2013 Class Attrition Getting Out Of Hand?

[iowalaw]

Downtown hawk is routinely one of the biggest homers/never question the coaches or else you are a "cyclone fan" people on this board, and it's comical.

"Reggie Spearman couldn't cut it at Illinois State?" Well, he was a starter at Iowa at weakside linebacker as a 17 yr old true freshmen in 2014...somehow I have a feeling he would still manage to be in the two deeps 2 years later. LOL! But you are right, you would much rather have a true freshmen who picked us over Bowling Green coming in than Reggie Spearman as a junior with 3 years in the system. Attrition doesn't hurt at all.

John Kenny sucked too? Well, he's on the 2 deeps at strongside LB at the U of Arizona. A guy like that couldn't possibly add depth at LB or special teams. We are better off playing true freshmen?

Then you try to argue that Willies wasn't good enough to play for Iowa either, and Kirk was justified in refusing to play him ahead of the likes of walkon Andrew Stone, Jake Hillyer. CJ certainly disagreed with you when Willies announced he was leaving the team due to unfair favortism.

KF's decision making on playing time is "always" fair and "never" arbitrary (yet out of the other side of your mouth you tout CJ as an All American...while you quickly forget that CJ almost transferred last year because he believed he was unfairly riding the bench in favor of an inferior player). Somehow, Willies current team doesn't think he "constantly blows assignments" and "doesnt practice hard," as he's projected to be an all conference WR this year...while the hawks have just one WR on the entire roster with more than 10 catches. We are much better off sticking a 2 star true freshmen WR in the two deeps rather than Willies with 3 years in the system. Great point.

I love the black and gold colored glasses, but it makes for a pretty juvenile, short sighted argument with absolutely no credibility. Kirk Ferentz and every rational plan on this board would choose to have very low attrition rather than being forced to play 10 true freshmen from the 11th rated recruiting class in the Big 10. None of those true freshman was considered a blue chipper coming out of HS. The facts are clear, due to pretty major attrition out of the 2013 class, there are a ton of holes to fill that are being plugged with walk ons and freshmen. It doesn't mean those guys aren't any good, but it IS a problem worth acknowledging so that it doesnt continue to happen.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Let's see how many years each guy on the depth chart has been at Iowa:
SE - 3, 2
LT - 5, 2
LG - 4, 3
C - 2, 3/5
RG - 4, 3
RT - 4, 2
TE - 5, 4
WR - 4, 3
WR - 5, 1
QB - 5, 3/1
FB - 4/2, 3
RB - 4, 4

DE - 2/3, 3
DT - 5, 1
DT - 4, 5
DE - 3, 2
OLB - 3, 4/1
MLB - 4, 2
WLB - 4, 3/1
CB - 5, 2
CB - 4, 3/1
SS - 3, 5/1
FS - 3, 3

Depth Chart Totals
5th Year - 9
4th Year - 13
3rd Year - 15
2nd Year - 9
1st Year - 7

Starters
5th Year - 6
4th Year - 10
3rd Year - 6
2nd Year - 2
1st Year - 0

Iowa doesn't have an attrition problem. Upperclassmen make up the vast majority of the depth chart and nearly all of the starters. Just the way it should be.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Downtown hawk is routinely one of the biggest homers/never question the coaches or else you are a "cyclone fan" people on this board, and it's comical.

"Reggie Spearman couldn't cut it at Illinois State?" Well, he was a starter at Iowa at weakside linebacker as a 17 yr old true freshmen in 2014...somehow I have a feeling he would still manage to be in the two deeps 2 years later. LOL! But you are right, you would much rather have a true freshmen who picked us over Bowling Green coming in than Reggie Spearman as a junior with 3 years in the system. Attrition doesn't hurt at all.

John Kenny sucked too? Well, he's on the 2 deeps at strongside LB at the U of Arizona. A guy like that couldn't possibly add depth at LB or special teams. We are better off playing true freshmen?

