2017 Roster at 14 schollies + Connor; MUST be down to 13 by 1st day of classes of Fall 2017 semester

[Franisdaman]

UPDATE, NOV 9, 2016

The latest, from HawkCentral:

The addition of Garza (received signed LOI on Nov 9, 2016) and Nunge (signed LOI to come on Nov 10, 2016) already will take Iowa to 14 scholarships next season, with only 13 available.

You can sign up to a 14th player. NCAA rules, however, prohibit the signing of a 15th player. You must be down to 13 scholarship players by the first day of classes of the fall semester. This means something has to change before Connor McCaffery can come on board.

“It’ll get figured out. I’m not worried about it,” Connor McCaffery told a single reporter in the hallway outside the West High gymnasium Wednesday.

Connor is a 6-foot-6 point guard rated by ESPN as the top player in his class in Iowa, 83rd in the nation. He made the decision to play for his dad two years ago. Normally, that would mean a signing-day ceremony at his school, possibly a news conference and tons of congratulatory messages pouring in on Twitter.

“I honestly don’t care. It doesn’t make a difference to me,” McCaffery said of the absence of such activity.

“I’ll have some type of signing party eventually, just depending on when it is.”

full story is here: http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...s-time-before-joining-iowa-hawkeyes/93551458/

ORIGINAL POST:

With Garza and Nunge committing to the 2017 class (set to graduate in 2021), that puts Iowa at 15 scholarship players for NEXT SEASON. As a reminder, you can have 13 on scholarship in the men's game (for the women, there is talk of reducing scholarships from 15 to 13 to spread talent across the country and to increase parity; perhaps it is time).

To get down to the 13 sholarships:

(1) Connor McCaffery would have to walk on and there would have to be one player leaving the program.

Or,

(2) TWO PLAYERS could leave the program by next season and Connor, Luke and Jack could all be put on scholarship.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

Here is the break down of the Iowa roster by graduating class:

Graduating Class : Players

Future Graduating Classes:

2023: 1--6'6" SF Patrick McCaffery (not rated)
2022: 1--6'5" SG Joe Wieskamp (****)
2021: 3--6'5" SG Connor McCaffery (****); 6'10" C Luke Garza (***); 6'9" F Jack Nunge (***)

Current Roster (13 currently on scholarship; 0 scholarships available):

2020: 6--6'8" PF Tyler Cook (****): 6'8" SF Cordell Pemsl (***); 6'9" PF Ryan Kriener (***); 6'0" PG Jordan Bohannon (***); 6'5" SF Isaiah Moss (***; ; was reshirted in 2015-16); 6'6" G Maishe Dailey (***)

2019: 4--6'7" SF Ahmad Wagner (***); 6'4" SG Brady Ellingson (***; was redshirted in 2014-15 season); 6'6" combo guard Christian Williams (***); 6'7" SF Nick Baer (was a preferred walk on his 2014-15 red shirt year and for the 2015-16 season; put on scholarship in March 2016)

2018: 2--6'8" SF Dominique Uhl (***); 6'8" PF Dale Jones

2017: 1--6'6" SG Peter Jok


Notable Walk on players:

None

Previous graduating classes and early departures:

2016: 6--PG Anthony Clemmons, PG Mike Gesell, C Adam Woodbury, SF Jarrod Uthoff; Two players granted release in March 2016: 6'6" SG Andrew Fleming (***, was set to graduate in 2019),6'6" SF Brandon Hutton (***; was redshirted in 2015-16; was set to graduate in 2020);

2015: 5--SG Josh Ogelsby, PF Aaron White, C Gabe Olaseni, SG Kyle Denning; PG Trey Dickerson quit/left the team on Feb 23, 2015

2014 (Fran's first recruiting class): 5--PF Melsahn Basabe, SG Devyn Marble, PF Zach McCabe, SF Darius Stokes (graduated & transferred), C Kyle Meyer (granted release & transferred; he redshirted his 2012 freshman season and therefore would have been se to graduate in 2017)

2013: 1--PG Patrick Ingram (would have been part of the 2016 graduation class; transferred in March 2013, after just one season at Iowa)

 

[spbc7]

Obviously this means that Cook is so good that Fran expects him to be one-and-done

 

[Franisdaman]

Obviously this means that Cook is so good that Fran expects him to be one-and-done

who the heck knows? Just interesting as heck; can't remember a situation like this before in the Iowa men's basketball program

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Maybe Fran already discussed it with Baer and he is going back to walk on status?

 

[hawkfan1963]

Connor walks on, Jok graduates and my guess is if someone doesn't transfer in the spring, Jones graciously graduates or pays his own way if his knees let him contribute to the team this year.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Maybe Fran already discussed it with Baer and he is going back to walk on status?

no

 

[ScoutRefugee]

no

Thanks, Fran.

