Unfortunately this is pretty spot on.......yikes
2013 Class Attrition Getting Out Of Hand?
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The new two deeps confirm my concerns with the serious attrition in the 2013 class. The true freshmen that have been thrust into the lineup are a part of last year's 42nd ranked recruiting class in the country. It's not like they are 5 star guys who would be expected to see the field right away. They are guys that, without major attrition from the guys who should be juniors and seniors, would be redshirting this year and seeing playing time later down the road.
There is still plenty of upperclassmen talent on this roster to be an awesome team, but in a "developmental program" that has not had any top 25 recruiting classes in a decade, you should not see so many freshmen in the two deeps unless there are major holes to fill.
There is still plenty of upperclassmen talent on this roster to be an awesome team, but in a "developmental program" that has not had any top 25 recruiting classes in a decade, you should not see so many freshmen in the two deeps unless there are major holes to fill.
The fact that there are 8 freshmen in the 2 deeps is more of a testament to their talent than it is a lack of depth.
- Stanley is listed as a co/#2 with RS Soph Weigers and jumped RS Frosh Cook.
- Young is listed as the 5th/6th receiver.
- Lattimore is the 4th DT. This is probably the thinnest position but he came in as one of the more talented guys of the class.
- Jones has practiced so well that he thrust himself into the 2 deeps with Mends who has been impressive in his own right as a Soph.
- Welch is probably the 7th LB.
- Hooker has put himself as a co/#2 with RS Senior Gair who has played well when called upon in the past.
- Rugamba has put himself in the CB mix as probably the 5th CB behind a healthy Jackson.
- Duncan is a very good kicker.
Shimonek is the backup QB at Texas Tech, I don't think Iowa ran the right system for him.
I didn't take the time to read all the posts but I'd imagine several have said there is good attrition and bad attrition. There are a couple what could have beens but for the most part athletes that left have had their scholarships filled with other players that have potential.
Shimonek probably left because Ruduck & CJB were in front of him and he only saw an opportunity to play his senior year unless CJB got hurt.
Somebody better call Saban, he is projected to play at his average this year of 10 true freshman. Granted they are in that high 3-4-5 star level but they are following high 3-4-5 star players so there must be an issue there, Iowa law to the rescue.
There it is, showing your true colors, ketchup and mustard.
Iowa and Alabama is pretty much Apples and Oranges when it comes to incoming freshman.
When Alabama has freshmen playing, it's because there are holes in their roster because a bunch of guys left early for the NFL and because the freshmen are 5 star kids who are good enough to be on the two deeps at any school in the country. The true freshmen in the two deeps at Iowa are guys like WR Devonte Young, a 2 star kid fresh out of hs with very few offers, or Hooker, whose next best offer 6 months ago coming out of high school was UNI.
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The freshmen are doing great for their age and pedigree, but they would not and should not be on a championship caliber team's 2 deeps as true freshmen...and wouldn't be if we hadn't had serious attrition issues in the 2013 class. If Willies or Anjeus Jones, or Andre Harris were still at Iowa, Young would certainly be redshirting and developing. If Reggie Spearman were still at Iowa, Brady Rieff or Lattimore would be redshirting. If John Kenny was still LB here, Amani Jones would be redshirting. The same can be said for why we have Stanly as backup QB. We had a QB leave, and then recruited two non QBs to try to play QB ahead of him in Boyle and Cook.
Whatsup - you are wrong:
The freshmen are doing great for their age and pedigree, but they would not and should not be on a championship caliber team's 2 deeps as true freshmen...and wouldn't be if we hadn't had serious attrition issues in the 2013 class. If Willies or Anjeus Jones, or Andre Harris were still at Iowa, Young would certainly be redshirting and developing. If Reggie Spearman were still at Iowa, Brady Rieff or Lattimore would be redshirting. If John Kenny was still LB here, Amani Jones would be redshirting. The same can be said for why we have Stanly as backup QB. We had a QB leave, and then recruited two non QBs to try to play QB ahead of him in Boyle and Cook.
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Which of the guys that left from that class would be playing? I can't think of any. The only true freshman I see on the list that i worry about playing is Lattimore just because the interior is tough to play for a true freshman. But I don't think he will play much right away because Ekakatie will be the main sub on the inside.
Building depth for the future. Still lots a talent coming back next year. Schedule is pretty brutal though. Next year should have more freshmen playing than this year.
Iowa is about to string together a big run.
Iowa is about to string together a big run.
Devonte Young is the 6th WR and Hooker is the 4th Safety. There will have to be major injuries for them to be significant contributors.