Then you try to argue that Willies wasn't good enough to play for Iowa either, and Kirk was justified in refusing to play him ahead of the likes of walkon Andrew Stone, Jake Hillyer. CJ certainly disagreed with you when Willies announced he was leaving the team due to unfair favortism.

KF's decision making on playing time is "always" fair and "never" arbitrary (yet out of the other side of your mouth you tout CJ as an All American...while you quickly forget that CJ almost transferred last year because he believed he was unfairly riding the bench in favor of an inferior player). Somehow, Willies current team doesn't think he "constantly blows assignments" and "doesnt practice hard," as he's projected to be an all conference WR this year...while the hawks have just one WR on the entire roster with more than 10 catches. We are much better off sticking a 2 star true freshmen WR in the two deeps rather than Willies with 3 years in the system. Great point.

I love the black and gold colored glasses, but it makes for a pretty juvenile, short sighted argument with absolutely no credibility. Kirk Ferentz and every rational plan on this board would choose to have very low attrition rather than being forced to play 10 true freshmen from the 11th rated recruiting class in the Big 10. None of those true freshman was considered a blue chipper coming out of HS. The facts are clear, due to pretty major attrition out of the 2013 class, there are a ton of holes to fill that are being plugged with walk ons and freshmen. It doesn't mean those guys aren't any good, but it IS a problem worth acknowledging so that it doesnt continue to happen.

Spearman was a very talented young man but had some major issues with work ethic, accountability, and things out of the football field. I actually heard directly from coach Reid's mouth his concerns from Spearman and his issues, which were obviously true when he gets kicked off a DII school.
Willies also talented, however; has yet to do anything noteworthy in a meaningful D1 game....so the jury is still out. None the less, he still quit in the middle of the season which is just beyond me that anybody could rationalize that in any way as being acceptable....if he were to have done it after the season then I would understand.
CJB was not the same CJB his sophomore and Freshman year, you know players do develop and if you ever listen to his interviews he says that often. Actually was just talking about how far ahead Stanley is than he was at that point. Also, I think coach davis might have a bit of a say in which QB plays, also kuddos to him for developing CJB, and obviously great job at recognizing underrated talent by the staff to get Stanley. Lets not forget that JR was not the worst QB in the world either....looks to me that he might be making an NFL squad and did get drafted while putting up some pretty good numbers at Iowa and Michigan. If JR takes a snap in an NFL game he would be the first Iowa player since Dan Mcguire to do so and I am pretty sure CJB will get drafted too and have that opportunity. If that is the case shouldn't we be impressed the coaching staff had to NFL QB's on the same roster battling it out. Shouldn't all of the thinks JR was able to accomplish and continues to accomplish confirm that "hey, we actually did have 2 legit QB's"? But no you go on and on about this and that and complain about this and that.....all while we are coming off of a terrific (school record season) without these "attrition from 2013 class" players....the same 2013 class coming off of a 4-8 season. YOU ARE ANNOYING ASS SHIT
I think KF and staff have done a great job with their revamped recruiting strategy and also running out players that are not on board with what they are trying to do, which is win some ball games. Any good coach will hold EVERY PLAYER accountable no matter the talent level, example would be Willies and Spearman. It also appears that it was pretty successful last year being that we won a SCHOOL RECORD 12 games last year and are preseason #17 this year. if we played like shit last year and it was doom and gloom again this year I think we would all understand where you are coming from, however; WTF are you even talking about?!?!?!

 

[GoHawks2009]

Downtown hawk is routinely one of the biggest homers/never question the coaches or else you are a "cyclone fan" people on this board, and it's comical.

"Reggie Spearman couldn't cut it at Illinois State?" Well, he was a starter at Iowa at weakside linebacker as a 17 yr old true freshmen in 2014...somehow I have a feeling he would still manage to be in the two deeps 2 years later. LOL! But you are right, you would much rather have a true freshmen who picked us over Bowling Green coming in than Reggie Spearman as a junior with 3 years in the system. Attrition doesn't hurt at all.

