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Do you know people who really rely on Soc Sec/Medicare/ or Medicaid? Are they family?

I don't have a favorite Govt Agency, BUT I'm willing to choose one if someone were...to say....maybe...START A POLL!

@Moral whatcha think? "What is your favorite Govt Agency" poll time?

USPS, National Park Service, CFPB, Veterans Affairs, Social Security, Health and Human Services, Social Security, Department of Transportation, CDC, National Institutes of Health?
 
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Is this a joke, SS is not a well run agency? So much can be automated now and data analytics like DOGE is doing and can catch large errors and then dive into the details to correct these errors. You can do more with less. I read that there is a Fed/state employee ratio of 1 to every 13 citizens. That seems way too high to me. There is so much redundancy in govt at all levels. These govt employees can go work in the private sector and make a living. Back when we were recruited out of college there was a reason why the lower level students took the govt jobs and not seeked out by the private sector.
Wouldn’t “not SOUGHT out by the private sector” be more grammatically correct? Of course, you just told me you were one of those “highly seeked” coming out of college…who am I to critique?
 
If you pay more in you should receive a higher benefit. Pretty simple.

Every program needs to be exactly proportional? There's no reason for that. Most taxes screw the poor and the middle class. So let the highest income earners pay a little bit disproportionately in payroll taxes. Not a big deal.
 
Every program needs to be exactly proportional? There's no reason for that. Most taxes screw the poor and the middle class. So let the highest income earners pay a little bit disproportionately in payroll taxes. Not a big deal.

166k, the income limit from last year, is the very definition of middle class. Yes, if you continue to collect social security past this amount and not pay a higher benefit, you are screwing over the middle class.

It is a big deal.
 
I have a high school friend who was a very successful physician and chief of OB/GYN/Maternity at a very large hospital in addition to his private practice.
Obviously he earned a very high salary towards the end of his active practice days and always paid maximum into SSI.
His monthly check is far less than his income was obviously and he’s maxed out at somewhere around $4800 a month I think. He began collecting at age 70 when benefit amounts stop increasing for everyone. So even though he’d be classified as a “wealthy” person the amount he collects is far less than what he was earning while working.
I support the elimination of an earnings cap - or subjecting it to an automatic increase on a periodic basis at minimum every ten years. Five would be better.
 
Honest question because this is a necessary conversation, but for those of you proposing to simply raise or eliminate the income cap, are you also capping the benefit? The current max benefit at FRA right now is just over 4k per month. You keeping that benefit the same while increasing their tax? I’m not so sure about that.
That is the part of means testing. If their net worth is way up there then they do not need much or any of their benefit.

The hell with the really rich who dont want to help the poor. If only we could get the 100 million voters of the lower 50 % to vote against the 1 million millionaires and 2500 billionaires then this country would be more fair, there would be way more money in the hands of the lower 50% which they will spend more often and which will actually keep the economy going better which in the end helps the really rich. The really rich are a bunch of hoarding shits
 
If you do about how many people? Do they really rely on those checks and medical coverage? Are they family?

My wife and I are retired; we get our Soc Sec checks; we are on Medicare Advantage med insurance plans: we have saved and have retirement money but we dont get into that money very much and live fine and do the things we want to.

But Soc Sec for instance is a very well run admin and agency. About 60,000 employees who get the checks etc to 71 million people each month. That is great work. And if Gramma Sue dies and her daughter continues to collect her check then the daughter is the scofflaw but not Soc Sec.

Same with Medicare, they have a very low adminstrative budget, about 3% compared to 30% for the high salaries at private insurance companies which is why that insurance is so expensive.

But if you friends and family dont get their checks and benefits, even though the money is theirs that they paid into the trust funds, tell us how you will feel? What will you do?

I am ready to march, protest, etc. We had tear gas cannisters shot at us in the late 60' and early 70's and we can do it again.
How do you suppose folks depending on social security to get by will feel about this, Ms. Hysteria? >

 
That is the part of means testing. If their net worth is way up there then they do not need much or any of their benefit.

The hell with the really rich who dont want to help the poor. If only we could get the 100 million voters of the lower 50 % to vote against the 1 million millionaires and 2500 billionaires then this country would be more fair, there would be way more money in the hands of the lower 50% which they will spend more often and which will actually keep the economy going better which in the end helps the really rich. The really rich are a bunch of hoarding shits
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Kudos to you for understanding how Medicare is truly taxed. I’m not sure social security is different. That’s kind of why I asked the question. So, you think it is ok to continue to tax individuals 6.2% and their employers 6.2% on their income and not pay them a higher benefit if they make over 168k? I sure as heck don’t think that is ok at all.
Then you agree that everyone receiving Social security should get a 30% cut. That's what is about to happen. That is the cliff we are about to hit.
 
