2004 is the last time we shared or won the big ten title

[BrunoMars420]

Think about that for a second. It’s going to be 14 years since last time we won the big ten champions yet we pay Kirk the 11th most out of all coaches in the land. This decade has been below average minus the outlier of the 12 win season. Take that outlier out we are averaging 7 wins a game.

Kirk fans please give a reason how this mediocracy is accepted?

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

In 04, I graduated high school. When you think about it as a "What's happened since then?" Horrrrreeyyyyyy sheeeeet....that starts to feel like a long time ago. I'm 32. Yeeesh.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Crazy to think of the excuses that the Kirk D riders come up with for their saint Ferentz

 

[markfromj]

It's factually true but just a bit mis-leading. 2015 should be considered a Big Ten championship as much as the pre-divisionalized 2002 and 2004 are.

 

[WildTurk]

Crazy to think of the excuses that the Kirk D riders come up with for their saint Ferentz

Did you hate Kirk in 2015?

 

[The_Joker13]

It's factually true but just a bit mis-leading. 2015 should be considered a Big Ten championship as much as the pre-divisionalized 2002 and 2004 are.

Should be? Maybe, but it's not.

 

[TooMuchDumb]

Think about that for a second. It’s going to be 14 years since last time we won the big ten champions yet we pay Kirk the 11th most out of all coaches in the land. This decade has been below average minus the outlier of the 12 win season. Take that outlier out we are averaging 7 wins a game.

Kirk fans please give a reason how this mediocracy is accepted?

Come on, man, we're young and had unexpected injuries like no one else does!

 

[TooMuchDumb]

It's factually true but just a bit mis-leading. 2015 should be considered a Big Ten championship as much as the pre-divisionalized 2002 and 2004 are.

WTF are you snorting??

 

[Dauminator]

Should be? Maybe, but it's not.

It's true. Modern divisional titles are equivalent to vintage conference titles. There didn't used to be a contrived post-season playoff game. I know the postseason went poorly for Iowa, but that 12-0 season ranks with any other great season in Iowa history.

 

[Scott559]

Through the history of Iowa football and basketball we don’t often win the league Championship, it’s not just a “Kirk” thing.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Through the history of Iowa football and basketball we don’t often win the league Championship, it’s not just a “Kirk” thing.

I wonder where Wisconsin football would be today if Barry Alvarez took over that job with the 'ole KF attitude of "aw, shucks, we're just little 'ol Wisconsin; and since we've sucked for decades you can't expect we're going to compete consistently with the big boys."

That, and a reminder that under Gary Barta Iowa has far and away the worst performing overall athletic department in the B1G, doesn't make me feel better about the state of the football program.

 

[markfromj]

WTF are you snorting??

Iowa went 8 - 0 in 2002 and were champions.

Iowa went 9 - 0 in 2015 and were not? That really make sense to you? At least against the snark that it's been since 2004 blah blah blah?

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Four teams have won the B1G since 2004. OSU, Wisky, Mich St and PSU. Every other school in the B1G has changed coaches a few times. Yet, one of those same 4 teams is going to win the B1G again this year, and probably next year.

Quite possibly, there is more to it than simply changing coaches.

 

[hawkfeever]

Think about that for a second. It’s going to be 14 years since last time we won the big ten champions yet we pay Kirk the 11th most out of all coaches in the land. This decade has been below average minus the outlier of the 12 win season. Take that outlier out we are averaging 7 wins a game.

Kirk fans please give a reason how this mediocracy is accepted?

And what team blew the Hawks away this year?

 

[TooMuchDumb]

Iowa went 8 - 0 in 2002 and were champions.

Iowa went 9 - 0 in 2015 and were not? That really make sense to you? At least against the snark that it's been since 2004 blah blah blah?

So MSU was runner-up? For anyone paying attention at home, this is how the "brain" of an apologist works!

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Yeah its been a while. When was the last time Minnesota won a BTC, Purdue, Nebbie, Illinois, and NW? I mean its been a while for a lot of those teams. Hell what about Michigan, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland?