John Kenny sucked too? Well, he's on the 2 deeps at strongside LB at the U of Arizona. A guy like that couldn't possibly add depth at LB or special teams. We are better off playing true freshmen?

Then you try to argue that Willies wasn't good enough to play for Iowa either, and Kirk was justified in refusing to play him ahead of the likes of walkon Andrew Stone, Jake Hillyer. CJ certainly disagreed with you when Willies announced he was leaving the team due to unfair favortism.

KF's decision making on playing time is "always" fair and "never" arbitrary (yet out of the other side of your mouth you tout CJ as an All American...while you quickly forget that CJ almost transferred last year because he believed he was unfairly riding the bench in favor of an inferior player). Somehow, Willies current team doesn't think he "constantly blows assignments" and "doesnt practice hard," as he's projected to be an all conference WR this year...while the hawks have just one WR on the entire roster with more than 10 catches. We are much better off sticking a 2 star true freshmen WR in the two deeps rather than Willies with 3 years in the system. Great point.

I love the black and gold colored glasses, but it makes for a pretty juvenile, short sighted argument with absolutely no credibility. Kirk Ferentz and every rational plan on this board would choose to have very low attrition rather than being forced to play 10 true freshmen from the 11th rated recruiting class in the Big 10. None of those true freshman was considered a blue chipper coming out of HS. The facts are clear, due to pretty major attrition out of the 2013 class, there are a ton of holes to fill that are being plugged with walk ons and freshmen. It doesn't mean those guys aren't any good, but it IS a problem worth acknowledging so that it doesnt continue to happen.

Well thanks for bringing it up on here. We'll take it all into consideration, and we'll have an internal discussion and our people will call you once we figure out what to do.

Appreciate the help and please feel free to let us know if there's anything else we on this board need to look into.

 

[GoHawks2009]

Let's see how many years each guy on the depth chart has been at Iowa:
SE - 3, 2
LT - 5, 2
LG - 4, 3
C - 2, 3/5
RG - 4, 3
RT - 4, 2
TE - 5, 4
WR - 4, 3
WR - 5, 1
QB - 5, 3/1
FB - 4/2, 3
RB - 4, 4

DE - 2/3, 3
DT - 5, 1
DT - 4, 5
DE - 3, 2
OLB - 3, 4/1
MLB - 4, 2
WLB - 4, 3/1
CB - 5, 2
CB - 4, 3/1
SS - 3, 5/1
FS - 3, 3

Depth Chart Totals
5th Year - 9
4th Year - 13
3rd Year - 15
2nd Year - 9
1st Year - 7

Starters
5th Year - 6
4th Year - 10
3rd Year - 6
2nd Year - 2
1st Year - 0

Iowa doesn't have an attrition problem. Upperclassmen make up the vast majority of the depth chart and nearly all of the starters. Just the way it should be.

You can't spell knowledge without an 'o' 'w' 'n' 'e' and 'd'........

 

[1inamillion]

Guys, I get that we had a nice season last year, but is there not room or improvement? Take off the blinders, we are coming off a 2 game losing streak with the last game being an absolute blowout. It's comical how much animosity there is when someone exposes even the smallest of imperfections in a system that can be and needs to be improved. If you question anything about the program = ENEMY! lol

The 2013 class were just redshirt SOPHOMORS last year and weren't expected to contribute much to our 12-2 run. Their losses are not going to be felt until this year and next year. Developmental program, remember?

In 2017, when we have like 5 seniors on the team, you may want to revisit this thread. I'm sure the coaches are worried about the same thing.

Doubtfull

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Guys, I get that we had a nice season last year, but is there not room or improvement? Take off the blinders, we are coming off a 2 game losing streak with the last game being an absolute blowout. It's comical how much animosity there is when someone exposes even the smallest of imperfections in a system that can be and needs to be improved. If you question anything about the program = ENEMY! lol

The 2013 class were just redshirt SOPHOMORS last year and weren't expected to contribute much to our 12-2 run. Their losses are not going to be felt until this year and next year. Developmental program, remember?