Is this a joke, SS is not a well run agency? So much can be automated now and data analytics like DOGE is doing and can catch large errors and then dive into the details to correct these errors. You can do more with less. I read that there is a Fed/state employee ratio of 1 to every 13 citizens. That seems way too high to me. There is so much redundancy in govt at all levels. These govt employees can go work in the private sector and make a living. Back when we were recruited out of college there was a reason why the lower level students took the govt jobs and not seeked out by the private sector.
The SSA has been running on software from the 70's, of course it could be ran better with a better system. This is something that congress has refused to fund.
 
Those of us on SS pay a portion of our monthly checks into Medicare, deducted automatically. This year it’s $185 and has a deductible of about $275, but if your total income exceeds a certain amount your premium is adjusted to a higher amount automatically.
 
Then you agree that everyone receiving Social security should get a 30% cut. That's what is about to happen. That is the cliff we are about to hit.

No, I don’t. So the only options are to cut social security by 30% or tax the shit out of everyone with no additional benefit? Thats it?
 
I know many that rely on SS and medicare, friends, relatives that vote both sides. Some have savings but many couldn't make it without SS. When the largest employer moved out of town, many that were close to retirement took the SS with out enough savings, and now paying the price.
 
No, I don’t. So the only options are to cut social security by 30% or tax the shit out of everyone with no additional benefit? Thats it?
Mathematically yes. From 1980 until 2010 we had more people paying into the system than we had people drawing out, There was a surplus. Now the last these people are entering retirement. In 2034 that surplus is gone. We have done nothing to address the shortfall. We will hit that cliff if we do nothing.
 
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This. I do think it will happen sooner rather than later.

I hope you are correct, but I am not confident that it will happen. During his first term, trump made no effort to do anything about it and never gave any impression that anything was being considered.
 
Mathematically yes. From 1980 until 2010 we had more people paying into the system than we had people drawing out, There was a surplus. Now the last these people are entering retirement. In 2034 that surplus is gone. We have done nothing to address the shortfall. We will hit that cliff if we do nothing.

I completely agree something needs to be done. I just don't believe for one second taxing the crap out of our middle class with no additional benefit is the way to do it.

I would be more in favor of something along the lines of once you reach the cap, which is 178k this year, you are done paying into ssa until your income hits 300-400k. Once you go over that amount you get taxed an additional amount to keep social security solvent.

I am not sure what those numbers look like, but I would support something like this.
 
I completely agree something needs to be done. I just don't believe for one second taxing the crap out of our middle class with no additional benefit is the way to do it.

I would be more in favor of something along the lines of once you reach the cap, which is 178k this year, you are done paying into ssa until your income hits 300-400k. Once you go over that amount you get taxed an additional amount to keep social security solvent.

I am not sure what those numbers look like, but I would support something like this.
If we eliminate the cap right now, we would solve about 75% of the problem before 2034. This should have been delt with years ago.
 
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Just an fyi, fwiw....

latest rumor is that doj attorneys currently focused on foreign corrupt practices act enforcement are being retasked to health care fraud, waste and abuse.
 
How else are Trump appointees going to get their payment from whichever foreign nation wants a favor?
i have to say, FCPA is a complete pita -- bribes unacceptable, but "facilitation payments" are? how do you apply it in the ME where every company is run by somebody who's affiliated with royal family members who are otherwise foreign public officials?

And as to your question, I suspect that most trump appointees will not themselves be handling personal business transactions with foreign public officials, given the obviousness factor, and instead it'll be more like a hunter/don jr. scenario.
 
i have to say, FCPA is a complete pita -- bribes unacceptable, but "facilitation payments" are? how do you apply it in the ME where every company is run by somebody who's affiliated with royal family members who are otherwise foreign public officials?

And as to your question, I suspect that most trump appointees will not themselves be handling personal business transactions with foreign public officials, given the obviousness factor, and instead it'll be more like a hunter/don jr. scenario.
You are probably right. I ran a large global organization and experienced these issues firsthand. Our “general manager” in our ME HQ in Dubai was the only citizen of UAE on the payroll. He was paid the most, never showed up to do a thing except when we had government business in the area. A complete scam, but also the only way we could do business there.
 
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