one has regret the next day...you tell me.

I asked you. I have no confusion or lack of clarity regarding consent or the definition of rape or who bears responsibility for rape. Apparently, you and the tradition do.

 

[The Tradition]

And 100% of the female veterans I saw at the VA were sexually assaulted by another service member during their time in. What’s your point?

See? I question that crap, too. I was in the Coast Guard for six years. I never saw or even heard of any female Coast Guard women getting sexually assaulted. My last two years was at the District Office level and all the serious charges of wrongdoing out in the field flowed through my office. Never saw any charges like that bubbling up.

 

[BelemNole]

It’s always the same posters who seem so threatened when stories about women being victimized are published.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

See? I question that crap, too. I was in the Coast Guard for six years. I never saw or even heard of any female Coast Guard women getting sexually assaulted. My last two years was at the District Office level and all the serious charges of wrongdoing out in the field flowed through my office. Never saw any charges like that bubbling up.

How is it that all your years in HR and you still don’t seem to consider something might have happened even if you didn’t see it live with your own eyes?

 

[JRHawk2003]

I asked you. I have no confusion or lack of clarity regarding consent or the definition of rape or who bears responsibility for rape. Apparently, you and the tradition do.

In the scenario I refer to, I disagree that its coerced. There isnt a lack of clarity.

 

[Run&Blade]

I would encourage any rape victim to go to police immediately so evidence can be collected and charges filed.

 

[The Tradition]

How is it that all your years in HR and you still don’t seem to consider something might have happened even if you didn’t see it live with your own eyes?

He said 100 percent of his female VA patients were sexually assaulted in the service. 100 percent?

 

[Bank of Hawk]

Girl: I don’t know if we should go that far, smiling...
Guy: I agree... we’re connecting so well & this may sound crazy, but I feel like we’ve known each other for years.
Girl: ok
...
Girl regrets it the next morning.. is that coercion?

 

[Ban Meat]

Verbally coerced? How many of the rapes were this?

How many of verbal coercions were committed by partners with similar emotional / intellectual abilities?

Quite possibly it's true that many of these "rapes" were regretful experiences between relatively equal partners where the male plays the role of the pursueder.

Do we want a to consider a 15 year old boy talking his way into bed with his 15 year old girlfriend anything near a rape? (in its traditional sense)

Oh, wait, wait. 1 in 16! That's terrible.

 

[hawkbirch]

I would encourage any rape victim to go to police immediately so evidence can be collected and charges filed.

And have a jury full of Trad's decide if I was sober enough or clear enough when I said no or if I fought hard enough or if my clothes were covering enough of me so it wasn't my fault. No thanks.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

He said 100 percent of his female VA patients were sexually assaulted in the service. 100 percent?

Maybe that’s why they went to see UCLA in the first place.

 

[The Tradition]

And have a jury full of Trad's decide if I was sober enough or clear enough when I said no or if I fought hard enough or if my clothes were covering enough of me so it wasn't my fault. No thanks.

Now days there's an app for that.

 

[unIowa]

It’s pretty simple- if you have to coerce someone in any way you’re doing it wrong and should stop.

What about barter?

Immediate laughter by me.

 

[haw-key]

I regret that we have gotten to a point in society where women are afraid to say no.

Conversely I hate the concept where someone regrets an act that was last night consensual, now is considered rape in the am.

Are guys really now required to anticipate how a woman will feel about things in the morning?

Fortunately these are issues that I no longer have to deal with myself as a happily married male but I fear for my sons. And daughter if real rape is this common.

 

[BelemNole]

First thoughts about self, second sons, finally daughter. Fascinating.

 

[The Tradition]

First thoughts about self, second sons, finally daughter. Fascinating.

Geez you're such a toolbag. These are real problems confronting real people. At the beginning of this thread I asked, "what's wrong with our culture?" Why are so many men committing rape and/or why do so many women feel like they've been raped? Ideas on how to fix this border on the ludicrous. How about everybody just be respectful and honest? Is that too much to ask? What's wrong with our culture?