In 2017, when we have like 5 seniors on the team, you may want to revisit this thread. I'm sure the coaches are worried about the same thing.

You may want to revisit your math my friend. I am counting 19 Juniors and 15 of which are on 2 deeps or will be playing if healthy. Don't believe me, here is a list of Juniors this year and they are pretty damn good ones too
1) Miles Taylor SS
2) Wadley RB
3) Mitchell RB
4) Bower LB
5) Jewell LB
6) Nieman LB
7) Kulick FB
8) Meyers OL
9) Boettger OL
10) Welsh OL
11) Wisnieski TE
12) Pekar TE
13) Hullett DT
14) Kluver LS
15) Bazata DT

As you can see we will have 3 Senior OL and all starting LB's will be seniors.......with experience at arguably the most important positions....not sure the coaches are as worried as your salty a$$

 

[David1979]

If you try and argue that it would be good to still have Reggie Spearman and John Kenny, then sorry you don't know what you are talking about. The only reason Spearman started in the first place was because of Jewell's injury. By the time Jewell was fully healthy he overtook him. He was S L O W. No way he would have stuck at LB. Neither of them would be in the two deep at LB.

Willies sucked to lose but that was his problem and you don't want guys in the locker room that feel entitled to something they haven't earned. And I am sure if Willies stuck around here he would not be blowing assignments two years later at Iowa. But that is assuming he isn't blowing assignments at Tech. He could be the 4th best receiver on the team for all we know right now. And he wasn't a good locker room kid. He felt entitled to something he hadn't earned and that isn't the kind of kid you want in the locker room.

 

[David1979]

Downtown hawk is routinely one of the biggest homers/never question the coaches or else you are a "cyclone fan" people on this board, and it's comical.

"Reggie Spearman couldn't cut it at Illinois State?" Well, he was a starter at Iowa at weakside linebacker as a 17 yr old true freshmen in 2014...somehow I have a feeling he would still manage to be in the two deeps 2 years later. LOL! But you are right, you would much rather have a true freshmen who picked us over Bowling Green coming in than Reggie Spearman as a junior with 3 years in the system. Attrition doesn't hurt at all.

John Kenny sucked too? Well, he's on the 2 deeps at strongside LB at the U of Arizona. A guy like that couldn't possibly add depth at LB or special teams. We are better off playing true freshmen?

Then you try to argue that Willies wasn't good enough to play for Iowa either, and Kirk was justified in refusing to play him ahead of the likes of walkon Andrew Stone, Jake Hillyer. CJ certainly disagreed with you when Willies announced he was leaving the team due to unfair favortism.

KF's decision making on playing time is "always" fair and "never" arbitrary (yet out of the other side of your mouth you tout CJ as an All American...while you quickly forget that CJ almost transferred last year because he believed he was unfairly riding the bench in favor of an inferior player). Somehow, Willies current team doesn't think he "constantly blows assignments" and "doesnt practice hard," as he's projected to be an all conference WR this year...while the hawks have just one WR on the entire roster with more than 10 catches. We are much better off sticking a 2 star true freshmen WR in the two deeps rather than Willies with 3 years in the system. Great point.

I love the black and gold colored glasses, but it makes for a pretty juvenile, short sighted argument with absolutely no credibility. Kirk Ferentz and every rational plan on this board would choose to have very low attrition rather than being forced to play 10 true freshmen from the 11th rated recruiting class in the Big 10. None of those true freshman was considered a blue chipper coming out of HS. The facts are clear, due to pretty major attrition out of the 2013 class, there are a ton of holes to fill that are being plugged with walk ons and freshmen. It doesn't mean those guys aren't any good, but it IS a problem worth acknowledging so that it doesnt continue to happen.

Ummmm......no.

 

[DrVenkman]

Bottom line is Iowa should have recruited better.