Weigers was a 4 star QB recruit and is progressing well. If Stanley has pulled even with him that says more about Stanley's play in fall camp than it does QB attrition.
The only defections from the 2013 class that hurt is Willies, who is one of 8 WRs listed in TT's 2 deeps. He would have been a nice addition to the WR corps. I also think that Spearman could have been very good at DE if he would have bulked up and switched positions.
The loss of Derrick Willes is on KF, not Willes. He was treated like dirt from day one.
Yeah. I heard that the coaching staff get together prior to fall camp and pick out the one player they want to make sure is miserable.
Get a clue. The player in question thought he could get by with doing things that were not acceptable to the team. Nothing more to that story.
Yeah because the player thought he should be playing more as freshman and instead of sticking it out he quits on his team mid year. 3.5 years left but since he felt first 6-7 games didn't see the field he quits like a little girl. Then given a chance even after he quits to rejoin under certain circumstances and he decides to go juco. Please be specific how willies was "treated like dirt" if anything he treated his teammates like dirt by quitting on them mid season.
After KF gave Willies multiple opportunities to rejoin the team? DW got more playing time as a true Frosh at Iowa than anyone not named Dominique Douglas.
Only willies would be seeing first team snaps of players who've left. At LB Kenny could see the field but at that position with depth Iowa is set well but spearman no loss at all who got the boot from Illinois St. Really of all the players none have done much since leaving.
As for red shirting Brady Reiff already red shirted. Lattimore is a DT not DE or LB like spearman is so you are wrong there as you are so often. Injuries and at DT and talent is why Lattimore is playing. With jones or any other player sometime KF likes to burn RS to get them some experience and play special teams. Finally with Stanley only way he doesn't RS is if he beats out Wiegers so odds are Shimonek wouldn't be our backup anyone. Guy ended up walking on at Texas Tech that's how sought after he was when he left.
I guess we are going to find out once the games are played....in an ideal world I am sure coaches would like to RS players, but at the same time may the best play. Have you ever considered that maybe the coaching staff did an excellent or improved job at identifying and recruiting more talented players. You do realize the 2013 class was the class after a 4-8 season (which has been pointed out to you many times) and this incoming class is coming off of a 12-2 season which is also including the state of the art football facility.....generally great recruits tend to sign with teams following a good-great season. BTW Willies quit and has yet to do anything news worthy outside of a Spring game, Spearman got kicked off the team at ISU, Anejus Jones landed at the power house Stephen F Austin, Andre Harris...really Andre Harris.....just stop dude...its pathetic
Exactly right. Most of the big-time college programs have already "weeded" out the kids that just won't contribute. Maybe not right but it's just the current state of CF.
20 juniors have left since 2009, not sure on the math there but less than the attrition level that you are looking at for Iowa, couple that with their 'medical redshirt' program they are having true freshman playing ahead of upperclassmen. It happens. As far as Alabama and Iowa being apples and oranges I may need to disagree, it is either apples or oranges for both, it's just the quality of the fruit. At Iowa it is 2 and 3 star players replacing 2 and 3 star players, Alabama it is 4 and 5 stars replacing 4 and 5 stars. Same fruit, different quality. It is the nature of the game. If Iowa had seen their transfers leaving and being successful at other power 5 schools it would be different. Sometimes players leaving is addition by subtraction.
Hell I guess I'm just wearing rose colored glasses, I like the blend of veterans and youth, I actually think it's a positive that we may have some youngsters that have a shot to contribute, I believe the program is rising, not falling apart.
The only one I wish we still had on the team is Willies, hands down. They are very high on Willies at Texas Tech as it looks like Willies will be starting for them at the X. I believe Willies will be playing on Sundays. The kid is an amazing athlete.
In case anyone was interested (probably not), Nic Shimonek is QB2 for Texas Tech. To Nic's credit, he is behind a one of the better QB's in the country, much like he would have been at Iowa. The only difference is that Patrick Mahomes is a Junior. Unless Mahomes leaves after this year, Shimonek will not be playing much at Texas Tech.
In case anyone was interested (probably not), Nic Shimonek is QB2 for Texas Tech. To Nic's credit, he is behind a one of the better QB's in the country, much like he would have been at Iowa. The only difference is that Patrick Mahomes is a Junior. Unless Mahomes leaves after this year, Shimonek will not be playing much at Texas Tech.
The thing about attrition is that most of you assume there will be an upgrade in talent. In some cases there very well may be. It certainly isn't a given though. And if you think that attrition doesn't affect an Iowa more than an Alabama, well, you are naive. The fact is that attrition is not a good thing for Iowa.