Two years ago we had a shot and were a 4th down stop away from getting a big ten title. So really its been a while, but we have been close since then, just haven't gotten over the hilll. 2009 we had a shot, but lost at OSU in OT. In 2015 we lost on a 4th down at the 1yd line.

If you don't like Kirk, then switch teams. I am going to back him no matter what. He is a great coach who is the dean of college coaches. He does it the right way and he develops his players. He graduates a majority of his players and you rarely hear a negative thing said about him from former players. I am mad about how our season is going, but I am not going to let the recent downfalls, blemish my way of thinking.

Lets face it, we lost 2 5th year starters at Tackle. We are playing FRESHMAN instead of Seniors. That will kill your Oline, no matter where you are at. Look at USC (same scenario, and to replace tackles w/freshman.) Their QB was the front runner in the heisman and they were #5 preseason. They are now struggling. Oline is important and Iowa's trying to figure it out. We have some youth there and frankly the Line isn't getting it done up front. I have a feeling that will change real quick.

This is also a transition year, we have new coordinators and young players getting into the action. There are bound to be mistakes made and I think this team like others will finish with a flurry of wins and get to a decent bowl game and springboard into next season.

 

[markfromj]

So MSU was runner-up? For anyone paying attention at home, this is how the "brain" of an apologist works!

No.

I am not a KF apologist. I just think 2015 was every bit as impressive as 2002 and 2004. How champ was measured changed.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Yeah its been a while. When was the last time Minnesota won a BTC, Purdue, Nebbie, Illinois, and NW? I mean its been a while for a lot of those teams. Hell what about Michigan, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland?

Two years ago we had a shot and were a 4th down stop away from getting a big ten title. So really its been a while, but we have been close since then, just haven't gotten over the hilll. 2009 we had a shot, but lost at OSU in OT. In 2015 we lost on a 4th down at the 1yd line.

If you don't like Kirk, then switch teams. I am going to back him no matter what. He is a great coach who is the dean of college coaches. He does it the right way and he develops his players. He graduates a majority of his players and you rarely hear a negative thing said about him from former players. I am mad about how our season is going, but I am not going to let the recent downfalls, blemish my way of thinking.

Lets face it, we lost 2 5th year starters at Tackle. We are playing FRESHMAN instead of Seniors. That will kill your Oline, no matter where you are at. Look at USC (same scenario, and to replace tackles w/freshman.) Their QB was the front runner in the heisman and they were #5 preseason. They are now struggling. Oline is important and Iowa's trying to figure it out. We have some youth there and frankly the Line isn't getting it done up front. I have a feeling that will change real quick.

This is also a transition year, we have new coordinators and young players getting into the action. There are bound to be mistakes made and I think this team like others will finish with a flurry of wins and get to a decent bowl game and springboard into next season.

You serious? If I don’t like Kirk, like another team? You are the type of fan I hate the most. Blindly follows an average leader that leads us to average seasons. So a fan can’t bring up legit concerns about the program? You are pathetic

Also all this talk about playing freshman....if we didn’t recruit like a mid major we might be in a better position when it comes to depth. I wonder Who recruits? Kirk, maybe? Nah prolly not in your eyes because you settle for mediocracy because you are a Kirk D rider

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Think about that for a second. It’s going to be 14 years since last time we won the big ten champions yet we pay Kirk the 11th most out of all coaches in the land. This decade has been below average minus the outlier of the 12 win season. Take that outlier out we are averaging 7 wins a game.

Kirk fans please give a reason how this mediocracy is accepted?

Since you don't accept it, what are you going to do about It?

A few things here:

- Do you expect to get everyone to agree with you with these idiotic juvenile posts making ridiculous graphic jokes mocking Ferentz and the fans who may still support him? Yeah that's some way to rally the troops right there. And what's even more indicative is that most of you making these comments aren't even in college anymore. You're 20, 30 and 40 something's (probably even unfortunately with kids too) calling people dick riders and blow jobbers on the internet for supporting a college football coach...............let that f***ing sink in.

- What if everyone did listen to you and suddenly they saw whatever kind of f***ed up light you were trying to shed on them? Do you even have a plan for that, or was your sole intention just to troll people because you're a momentarily angry and bitter adult mocking people for either not taking college football as seriously as you, or because you think it's an easy target to troll them? The truth is the pessimistic fans are a million times easier to troll because they let their emotions get the better of them much faster.