 

[iowalaw]

Milehigh - my friend, you make it too easy for smart guys like me to reject your points back into your face like Acie Earl rejected layups. It's probably best for you to spar with the homer lightweights on this board about what to grill on gameday or uniforms.

You list 15 juniors on the two deeps to argue that attrition in the jr class is not a problem and that we did not really have holes to fill as a result of it. Do you get that your list actually proves my point even further? More than HALF of the guys are walkons and another (Mitchell) is not in the two deeps.

Bower, Kulick, Meyers Boettger, Pekar, Hullett, Snyder, and Kluver are all walkons; fallback kids. Walkons are on the team in part to fill holes that were opened up by recruiting misses/transfers of the guys that Ferentz actually wanted on the team. Walkons and non-blue chip freshmen making it in the two deeps is usually a testament to my attrition point. When you have 85 scholarships at your disposal and bring in more than 20 kids in each recruiting class, the number of junior walkons you unwittingly bring up should be alarming...though I admit a lot of these walkons turned out pretty damn good...Ferentz is still lucky they are Iowa boys who chose Iowa when Iowa did not choose them.

You may want to revisit your math my friend. I am counting 19 Juniors and 15 of which are on 2 deeps or will be playing if healthy. Don't believe me, here is a list of Juniors this year and they are pretty damn good ones too
1) Miles Taylor SS
2) Wadley RB
3) Mitchell RB
4) Bower LB
5) Jewell LB
6) Nieman LB
7) Kulick FB
8) Meyers OL
9) Boettger OL
10) Welsh OL
11) Wisnieski TE
12) Pekar TE
13) Hullett DT
14) Kluver LS
15) Bazata DT

As you can see we will have 3 Senior OL and all starting LB's will be seniors.......with experience at arguably the most important positions....not sure the coaches are as worried as your salty a$$

 

[anon_8rcdnbko1jbe0]

Milehigh - my friend, you make it too easy for smart guys like me to reject your points back into your face like Acie Earl rejected layups. It's probably best for you to spar with the homer lightweights on this board about what to grill on gameday or uniforms.

You list 15 juniors on the two deeps to argue that attrition in the jr class is not a problem and that we did not really have holes to fill as a result of it. Do you get that your list actually proves my point even further? More than HALF of the guys are walkons and another (Mitchell) is not in the two deeps.

Bower, Kulick, Meyers Boettger, Pekar, Hullett, Snyder, and Kluver are all walkons; fallback kids. Walkons are on the team in part to fill holes that were opened up by recruiting misses/transfers of the guys that Ferentz actually wanted on the team. Walkons and non-blue chip freshmen making it in the two deeps is usually a testament to my attrition point. When you have 85 scholarships at your disposal and bring in more than 20 kids in each recruiting class, the number of junior walkons you unwittingly bring up should be alarming...though I admit a lot of these walkons turned out pretty damn good...Ferentz is still lucky they are Iowa boys who chose Iowa when Iowa did not choose them.

I realize that you are a troll. But even as such you are one of the dumbest, blatantly misleading posters on this board. Your information about who is a walk-on from that class is of course incorrect. I really should stop reading your posts as nothing is ever learned from them. It is extremely unfortunate that you degrade this quality message board with your garbage and stupidity. By the way - attached is the Gazette article on Ike. Short Stroke - which I'm sure you're used to in other forms - it explains why Ike is a scholarship player and was from the beginning.
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/no-8-x2014-ot-ike-boettger-20150822

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

Milehigh - my friend, you make it too easy for smart guys like me to reject your points back into your face like Acie Earl rejected layups. It's probably best for you to spar with the homer lightweights on this board about what to grill on gameday or uniforms.

You list 15 juniors on the two deeps to argue that attrition in the jr class is not a problem and that we did not really have holes to fill as a result of it. Do you get that your list actually proves my point even further? More than HALF of the guys are walkons and another (Mitchell) is not in the two deeps.