AND I LOLed when I read that 8-10 true freshman in the 2 deep is a testament to their talent. It may be, but that is not a good thing. Again, we're not talking about Alabama here. I don't mean to rain on ya'lls parade but sometimes I just have to.
AND I LOLed when I read that 8-10 true freshman in the 2 deep is a testament to their talent. It may be, but that is not a good thing. Again, we're not talking about Alabama here. I don't mean to rain on ya'lls parade but sometimes I just have to.
Who cares? UI went 12-2 in 2015. Absolutely no need for the players that left in 2013. They've already been recruited over. Great job by the staff to improve their roster. What else bothers you about UI football? You must really dislike basketball.
Can Hawkinne be as ignorant and short sighted as he sounds? I'll bet my next pay check he's not an Iowa grad. "Who cares" that over 60% of the 2013 class is gone because we had a good year in 2015, when they would have been redshirt sophs? lol Brilliant point. News flash, in developmental programs, guys from the 2013 class are not expected to contribute until 2016 and 2017. Anything before that is icing on the cake.
I graduated from UI in 1986. Please explain to me how the attrition in 2013 is going to hurt this upcoming season. Red shirt sophomores don't play at UI? Which players and how many of those departed players would play this year? Maybe one possibly two. It really shackled them in 2015. Look and see how those players have performed since they left. Send me your email and I will give you my name and address to send me the the pay check.
Again what does being a UI grad have to do with anything? There's a lot of non-alums who have more time and money invested into the program than many alums.
Also, good players are expected to contribute before their 3rd or 4th year even in developmental programs. You may want to read through the posts again as many have pointed out the contributions from the 2013 class.
And you owe Hawkinne your next paycheck.
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Are you implying that iowalaw doesn't have a clue on this? If so you are spot on. Make sure he delivers on his paycheck bet. I am guessing he isn't a man of his word on this bet.
I agree that I don't think it's a huge deal however can't blame OP for bringing it up.. If iowa was 6-6 last year this thread would look a lot different!! Winning is everything
This. Shimonek? LOL. Warfield wasn't even a receiver and he spent two years and wasn't any closer to cracking the two deeps at DB than when he got here. If you want to say Willies fine. Talent and no character. OP is pathetic with these asinine troll attempts which are almost always a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. LOL at the idea that losing these guys is somehow significant and detrimental.
Great teammates don't quit on their team. Period. He was given a chance to work his way back and he chose not to follow the simple guidelines to work his way back. Poor baby. We should have just hugged him and coddled him. Made him special and set him apart from all the other guys on the team. LOL.
You know why he had fallen behind because he didn't listen. He constantly blew assignments in practice and he didn't practice hard. Your by all accounts doesn't square with what the truth is. KF doesn't put you behind folks if you're doing what they ask. It's not arbritary. You still have to block, know your reads and play hard and earn it. They gave him a second chance only because they were sympathetic to his family situation and no doubt recognizing his potential talebt. And he blew that.
I get what you're doing here in your neverending quest to stir everybody up. Either that or you're just irretrievably dense with a poor grasp of facts. I'm fairly sure it's the former, although you keep making a strong case for the latter.
Your argument is moot and not relevant to what's happening now. None of these guys were difference makers. Hell, none of them could even crack the two-deeps. Willies could have been, but HE chose not to be. It's weak sauce, which seems to be BAU for you.
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Iowalaw is just doing his lawyerly duty and trying to push the angle he thinks will generate the most discussion in his threads, which is that the program is falling apart, or certainly could......if "this", "this", "this", and "this" happen.......
Jesus. Reggie Spearman couldn't cut it at Illinois State. Explain again how he could make a difference for us. John Kenny? LOL. I'll take Amani Jones now. Dude, it's weak, especially the red shirt argument. I hope you are planning on contract law because your arguments really suck.
I'll readdress this again after the *Edit.
I've stated that Willies would probably be the only guy gone that could help the team. I'll give you that one. Even with that, Young is the 6th WR. Iowa hasn't had 3 WR spots in their 2 deeps in the past.
Spearman played LB. I have no idea how he would affect Rieff's spot and really don't understand how he would affect Lattimore's spot. PS Lattimore has put on 30 pounds since he committed and is a completely different player. Spearman wouldn't be in the 2 deeps at LB. He left because guys like Jewell, Neimann and Bower passed him up.
Kenny left because he couldn't crack the 2 deeps at LB for 3 years. He was a Fullback when he transferred.
Stanley may or may not be the 2nd or 3rd QB. If he is the backup he will have beat out a former 4 star that has had roughly 200 more practices than Stanley. Shimonek had his chance to beat out Weigers and couldn't do it.
If 8-10 guys from a class contribute, that is all Iowa needs to be successful.