- Do you even want people to agree with you? HONEST QUESTION. And no I dont even give a f*** if you think they will or not. Yes or no, do you want them to agree with you?
Because people like you and MeetTheFerentz and all the other new usernames mocking Ferentz that keep popping up are going about it in the worst way possible.

Just take politics for example, yeah call somebody a left wing nut job loser or a right wing extremist goon. That'll surely convince them to appreciate your side of a political stance or better yet get them to agree with you.....

Ya know your section of the fanbase keeps saying this but in all honesty, you're the f***ing morons here, if you think the way you people post is gonna do anything but create more divide.

Deal with it.

 

[TooMuchDumb]

No.

I am not a KF apologist. I just think 2015 was every bit as impressive as 2002 and 2004. How champ was measured changed.

That's where you're wrong, you really can't/don't think. "In the magical 12-0 season," there was NO Ohio State, NO MSU, NO Michigan and NO Penn State on the schedule! In 2002, there where wins over 3 of those 4 including at AA and at Happy Valley. OSU was not on the schedule. Sorry....

 

[nitewing]

Think about that for a second. It’s going to be 14 years since last time we won the big ten champions yet we pay Kirk the 11th most out of all coaches in the land. This decade has been below average minus the outlier of the 12 win season. Take that outlier out we are averaging 7 wins a game.

Kirk fans please give a reason how this mediocracy is accepted?

crazier yet is that in 2015 Iowa went 8-0 in the BT 12-0 before the post season and then lose on a last minute TD in the BT Championship game after winning the BT West Division Title oh and lest we forget the 2009 season when Stanzi got Hurt after starting out 9-0 then finishing 11-2 after winning the BCS Orange Bowl by beating the ACC Champion, but hey why let facts get in the way of a lie in a attempt to trash the coaches.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

That's where you're wrong, you really can't/don't think. "In the magical 12-0 season," there was NO Ohio State, NO MSU, NO Michigan and NO Penn State on the schedule! In 2002, there where wins over 3 of those 4 including at AA and at Happy Valley. OSU was not on the schedule. Sorry....

Well then the 2015 season doesn't count. Strike it from the record books. Forget it ever happened.

Oh and one more thing................

 

[WhoaNellieCy]

Think about that for a second. It’s going to be 14 years since last time we won the big ten champions yet we pay Kirk the 11th most out of all coaches in the land. This decade has been below average minus the outlier of the 12 win season. Take that outlier out we are averaging 7 wins a game.

Kirk fans please give a reason how this mediocracy is accepted?

Ya, until you can recruit like PSU, OSU, MI, Etc on a consistent basis, it will be tough to win a title, and will always be at a competitive disadvantage.

2002-2004 was special, that was at the peak of Chris Doyle player development (Ex: Gallery from TE to OL) Since then, other teams have caught on and closed that competitive advantage that Iowa once had.

 

[TooMuchDumb]

Well then the 2015 season doesn't count. Strike it from the record books. Forget it ever happened.

Oh and one more thing................

You said that, Brainiac? I was merely refuting your fellow apologist's claim to a 2015 B1G championship and best season ever.

 

[TooMuchDumb]

Ya, until you can recruit like PSU, OSU, MI, Etc on a consistent basis, it will be tough to win a title, and will always be at a competitive disadvantage.

2002-2004 was special, that was at the peak of Chris Doyle player development (Ex: Gallery from TE to OL) Since then, other teams have caught on and closed that competitive advantage that Iowa once had.

Ummmm....Joe Philbin and Norm Parker.....

 

[RocknRollface]

Its to risky to get rid of him.

It would just be to hard to find someone to come in and get Iowa to 7 wins a year.

7 wins a year at Iowa gets you an eliet salary.

Its impossible to recruit wide recievers or have a real passing game here because of the states population. Now if ISU would just listen to all you experts and stop bringing in so many good recievers. Because its not possible.

You are suposed to execute into a stacked box and then punt. Thats football.