Bower, Kulick, Meyers Boettger, Pekar, Hullett, Snyder, and Kluver are all walkons; fallback kids. Walkons are on the team in part to fill holes that were opened up by recruiting misses/transfers of the guys that Ferentz actually wanted on the team. Walkons and non-blue chip freshmen making it in the two deeps is usually a testament to my attrition point. When you have 85 scholarships at your disposal and bring in more than 20 kids in each recruiting class, the number of junior walkons you unwittingly bring up should be alarming...though I admit a lot of these walkons turned out pretty damn good...Ferentz is still lucky they are Iowa boys who chose Iowa when Iowa did not choose them.

Of my list I am counting 6 (Boettger was not walk on) and some are now on scholarship and are pretty darn good football players, Ill take Snyder and Bower any day of the week and also boone meyer will get drafted, then add in our long snapper who is walk on, which is very common. 6 of 15 is 1/3 and not more than once again fuzzy math (ironic "smart guys like me" quote)
I do not think the 2013 class attrition is a problem at all, I am actually thrilled some left to leave room for this 2017 class and beyond. I wish the kids the best, but you have still not listed one player from 2013 that would have played and/or did not have some issues off field or quit midseason.
I like how you admit a lot of the walkons turned out pretty damn good, so my question is what exactly is so alarming? I mean honestly, I really want to know because I for one was thrilled about last year and am super excited about this upcoming season and even more excited about the 2017 class that is potentially coming in

 

[David1979]

Milehigh - my friend, you make it too easy for smart guys like me to reject your points back into your face like Acie Earl rejected layups. It's probably best for you to spar with the homer lightweights on this board about what to grill on gameday or uniforms.

You list 15 juniors on the two deeps to argue that attrition in the jr class is not a problem and that we did not really have holes to fill as a result of it. Do you get that your list actually proves my point even further? More than HALF of the guys are walkons and another (Mitchell) is not in the two deeps.

Bower, Kulick, Meyers Boettger, Pekar, Hullett, Snyder, and Kluver are all walkons; fallback kids. Walkons are on the team in part to fill holes that were opened up by recruiting misses/transfers of the guys that Ferentz actually wanted on the team. Walkons and non-blue chip freshmen making it in the two deeps is usually a testament to my attrition point. When you have 85 scholarships at your disposal and bring in more than 20 kids in each recruiting class, the number of junior walkons you unwittingly bring up should be alarming...though I admit a lot of these walkons turned out pretty damn good...Ferentz is still lucky they are Iowa boys who chose Iowa when Iowa did not choose them.

Cue up the stupid. Boettger was a scholarship player from the beginning. The walk ons that earned scholarships did so because they beat out guys who had scholarships. So that doesn't help your point. and long snappers and fullbacks are usually all walk-ons and none of the guys you mentioned would be filling either of those spots. So again. You are wrong.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Milehigh - my friend, you make it too easy for smart guys like me to reject your points back into your face like Acie Earl rejected layups. It's probably best for you to spar with the homer lightweights on this board about what to grill on gameday or uniforms.

You list 15 juniors on the two deeps to argue that attrition in the jr class is not a problem and that we did not really have holes to fill as a result of it. Do you get that your list actually proves my point even further? More than HALF of the guys are walkons and another (Mitchell) is not in the two deeps.

Bower, Kulick, Meyers Boettger, Pekar, Hullett, Snyder, and Kluver are all walkons; fallback kids. Walkons are on the team in part to fill holes that were opened up by recruiting misses/transfers of the guys that Ferentz actually wanted on the team. Walkons and non-blue chip freshmen making it in the two deeps is usually a testament to my attrition point. When you have 85 scholarships at your disposal and bring in more than 20 kids in each recruiting class, the number of junior walkons you unwittingly bring up should be alarming...though I admit a lot of these walkons turned out pretty damn good...Ferentz is still lucky they are Iowa boys who chose Iowa when Iowa did not choose them.

Croston, Boone, and Ike all beat out 4 star recruit Ryan Ward for their starting spots.