 

[GobysHawk]

Maybe Fran already discussed it with Baer and he is going back to walk on status?

I agree with this. Not that the kid doesn't deserve it. I think most of us agree he does. But he was already willing to pay his own way through to be a Hawkeye. Who is to say he won't do it to make the team better?

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I agree with this. Not that the kid doesn't deserve it. I think most of us agree he does. But he was already willing to pay his own way through to be a Hawkeye. Who is to say he won't do it to make the team better?

I'm throwing out an option. That's all. It's all speculation at this point. That might be the tentative agreement in case nobody transfers out next summer. Kind of a plan b, even though a transfer is a good statistical possibility.

 

[24 so far]

It's Frans team, I'll let him worry about how the scholarship money gets distributed.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

Somebody is going to transfer for playing time. That's the nature of college basketball. Fran may not know who yet but it's inevitable.

 

[Jonnymungo]

Connor walks on, Jok graduates and my guess is if someone doesn't transfer in the spring, Jones graciously graduates or pays his own way if his knees let him contribute to the team this year.

Yes to this. Blair has mentioned this in the lounde as a possibility. Especially on Jones, as yesterday was the first time I had heard that hypothesis mentioned as a scenario on how to fit both Nunge and Garza.

I hope Jones is so good (and healthy) that we will find a way to make his 6th year work. Dude can shoot.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I agree with this. Not that the kid doesn't deserve it. I think most of us agree he does. But he was already willing to pay his own way through to be a Hawkeye. Who is to say he won't do it to make the team better?

Nicholas Baer will not lose his scholarship...if you don't want to believe it...so be it.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Thanks, Fran.

you don't know me...so don't start.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

you don't know me...so don't start.

From the sound of it, I don't want to know you.

 

[hawk-i bob]

From the sound of it, I don't want to know you.

ok stop.....I don't care what you think of me...I simply replied that Nicholas Baer will not lose nor be asked to give back his scholarship. That's a fact...I don't care whether you believe it or not.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

ok stop.....I don't care what you think of me...I simply replied that Nicholas Baer will not lose nor be asked to give back his scholarship. That's a fact...I don't care whether you believe it or not.

I don't care one way or another. I wasn't stating it as fact. I said that I was simply throwing out possible options. I'll see if there is an ignore feature on this forum and you and I will have no further issues.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I don't care one way or another. I wasn't stating it as fact. I said that I was simply throwing out possible options. I'll see if there is an ignore feature on this forum and you and I will have no further issues.

yes there is an ignore..and I simply replied no..because he wont lose it.
You responded thanks Fran..

 

[24 so far]

ok stop.....I don't care what you think of me...I simply replied that Nicholas Baer will not lose nor be asked to give back his scholarship. That's a fact...I don't care whether you believe it or not.

Baer losing his scholarship was about as likely as me paying for Connor's.............. Of all the options out there, that was a reach of epic proportions for sure.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Baer losing his scholarship was about as likely as me paying for Connor's.............. Of all the options out there, that was a reach of epic proportions for sure.

Sure. But you can't say it's not an option. And it's not something worth arguing about.

 

[TripleCherry]

yes there is an ignore..and I simply replied no..because he wont lose it.
You responded thanks Fran..

You are a bit of a know it all and these days with the hyper internet sensitivity

I agree with this. Not that the kid doesn't deserve it. I think most of us agree he does. But he was already willing to pay his own way through to be a Hawkeye. Who is to say he won't do it to make the team better?

no

 

[hawk-i bob]

You are a bit of a know it all and these days with the hyper internet sensitivity


no

Don't really care what you think I am or not.

I can say Baer losing his scholarship to accommodate Nunge is not an option because I KNOW its not. As Fran has stated ..he is aware of the scholarship situation & is confident it will work out. I don't know what that is or will be..but it wont be Nicholas going off scholarship so Nunge goes on.

If you think that makes me a know it all...that's your problem. I do know this one.

 

[91hawki]

Conner walks on and either Jones or BE will be done after this year.

There is your 2 rides

 

[DenverTurtle]

Here's a wild card I don't think has been brought up yet. (Disclaimer : I have no information either way, I'm simply suggesting it as a possibility)

Fran mentioned in a radio interview this year that there are pro scouts that come to Connor's baseball games. IIRC Connor was considered the top player in the state this year and he still has one more year to play.

Maybe Fran and Connor think there is a real enough possibility that Connor could get drafted high enough that he doesn't come to college right out of high school but plays pro baseball next year instead.
If Connor did this he could still have basketball eligibility, he could pull a Chris Weinke (the basketball equivalent) and be a 25 year old stud freshmen if a pro baseball career doesn't work out.