 

[nitewing]

does this mean the 2012 season where they went 4-8 doesn't count. taking out the 2012 and 2015 seasons and Iowa has avg'd 8.3 wps since 2002 and this season is not done yet. as they can still go 9-4 even with a loss to OSU.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

You said that, Brainiac? I was merely refuting your fellow apologist's claim to a 2015 B1G championship and best season ever.

A. sarcasm........I mean, come on.

B. He never said best season ever......you did.

 

[whoboppin]

Conference titles are hard to win with a championship game. Ohio St only has 1 since Nebraska joined the conference. Been to the playoff 2 times, but only have 1 conference title. There are no shared titles like the Big Ten.

If Iowa fans are counting 2015 as a title, I guess Nebraska can count 2010 as a conference title. It would have been a conference title in the Big Ten.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Its to risky to get rid of him.

It would just be to hard to find someone to come in and get Iowa to 7 wins a year.

7 wins a year at Iowa gets you an eliet salary.

Its impossible to recruit wide recievers or have a real passing game here because of the states population. Now if ISU would just listen to all you experts and stop bringing in so many good recievers. Because its not possible.

You are suposed to execute into a stacked box and then punt. Thats football.

Holy sh**, Rock, you're f***ing right. And do you know what we're (fans) going to do with that information?








Not a goddamn f***ing thing. Not one. Enjoy.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

It's factually true but just a bit mis-leading. 2015 should be considered a Big Ten championship as much as the pre-divisionalized 2002 and 2004 are.

No.

 

[nitewing]

You said that, Brainiac? I was merely refuting your fellow apologist's claim to a 2015 B1G championship and best season ever.

it was the best ever as that is the highest win total of all time. if there was a not a division that season Iowa would had their 3rd shared BT Championship under KF, there is no disputing that with a 8-0 BT record and Iowa did have these for opponents Wisconsin the 2014 BT West Division Title winners, Nebraska, also Iowa lost to these in 2014
ISU
Maryland
Minnesota 51-14
Wisconsin
Nebraska
then in 2015 beat those same teams for that 8-0 BT record and 12-2 record.

why is its when Iowa beats a team that beat them the previous season those same teams become the scum of college FB?

 

[TooMuchDumb]

it was the best ever as that is the highest win total of all time. if there was a not a division that season Iowa would had their 3rd shared BT Championship under KF, there is no disputing that with a 8-0 BT record and Iowa did have these for opponents Wisconsin the 2014 BT West Division Title winners, Nebraska, also Iowa lost to these in 2014
ISU
Maryland
Minnesota 51-14
Wisconsin
Nebraska
then in 2015 beat those same teams for that 8-0 BT record and 12-2 record.

why is its when Iowa beats a team that beat them the previous season those same teams become the scum of college FB?

I knew it was just a matter of time before Herpes showed up to set everything straight with his blabber!

 

[nitewing]

Conference titles are hard to win with a championship game. Ohio St only has 1 since Nebraska joined the conference. Been to the playoff 2 times, but only have 1 conference title. There are no shared titles like the Big Ten.

If Iowa fans are counting 2015 as a title, I guess Nebraska can count 2010 as a conference title. It would have been a conference title in the Big Ten.

NO because OSU went 8-0 vs Nebraska who finished 7-1 in BT play sorry corn head close but no cigar. 2012 was the year as in 2010 you were still in the B12. KEEP trying.

 

[RocknRollface]

Yeah its been a while. When was the last time Minnesota won a BTC, Purdue, Nebbie, Illinois, and NW? I mean its been a while for a lot of those teams. Hell what about Michigan, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland?

Two years ago we had a shot and were a 4th down stop away from getting a big ten title. So really its been a while, but we have been close since then, just haven't gotten over the hilll. 2009 we had a shot, but lost at OSU in OT. In 2015 we lost on a 4th down at the 1yd line.

If you don't like Kirk, then switch teams. I am going to back him no matter what. He is a great coach who is the dean of college coaches. He does it the right way and he develops his players. He graduates a majority of his players and you rarely hear a negative thing said about him from former players. I am mad about how our season is going, but I am not going to let the recent downfalls, blemish my way of thinking.