 

[cidhawkeye]

"I would have sounded intelligent if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your pesky facts" iowalaw

 

[DrVenkman]

Hard to trust a lawyer.

 

[iowalaw]

I saw the U of A play Washington this weekend. Go figure, a former Hawk John Kenny, who those who blindly follow Ferentz are convinced "wasn't good enough to play LB" simply because Ferentz didn't play him...was a play maker on the field. He starts at LB for UA and had 6 tackles against the #9 team in the country. He had 4 tackles last week. Would he be starting over walk on Bo Bower? Likely.

As for Willies, I watched him play againt ASU a few weeks ago. He caught a 60 yard touchdown pass. It's a shame Kirk felt Jacob Hillyer and McCarron were more worthy of playing time than a guy like that.

We will never know how much better this team would be if we hadn't had such serious attrition from the 2013 class. One thing is for sure...most of those freshmen who burned redshirts this year due to a lack of depth on the roster, are not actually adding depth, as Kirk doesn't trust them enough to actually play them in real games.

 

[David1979]

I saw the U of A play Washington this weekend. Go figure, a former Hawk John Kenny, who those who blindly follow Ferentz are convinced "wasn't good enough to play LB" simply because Ferentz didn't play him...was a play maker on the field. He starts at LB for UA and had 6 tackles against the #9 team in the country. He had 4 tackles last week. Would he be starting over walk on Bo Bower? Likely.

As for Willies, I watched him play againt ASU a few weeks ago. He caught a 60 yard touchdown pass. It's a shame Kirk felt Jacob Hillyer and McCarron were more worthy of playing time than a guy like that.

We will never know how much better this team would be if we hadn't had such serious attrition from the 2013 class. One thing is for sure...most of those freshmen who burned redshirts this year due to a lack of depth on the roster, are not actually adding depth, as Kirk doesn't trust them enough to actually play them in real games.

How does having 6 tackles against Washington in anyway reflective of how good he is? That seems pretty low to me. So does 4.Edit: I checked and he only had 4 against this past week.

Willies would have been nice to have. But he left.

They both left. Get over it.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Derrick Willies is really lighting the world on fire down in Texas Tech's pass happy offense... 3 games, 6 catches, 144 yards, 1 TD

Texas Tech QBs have completed 112 passes for 1643 yards and 15 TD this season.

Not to mention that Riley McCarron's stats in 2014 were 1 kick return for 36 yards. So to say he took PT away from Willies is absurd. Willies' stats for 2014 were 3 games, 4 catches, 71 yards, 1 TD before he decided to quit on the team.

 

[5Fan5]

I saw the U of A play Washington this weekend. Go figure, a former Hawk John Kenny, who those who blindly follow Ferentz are convinced "wasn't good enough to play LB" simply because Ferentz didn't play him...was a play maker on the field. He starts at LB for UA and had 6 tackles against the #9 team in the country. He had 4 tackles last week. Would he be starting over walk on Bo Bower? Likely.

As for Willies, I watched him play againt ASU a few weeks ago. He caught a 60 yard touchdown pass. It's a shame Kirk felt Jacob Hillyer and McCarron were more worthy of playing time than a guy like that.

We will never know how much better this team would be if we hadn't had such serious attrition from the 2013 class. One thing is for sure...most of those freshmen who burned redshirts this year due to a lack of depth on the roster, are not actually adding depth, as Kirk doesn't trust them enough to actually play them in real games.

Exactly how many games has John Kenny started for at Arizona this season? Do not get me wrong. Kenny was a Hawk and is likely a very fine individual, but with nine total tackles in four games this season, he is not setting any football world on fire at this moment.

Willies... how many other TDs does he have for the team from Lubbock? How many games has he started? One might think that the astute coaching mind of Kliff Kingsberry would be able to quickly spot the superior talents of someone like their #11 and feature him more in that offense.

Your trolling is doing you a grave disservice.