 

[Rifler]

I predict that Ellingson transfers due to lack of playing time......

 

[LaoHawk]

I predict that IA as a team will amp up to play their best game because everyone knows there at least one player that slacks or lacks the motivation will accept the "short straw" to transfer out honorably. IA will have another good year and very bright future with all the upgrade on talent level as a whole. Real question is, who is the surprise emergent player or players this year?

 

[Jumpshot00]

My guess is that on this board over the next 6-7 months there will be endless speculation about how this scholarship thing plays out...from the body language on the bench to dissecting Fran's comments to third and fourth hand information being shared the opinions on who leaves will be a constant.

The scenarios are endless and speculation is part of what we do on a board like this. As the OP laid out, it looks like at least one player has left the program each year since 2012. Could one of these commits end up not signing? There are a lot of freshman/sophomores on the team and a few of them will end up at the bottom of the pecking order like Fleming did last year.

It could be an upperclassman-lots of people of this board (including me) haven't Brady E. show enough to be a serious contributor, maybe Dale Jones doesn't want to spend a 6th year in college, maybe Dom U. regresses and ends up in Fran's doghouse and decides to go back East or back to Germany, maybe Ahmad W. gives up bb for football, maybe Isiah Moss rides the bench and is unhappy of 2 straight years of not playing. There is a possibility of pretty much anyone leaving for just about any reason. The only thing for sure is it will be continuously analyzed.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I hope it's not the "Conner isn't playing basketball because of baseball" option. That wouldn't be good for the immediate future of Iowa basketball.

 

[Titanhawk2]

I predict that Ellingson transfers due to lack of playing time......

What if he doesn't want to leave, even without playing time?

 

[hawk-i bob]

My guess is that on this board over the next 6-7 months there will be endless speculation about how this scholarship thing plays out...from the body language on the bench to dissecting Fran's comments to third and fourth hand information being shared the opinions on who leaves will be a constant.

The scenarios are endless and speculation is part of what we do on a board like this. As the OP laid out, it looks like at least one player has left the program each year since 2012. Could one of these commits end up not signing? There are a lot of freshman/sophomores on the team and a few of them will end up at the bottom of the pecking order like Fleming did last year.

It could be an upperclassman-lots of people of this board (including me) haven't Brady E. show enough to be a serious contributor, maybe Dale Jones doesn't want to spend a 6th year in college, maybe Dom U. regresses and ends up in Fran's doghouse and decides to go back East or back to Germany, maybe Ahmad W. gives up bb for football, maybe Isiah Moss rides the bench and is unhappy of 2 straight years of not playing. There is a possibility of pretty much anyone leaving for just about any reason. The only thing for sure is it will be continuously analyzed.

you are right...speculation of who may or may not transfer is what we board posters do.

Once the season starts the speculation turns to actual minutes...obviously the biggest reason for transferring are minutes. Anyone who is playing limited minutes is a candidate to transfer.

 

[mstp1992]

Sure. But you can't say it's not an option. And it's not something worth arguing about.

If one is being completely logical and proposing any and all possibilities, then yes, Baer giving up his scholarship is an "option."

A rational and reasonable option? Not in any way, shape, or form.

Most likely are those already mentioned involving Ellingson and Jones.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

If one is being completely logical and proposing any and all possibilities, then yes, Baer giving up his scholarship is an "option."

A rational and reasonable option? Not in any way, shape, or form.

Most likely are those already mentioned involving Ellingson and Jones.

I admit it's an unlikely scenario but one I would rather believe possible than Fran running off another player that has already come to depend on that scholarship.
I don't care one way or another. Fran is going to do what he thinks is best for his program. I'm not going to defend the position again. So if anyone else is going to repeat it again, don't waste your time.

 

[2432Hawk]

I think it's been pretty clear that Connor is walking on and redshirting for basketball next year to help space he and Bohannon as well as allow 3 years to play with Pat. He will also play baseball.

Dale Jones may have been granted a 6th year of eligibility but I understand he's yet been cleared medically to play and there is a possibility he may not?

And I'd not be surprised if Tyler Cook is not testing the NBA waters next Spring as well, yes... he's that talented!

 

[2432Hawk]

With Garza and Nunge committing to the 2017 class (set to graduate in 2021), that puts Iowa at 15 scholarship players for NEXT SEASON. As a reminder, you can have 13 on scholarship in the men's game (for the women, there is talk of reducing scholarships from 15 to 13 to spread talent across the country and to increase parity; perhaps it is time).

To get down to the 13 sholarships:

(1) Connor McCaffery would have to walk on and there would have to be one player leaving the program.

