First thoughts about self, second sons, finally daughter. Fascinating.
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First thoughts about self, second sons, finally daughter. Fascinating.
Toxic masculinity.What's wrong with our culture?
You and Trump see eye to eye on a lot of things don’t you?Geez you're such a toolbag. These are real problems confronting real people. At the beginning of this thread I asked, "what's wrong with our culture?" Why are so many men committing rape and/or why do so many women feel like they've been raped? Ideas on how to fix this border on the ludicrous. How about everybody just be respectful and honest? Is that too much to ask? What's wrong with our culture?
"He talked me into it," isn't rape, for example.
Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
You are operating by the wrong definition of coercion.
If you are using force or threats to get sex, that is rape.
I asked you. I have no confusion or lack of clarity regarding consent or the definition of rape or who bears responsibility for rape. Apparently, you and the tradition do.
Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
You are operating by the wrong definition of coercion.
If you are using force or threats to get sex, that is rape.
What does that have to do with "he talked me into it"?
It doesn't. I wasn't the one claiming that "talked me into it" constituted coercion
I believe his point was that the study might have used a more broad definition than what some of us might use.
Sarcasm or actual victim shaming?If this is all true I would suggest women change their 1/2 naked attire when going out.
Some dudes obviously can’t handle it.
The use of the term “coerced” over and over makes me question the accuracy as it’s subjective.The study says that 6.5% of women surveyed had an unwanted first sexual intercourse that was forced or coerced and it "appears to be common."
There is a difference between coercion and persuasion.The use of the term “coerced” over and over makes me question the accuracy as it’s subjective.
Man: You want to have sex?
Woman: I don’t know.
Man: What do you mean you don’t know? It’s a yes or no question.
Woman: Sure.
Woman later: I felt pressured to have sex!
It’s subjective.There is a difference between coercion and persuasion.The use of the term “coerced” over and over makes me question the accuracy as it’s subjective.
Man: You want to have sex?
Woman: I don’t know.
Man: What do you mean you don’t know? It’s a yes or no question.
Woman: Sure.
Woman later: I felt pressured to have sex!
I lead consent discussions on-campus, and one of the key points is “do not have sex with anybody if you are under the influence or if they are.” The gender doesn’t matter; the message is just don’t do it.Belem and UCLA...honest question, hopefully you know me well enough to know I'm not trolling.
Can a woman consent to sex if she's been had any alcohol?
Like, if you have a boy going off to college, is that what you would tell them? Do not engage in any physical touch with a woman unless you are sure she has not had anything to drink or any drugs?
Well...it has been a thing.I am pretty sure that women do not want a sex ban after having a few glasses of wine.
You can label it anyway you need to to fit your agenda.Sarcasm or actual victim shaming?
Of course. The point is, you're taking a risk once alcohol is involved. That risk increases with the amount of alcohol each of you drinks and with how well you know that person. At some level of drinking, one or more of you will no longer be able to legally give consent. If you're both drunk the chances are that the other won't recognize that fact.Belem and UCLA...honest question, hopefully you know me well enough to know I'm not trolling.
Can a woman consent to sex if she's been had any alcohol?
Like, if you have a boy going off to college, is that what you would tell them? Do not engage in any physical touch with a woman unless you are sure she has not had anything to drink or any drugs?
No, I get it. People like you are why women have to wear burkas in some countries. It's the exact same thinking.You can label it anyway you need to to fit your agenda.
I call it, not putting yourself in bad situations.
I also don’t recommend people drive down Logan Avenue in Waterloo Iowa at night in a convertible waving around money and screaming.
I never raped anyone or even remotely considered it.No, I get it. People like you are why women have to wear burkas in some countries. It's the exact same thinking.
Reading comprehension isn't a strong point huh? You said that women should cover up because men can't control themselves. That's the same thinking that's led to women covered from head to foot. Congrats on joining the US Taliban.I never raped anyone or even remotely considered it.
But you need your agenda talking points about being a victim so carry on.
We need to talk about enthusiastic consentIt’s subjective.
I don’t give a shit what anybody wears. I am just saying if you put yourself in bad situations sooner or later bad things will happen.Reading comprehension isn't a strong point huh? You said that women should cover up because men can't control themselves. That's the same thinking that's led to women covered from head to foot. Congrats on joining the US Taliban.
You're not say, you're just saying....I don’t give a shit what anybody wears. I am just saying if you put yourself in bad situations sooner or later bad things will happen.
Dressing half naked getting drunk and being alone with people that shouldn’t be trusted is about three mistakes individually and when you combine them that is really bad.
I preach to my kids all the time about knowing your situations and your surroundings. I tell them right and wrong, illegal and legal doesn’t mean much sometimes.
What does that have to do with "he talked me into it"?
They are wrong also but I am talking about controlling the things you can control.And yet you focus on the women’s clothing, rather than the men’s being drunk or being alone around people who shouldn’t be trusted.
You're not say, you're just saying....
I can only hope that you don't end up in the jury box on any sexual assault case.
And you can control what women wear?!They are wrong also but I am talking about controlling the things you can control.
I can’t control other people’s actions.
I lead consent discussions on-campus, and one of the key points is “do not have sex with anybody if you are under the influence or if they are.” The gender doesn’t matter; the message is just don’t do it.
Are you always this stupid or just trying it on for size?And you can control what women wear?!
Of course. The point is, you're taking a risk once alcohol is involved. That risk increases with the amount of alcohol each of you drinks and with how well you know that person. At some level of drinking, one or more of you will no longer be able to legally give consent. If you're both drunk the chances are that the other won't recognize that fact.
So, are all drunken hook up with randos rape? No. Are they risky behavior? Absolutely. Will people still engage in them? Yep. Will hrot misogynists blame the women and the system and everyone but the man when things do go wrong? You're got damned right they will.