 

[iowalaw]

Uhhh, McCarron's stats are pretty much the same this year as they were in 2014...just because he can't get open and doesn't put up any numbers, doesn't mean he isn't a starter on the team who is out there playing in the majority of plays while taking away playing time from the guys on the bench. He played a lot in 2014 and 2015...he just doesn't make any plays.

Willies plays on a team with FIVE 4 star WRs, several of whom will be playing in the NFL. Is your ignorant argument that because he doesn't lead a star studded team in catches that he couldn't possibly lead WR poor Iowa in catches? That's like saying the backup QB at Ohio State must suck a lot worse than the starting QB at Iowa State because Iowa State's qb throws for more yards. Very astute observation! lol

John Kenny was injured in their first game of the year. If you don't think our LBs could use more talent, you are drinking the kool aid.

Derrick Willies is really lighting the world on fire down in Texas Tech's pass happy offense... 3 games, 6 catches, 144 yards, 1 TD

Texas Tech QBs have completed 112 passes for 1643 yards and 15 TD this season.

Not to mention that Riley McCarron's stats in 2014 were 1 kick return for 36 yards. So to say he took PT away from Willies is absurd. Willies' stats for 2014 were 3 games, 4 catches, 71 yards, 1 TD before he decided to quit on the team.

 

[5Fan5]

Uhhh, McCarron's stats are pretty much the same this year as they were in 2014...just because he can't get open and doesn't put up any numbers, doesn't mean he isn't a starter on the team who is out there playing in the majority of plays while taking away playing time from the guys on the bench. He played a lot in 2014 and 2015...he just doesn't make any plays.

Willies plays on a team with FIVE 4 star WRs, several of whom will be playing in the NFL. Is your ignorant argument that because he doesn't lead a star studded team in catches that he couldn't possibly lead WR poor Iowa in catches? That's like saying the backup QB at Ohio State must suck a lot worse than the starting QB at Iowa State because Iowa State's qb throws for more yards. Very astute observation! lol

John Kenny was injured in their first game of the year. If you don't think our LBs could use more talent, you are drinking the kool aid.

Willies also plays on a team that regularly features an empty backfield and multiple four or five WR sets... what is your next excuse? Is Texas Tech some nationally recognized football power? Why not? You made a claim of his one and only TD thus far in 2016. For a team that throws the ball as much as Tech, that is a very poor statistic to try to support any argument of yours here.

Did you not state that, under your careful and discerning eye, that John Kenny had more than nine tackles this season?

 

[wanderer85]

I don't understand why people even respond to iowalaw.

 

[scotthawk1964]

I don't understand why people even respond to iowalaw.

When I see a post by Iowalaw I don't even usually open it because I know it's going to be ignorant. I'll tell you what, if he is a lawyer he can't be more than a public defender. Lol and I would say most of his clients have probably been prosecuted and are now serving time for crimes they did not commit. Lol

 

[whatsup13579er]

Uhhh, McCarron's stats are pretty much the same this year as they were in 2014...just because he can't get open and doesn't put up any numbers, doesn't mean he isn't a starter on the team who is out there playing in the majority of plays while taking away playing time from the guys on the bench. He played a lot in 2014 and 2015...he just doesn't make any plays.

Willies plays on a team with FIVE 4 star WRs, several of whom will be playing in the NFL. Is your ignorant argument that because he doesn't lead a star studded team in catches that he couldn't possibly lead WR poor Iowa in catches? That's like saying the backup QB at Ohio State must suck a lot worse than the starting QB at Iowa State because Iowa State's qb throws for more yards. Very astute observation! lol

John Kenny was injured in their first game of the year. If you don't think our LBs could use more talent, you are drinking the kool aid.

Willies has 6 catches out of the 112 completions Texas Tech has had this season. If he could single handedly turn around the Iowa offense, I think he would be a little more productive at TT.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Just when a thread was ready to be packaged up and thrown in the river someone shows up and posts inaccurate stats and starts the thing up again. Good job.