We've seen Kennedy much of the year and now we've seen Nelson back in the saddle a couple weeks. And most of us have seen them both for years. So who do you want to see at B10s and NCAAs?
174 -- Who do you want to see at B10s and NCAAs? And no, you can't pick Kemdog...
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Since this is the cesspool where the rules don't apply, I will always pick Kemdawg.
Honestly though, I can't come to a clear choice. My gut says Nelson's defensive savvy and better fit at the weight give him more upside, but PK has the dog in him if he gets hot. Truly a coin flip imo.
Pre-allocation criteria and seeding might tip the scale towards PK. I have to look it up every year, but I think someone with as few matches as Nelson has would need to win Big Tens to guarantee an AQ spot, though he would likely get an at-large if he finished well in the conference. Seeding might be hard on him with so few matches though. That might tip it to PK, but it seems like a crapshoot to me.
Honestly though, I can't come to a clear choice. My gut says Nelson's defensive savvy and better fit at the weight give him more upside, but PK has the dog in him if he gets hot. Truly a coin flip imo.
Pre-allocation criteria and seeding might tip the scale towards PK. I have to look it up every year, but I think someone with as few matches as Nelson has would need to win Big Tens to guarantee an AQ spot, though he would likely get an at-large if he finished well in the conference. Seeding might be hard on him with so few matches though. That might tip it to PK, but it seems like a crapshoot to me.
This is a very good take on the situation.
Pretty sure he only has to finish as high as the allocated positions not win Big tens. He would be unlikely to get an at large bid if he was outside the allocation
If Gabe @ 174 & Angelo @ 184 is not an option, it’s a no brainer for me. The post season is about bonus points. You go with the guy who wrestles to score points. Kennedy may be undersized but he wrestles his guts out and gives us more upside for team points.
Nelson has been out of action too much over nearly two years and I honestly can’t see him AA again. My vote is Patrick.
Nelson has been out of action too much over nearly two years and I honestly can’t see him AA again. My vote is Patrick.
This is my take as well. I think with more time on the mat Nelson would get there but unfortunately we've got no time.
Yes, you're right. This confuses me every year. Seeding may still be a factor in the decision though.
Here's the overview from last year's NCAAs:
I think you guys are gonna be disappointed when it’s Brands. Logic tells me there’s a reason Arnold is at 184 and brands started the season and got the match tonight. You don’t take the guy who gets more bonus. You take the guy who wins more matches.
I'm with Kennedy. He's more likely to win in rounds 1 & 2, and potentially first-round bonus points. Brands is more likely to win or lose every round by a tossup, including the first 2.
Either one getting on the podium is probably going to b draw dependent and Brands in my opinion is more likely to win the close matches. PK gives up some head scratchers. For reference last year at NCAAs. And last week. Although I think he’d get Pinto in the rematch.
It's gotta be Kennedy. There was nothing defensively savvy about last night. Nelson got taken down right off the whistle. Gimme the scorer. Pat will break thru.
I really have no idea, but I would give Kennedy the go if he is close to 100%
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i think it’s kennedy. don’t think brands is healthy enough and it didn’t help that he came out of the match last night holding his good knee.
I like this IF he can make 174? Then pump Brands to 184. I guess you would need to be a coach in the room to actually see who is beating who? I do not see a better or more fair way to move forward?
There is no TRUE 184 in this trio, so in my opinion, I am putting the best kid in at 174, bumping the next to 184.
Want offense or defense in the postseason. Don’t see either as an AA and not a big difference in pts. I’d say PK but only cuz I’ve never been a fan of NB style.
Arnold 174 with Ferrari 184. Otherwise I don't think PK vs NB matters regarding Iowa's 2025 finish. The real consideration might be team chemistry going forward.
If NB goes, claims of nepotism will follow. Then if PK NILs or something back to Minnesota for cause in 2025-26, more negativity could follow. Of course, it's all based on hypotheticals with arbitrary likelihoods.
So, from an optics perspective given the team points difference seems minimal, I would go with PK.
If NB goes, claims of nepotism will follow. Then if PK NILs or something back to Minnesota for cause in 2025-26, more negativity could follow. Of course, it's all based on hypotheticals with arbitrary likelihoods.
So, from an optics perspective given the team points difference seems minimal, I would go with PK.
Gabe was over 183 for NW he can't make 174 for big 10s he's not an option for 174. Would take 25 days from Feb 16 for decent plan
I’m not expecting a lot from this weight either way, so I’d imagine whoever wins a wrestle off should and will go. I’m sure the team and wrestlers agree.
Though PK may have a slightly higher upside and bonus potential, I do believe Nelson has the better odds to be an AA.
It would be Brands' last match in Carver, maybe that's also why he got the start. And his defense was thought to keep it to a decision. But PK has 3 losses all to top 10 kids ‐ Haines, Kharchla and Pinto. Why do we talk like he's having a horrible season?
If I remember correctly pk took Hamiti to sudden death last time they wrestled. Granted that was at 165 for both of them.
I would lean pk, but it’s closer than I’d like it to be.
Exactly where I'm at. Nelson is banged up and has shown zero offense this year against anybody with a pulse. PK is pretty automatic for bonus against anybody outside the top 15. Just 2 majors on the backside outscores a r12 finisher who doesn't bonus (which feels like Nelson's ceiling right now).
Royce Alger?
Since Gabe can't go at 174, then flip a coin.
Not likely to get more than 2 wins and no bonus from that weight no matter which one goes.
Not likely to get more than 2 wins and no bonus from that weight no matter which one goes.
Who is going to bring you the most points? That’s the answer.
I think PK is closer to AA this year than Nelson is, but for argument sake, let’s say they are both blood round guys. Each wins 1 on the front, 2 on the back. Who is more likely to squeeze out extra points?
Kennedy is about a 50% bonus guy for his career and Brands is only about a 25% guy. Kennedy is probably a 7/8 seed and I’m not sure that Nelson gets seeded any higher than 15th which gives him absolutely horrible matchups in round 2.
I think PK is closer to AA this year than Nelson is, but for argument sake, let’s say they are both blood round guys. Each wins 1 on the front, 2 on the back. Who is more likely to squeeze out extra points?
Kennedy is about a 50% bonus guy for his career and Brands is only about a 25% guy. Kennedy is probably a 7/8 seed and I’m not sure that Nelson gets seeded any higher than 15th which gives him absolutely horrible matchups in round 2.
People keep talking about Kennedy's bonus, but as I stated in the other thread, PK has one bonus win in two NCAA tournaments, and that was against a clearly injured Phil Conigliaro.
And in which year do we expect that to no longer be the case?
You could post this a million times and there would still be hardos bitching…. It’s truly mind boggling that posters here still think it’s even remotely a possibility.
Gabe at 74, Angelo at 84. I’m not sure how this still isn’t blatantly obvious.
I would expect a MUCH greater battle NEXT year and IOWA to win it in TWOOO!!!!
ARNOLD moves down to 174 in the off-season where there is no POS decent plan and FERRARI fills 184!!!
ALSO- remove that ridiculous picture of yourself!!! You don't look so good!!!
I thought it would lead to the MC-PK-GA-AF 157-184 discussion again.
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