174 -- Who do you want to see at B10s and NCAAs? And no, you can't pick Kemdog...
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Didn't Caliendo certify at 157 this year? He's so jacked I'm not sure how he'd lose 8 lbs, but if he's handled twice more by Messenbrink this year, he may want to get away from him next year just to have shot at a title.
I get that it may be hard to drop a weight in the middle of February, but why wouldn’t they have planned for this earlier in the current season if it is something that will be so easy for Gabe to do over the summer? Did the coaching staff just figure out Ferrari was pretty good in the past couple of weeks?
Because they want to give Ferrari the best shot to win all 4 years?
Because it was what was best for the team and made the most sense going forward. I wish I could write posts in crayon.
I don’t think he’s having a horrible season. He has some lapses that make him vulnerable such as giving up 7 to pinto and his early round loss at ncaa’s last year.
Most sense going forward, ok fine. But I thought scoring the most points possible at Nationals was what was best for the team.
You’re a casual…. These type of questions are typical. I don’t care to explain these things to you. Maybe someone else will take it from here.
This year Iowa's absolute ceiling is 2nd given the monstrosity at PSU, and as constructed Iowa is favored (though certainly not locked into) getting 2nd. It's best for the program long-term to maximize the number of years elite wrestlers are wrestling at the same time, and getting max use of everybody's eligibility. Plus, Angelo would have a much harder road to hoe in pursuing a title this year than next.
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Totally irrelevant but in one of my last years in Education, I filled out my yearly evaluation with a one sentence summary WRITTEN IN RED CRAYON, that read "i done reel good Boss".
Needless to say it was an Administrator that I got along with.
All roads are hard to hoe, even the gravel ones (I've tried). 😉
Gobblin, you need to go for a run and get some fresh air. You're becoming Spooner.
Lol…. I feel fantastic, but appreciate your concern. Caught 3 huge boar coons this morning and split about 2 1/2 cords of red oak today.
Well no shit. I just thought you full-time geniuses would have something more insightful than “Penn State and the elite 184-pounders are really good this year.” They aren’t just going to leave gaps in their lineup when guys graduate you know. If you think we are suddenly closing the gap next year without Parco, Teemer, and Buchanan, I don’t know what to tell you.
There betting that it’s better for Angelo and Iowa to start his career next year. It’s unlikely that he wins a natty this year and the team is solidly in second. While tosu and psu have studs to fill the gap they aren’t Starocci and Kekiesen at this point
You seem pleasant. If you already knew the answer, why do you persist in seeking more amswers?
There won't be a "gap" in PSU's lineup at 184 next year, but there won't be a 4-time champion going for a 5th, plus an undefeated returning champ in the draw as well, either. It's likely to be either Josh Barr or Zach Ryder for PSU if Barr stays at 197. Both are tough, but neither are Starocci.
I assumed I was missing something less obvious than PSU is really good again so let’s wait until 2027 to make a run at this thing. Waiting for them to fold doesn’t seem to be working.
I’m the farthest thing from a world class athlete, but I think I’d want to make a run at it this year and take the chance of only being a 3-timer. History is not littered with all-time greats who choose to stay on the bench until the tough competition retires or ages out.
I guess that’s why they’re paying somebody else 700000 to make the decision. Being a four timer is rarified air. Recruiting is trending upwards. Don’t hate the decision
The decision is not solely Angelo's or solely about Angelo.
If Cael had thought that way as a wrestler or as a coach, he'd probably be a 3 time National champion with multiple losses (one for sure in Jenn) and only have 8 or 9 team titles by not punting the years he was waiting for the tough competition to age out.
he clearly has work to do on bottom and needs to gain size to fill out fo the weight. we have another guy in the room that used his RS last year who isn't much of a drop off. and to top it off we just got one of the top recruits all time to commit and by RS AF they will get 3 years in the lineup (to go with all the other very logical reasons)
I like PK’s game a lot better. He’s max effort and gives everything he has every time out. I thought it was the right move to put Nelson out there vs Hamiti as PK already has losses vs him and perhaps Nelson’s stingy defensive style would’ve given DH a lot of trouble. In hindsight at least PK has had a puncher’s chance against Hamiti in the past. Brands didn’t offer much in the way of resistance. Give me PK, he’s got loads of fight in him.
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I think Nelson wins the head to head, I think he beats Lenny Pinto, also PK is more likely to get bonused by this version of Hamiti. Personal opinion
Or Angelo wants to have the best shot at being a 4-Timer, and the coaches agreed as part of the recruiting process to let the Ferrari family make the call if Angelo was winning in the room.
And at this stage I think it's Kennedy. Just don't think Brands looks 100 percent yet...
One could say Cael set up two 4-peats when he:
1) Redshirted Quentin Wright after he AA'd as a True Freshman, while RSing all incoming Freshman (including David Taylor and Ed Ruth) his first year in State College (2009-10).
2) Redshirted Zain Retherford after he AA'd as a True Freshman and Nico Megaludis after he AA'd his first 3 years, while RSing all incoming Freshman (including Nolf, Nickal, and Nevills) the year tOSU won their championship (2014-15).
So two times Cael punted in 15 seasons to help win 11 of 13 possible NCAA championships (12 if you want to count this, his 15th season).
By the same token, neither Nick Lee nor Mark Hall ever redshirted. And neither of them were 4-Time individual champions. Similarly Braeden Davis and Luke Lilledahl did not use their redshirt during their Freshman year.
What is redshirting vs starting Angelo most akin to? Is he more a Nick Lee/Mark Hall type? Is Iowa really punting to set up a 4-peat?
(Edit: corrected based on replies)
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It was a yes or no question for the guy posting that Kale never punted. There's no argument on whether it was the correct call or not.
I don't think Angelo's situation is akin to a punt year. If it was, then Estrada's redshirt wouldn't have been burned, and maybe Drake Ayala uses his redshirt this year too. Rather Iowa appears to be trying to stay more relevant with a 2nd or 3rd place trophy finish. In 2015, Cael had no problem taking 5th.
Also, the poster who brought up punting caveated it as a strategy of waiting for weights to clear out. I don’t believe that was Cael's motivation or strategy Rather I believe it was to set up a 4-year team run. If so, it worked / was the correct call.
But this ^^^ doesn't seem to apply in Angelo's case.
(Edit: corrected bases on replies)
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Kueter already redshirted
Ben has already redshirted, and I never said this was a punt year. Angelo wanted to red shirt otherwise I think he would have wrestled 174 this year. He's building into a 184 for next year imo.
Only 2015 when Retherford, Megaludis, Nolf, Nickal, Cassar, and Nevills all redshirted.
It's hard to call 2010 a punt year when they hadn't ever won anything yet. 2015 was the only year where they were national champs and potentially had to horses to make a run at repeating but chose to put starters in redshirt instead. That's a true punt year.
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