Or,

(2) TWO PLAYERS could leave the program by next season and Connor, Luke and Jack could all be put on scholarship.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

Here is the break down of the Iowa roster by graduating class:

Graduating Class : Players

Future Graduating Classes:

2023: 1--6'6" SF Patrick McCaffery (not rated)
2022: 1--6'5" SG Joe Wieskamp (****)
2021: 3--6'5" SG Connor McCaffery (****); 6'10" C Luke Garza (***); 6'9" F Jack Nunge (***)

Current Roster (13 currently on scholarship; 0 scholarships available):

2020: 6--6'8" PF Tyler Cook (****): 6'8" SF Cordell Pemsl (***); 6'9" PF Ryan Kriener (***); 6'0" PG Jordan Bohannon (***); 6'5" SF Isaiah Moss (***; ; was reshirted in 2015-16); 6'6" G Maishe Dailey (***)

2019: 4--6'7" SF Ahmad Wagner (***); 6'4" SG Brady Ellingson (***; was redshirted in 2014-15 season); 6'6" combo guard Christian Williams (***); 6'7" SF Nick Baer (was a preferred walk on his 2014-15 red shirt year and for the 2015-16 season; put on scholarship in March 2016)

2018: 2--6'8" SF Dominique Uhl (***); 6'8" PF Dale Jones

2017: 1--6'6" SG Peter Jok


Notable Walk on players:

2020: 1--6'6" 192lbs. SF Riley Till
2021: 1--6'2" 170lbs. PG/OG Austin Ash

Previous graduating classes and early departures:

2016: 6--PG Anthony Clemmons, PG Mike Gesell, C Adam Woodbury, SF Jarrod Uthoff; Two players granted release in March 2016: 6'6" SG Andrew Fleming (***, was set to graduate in 2019),6'6" SF Brandon Hutton (***; was redshirted in 2015-16; was set to graduate in 2020);

2015: 5--SG Josh Ogelsby, PF Aaron White, C Gabe Olaseni, SG Kyle Denning; PG Trey Dickerson quit/left the team on Feb 23, 2015

2014 (Fran's first recruiting class): 5--PF Melsahn Basabe, SG Devyn Marble, PF Zach McCabe, SF Darius Stokes (graduated & transferred), C Kyle Meyer (granted release & transferred; he redshirted his 2012 freshman season and therefore would have been se to graduate in 2017)

2013: 1--PG Patrick Ingram (would have been part of the 2016 graduation class; transferred in March 2013, after just one season at Iowa)

FIFY

 

[SSG T]

The only prediction that I'll make is that by spring there is another open scholarship. It could be Jones not being cleared and leaving, it could be Cook going pro, it could be one of the current players transferring. I have no idea HOW one will open, just that one WILL open.

Honestly, at this point, with them not even having started practice yet, it really isn't worth worrying or arguing about. I'm just very confident that both Garza and Nunge will be on scholarship at the point they need to be.

 

[hawk-i bob]

The only prediction that I'll make is that by spring there is another open scholarship. It could be Jones not being cleared and leaving, it could be Cook going pro, it could be one of the current players transferring. I have no idea HOW one will open, just that one WILL open.

Honestly, at this point, with them not even having started practice yet, it really isn't worth worrying or arguing about. I'm just very confident that both Garza and Nunge will be on scholarship at the point they need to be.

I agree but I don't think anyone is arguing...just speculation...nothing wrong with that. Kakert posted he believes once on scholarship , you stay on scholarship. You are spot on...Fran would not have offered Garza & Nunge if he wasn't confident (which he stated a couple days ago he was) that the scholarship limit will work out.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

The sheer volume of transfers that occur every year probably necessitates over signing in every class, every year. Which is a shame.

 

[Ronman]

McCaffrey has created a problem with this roster and it's not necessarily a bad one. He has accumulated a large number of players all with essentially the same level of basketball proficiency. Not saying they all have the same skills, but they are almost all pretty decent players. You can't play thirteen players a game. It just isn't feasible. Therefore, some players are going to be left on the outside looking in and today's players have so many options that few of them are content to sit at the end of the bench and just be a part of a good program. We saw that last year with the transfer of Fleming (who must have thought he was out of his depth) and Hutton (who didn't even hang around to find out for sure). Players just aren't willing to wait their turn as they did in the past. You have to figure that there will be some players unhappy with their situation this year and will transfer out thereby solving our roster problem.

 

[StillGold]

There is clear precedent for a coach having his son walk on and paying the tuition. Can a coach do the same for a player who is not his son?

 

[ScoutRefugee]

There is clear precedent for a coach having his son walk on and paying the tuition. Can a coach do the same for a player who is not his son?

I don't think so. That would be an NCAA "extra benefit"