Lets face it, we lost 2 5th year starters at Tackle. We are playing FRESHMAN instead of Seniors. That will kill your Oline, no matter where you are at. Look at USC (same scenario, and to replace tackles w/freshman.) Their QB was the front runner in the heisman and they were #5 preseason. They are now struggling. Oline is important and Iowa's trying to figure it out. We have some youth there and frankly the Line isn't getting it done up front. I have a feeling that will change real quick.

This is also a transition year, we have new coordinators and young players getting into the action. There are bound to be mistakes made and I think this team like others will finish with a flurry of wins and get to a decent bowl game and springboard into next season.

Blind loyalty is a really stupid trait to have.

If I dont like Kirk I will still root for Iowa. Anyone who thinks they can tell people what to think is a ****ing idiot.

Iowa has had 2 really good seasons in the last 13 years. A couple other decent ones and the rest mediocre, underperfrming or bad.

Its not at all a stretch to think Iowa should be better. The results dont warrent the pay or the job security.

There were people who wanted to kling to Joe Paterno for ever too.

 

[nitewing]

I knew it was just a matter of time before Herpes showed up to set everything straight with his blabber!

telling the truth is now blabbering?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Conference titles are hard to win with a championship game. Ohio St only has 1 since Nebraska joined the conference. Been to the playoff 2 times, but only have 1 conference title. There are no shared titles like the Big Ten.

If Iowa fans are counting 2015 as a title, I guess Nebraska can count 2010 as a conference title. It would have been a conference title in the Big Ten.

Iowas was 1 play away from winning in 2015, but they didn't win. In 2009 we were an OT game away from winning the title.

The OP makes it sound like Iowa hasn't been close since 2004, when in reality we have had 2 chances since then. Yes 2 chances since 2004, but that's more than most programs in the Big Ten.

We have been close and soon enough we will get over the hump. KF runs a great program and does it the right way. Iowa will be back and we will be contending for BTC soon.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Blind loyalty is a really stupid trait to have.

If I dont like Kirk I will still root for Iowa. Anyone who thinks they can tell people what to think is a ****ing idiot.

Iowa has had 2 really good seasons in the last 13 years. A couple other decent ones and the rest mediocre, underperfrming or bad.

Its not at all a stretch to think Iowa should be better. The results dont warrent the pay or the job security.

There were people who wanted to kling to Joe Paterno for ever too.

My definition of a good season is 7-8 wins.
My definition of "elite" season is 10-12 wins.

We have had good seasons and elite seasons since 2004. Iowa is a development program and will never string together 4-5 years stretches of 10+ wins. Its just not how its done here and sorry but we are not a "top tier" program as OSU, Bama, MICH, PSU, and others. Those teams don't replace, they reload. Iowa on the other hand has to replace and then develop talent.

 

[RocknRollface]

Holy sh**, Rock, you're f***ing right. And do you know what we're (fans) going to do with that information?








Not a goddamn f***ing thing. Not one. Enjoy.

Enjoy what, what are you attempting to say? That this is a message board, and basically meaningless?

Well no shit.

You do realize the irony of you posting to tell me my post is meaningless right?

 

[nitewing]

Blind loyalty is a really stupid trait to have.

If I dont like Kirk I will still root for Iowa. Anyone who thinks they can tell people what to think is a ****ing idiot.

Iowa has had 2 really good seasons in the last 13 years. A couple other decent ones and the rest mediocre, underperfrming or bad.

Its not at all a stretch to think Iowa should be better. The results dont warrent the pay or the job security.

There were people who wanted to kling to Joe Paterno for ever too.

you are worse than Nebraska fans. thinking anything less than 10 wins underperforming, since when did Iowa reach the level of Alabama, OSU, as I have been a Hawk fan since the final years of Evy and lived thru the 60's and 70's when winning 3 games in a season was considered a great season and now they are a Elite team where 10 wins seasons or less is considered failing?

give me a F******g break, Iowa is a wrong hire from going back to the 60's and 70's, all you have to do is look at Nebraska to know how that worked out after firing Pelini who never failed to win 9 games.