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2018 Recruiting- How do they finish the class?

millhawk said:
With Craddieth, Brents, Hooker and Stone in the program at the same time. The battles for playing time will be epic. Oh and can't forget about Clayberg.
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Parker has done a great job of developing corners with any body type ... but he's had plenty of luck with guys who are long and lean too. Josh Jackson fits that description to a T, as did Bradley Fletcher and Micah Hyde. Thus, I anticipate that at least Brents is slated to work at corner initially at Iowa.

Also, there will be an adequate buffer in terms of eligibility that the new safeties will be able to learn from great upperclassmen safeties ... and then push for starting spots when they've adequately learned the D. In the interim, like most great Iowa safeties ... they'll initially earn their stripes on special teams.
 
2 Crystal Balls have just updated to Torres flipping to Western Michigan. Given our depth at TE and with Lee coming in 2019, this might not be the worst flip. Opens up another spot for another more needed position.
 
WCAC_Fan_10 said:
2 Crystal Balls have just updated to Torres flipping to Western Michigan. Given our depth at TE and with Lee coming in 2019, this might not be the worst flip. Opens up another spot for another more needed position.
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Agree, I am assuming that is why they are bringing in both WRs this weekend. Stoops and Lockett.
 
David1979 said:
Agree, I am assuming that is why they are bringing in both WRs this weekend. Stoops and Lockett.
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That would drop the class back down to 14. Still on the board, for 4-5 more spot, are:

Honas
Craddieth (has stated won't commit by early signing period)
Petras
Stoops
Lockett
Petersen (no offer as of yet, visiting this weekend)
 
This is going to be an interesting couple of weeks leading up to the early signing date. Lot’s of players reconsidering as well as coaches re-evaluating. Sounds like Torres may be flipping.
 
One thing in was thinking about last night it is going to be interesting to see the fallout this year of that 2nd tier for the "elite" programs.

Example: you are a 4 star who Alabama has been stringing along in case they don't get thier 5 star, the 5 star isn't ready to commit early but the 4 star is.... what happens with the 4 star? Or your a 4 star behind a 5 star and "bama" wants both but they have not had thier time to pull the shady SEC stuff yet where they "cut" player x post season to make room foe both.... now what. I think this early period is going to create unexpected results and if our staff can use it to thier advantage pay off huge for what I would call "tier 2" schools.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
One thing in was thinking about last night it is going to be interesting to see the fallout this year of that 2nd tier for the "elite" programs.

Example: you are a 4 star who Alabama has been stringing along in case they don't get thier 5 star, the 5 star isn't ready to commit early but the 4 star is.... what happens with the 4 star? Or your a 4 star behind a 5 star and "bama" wants both but they have not had thier time to pull the shady SEC stuff yet where they "cut" player x post season to make room foe both.... now what. I think this early period is going to create unexpected results and if our staff can use it to thier advantage pay off huge for what I would call "tier 2" schools.
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There will be some new drama created by the early signing period also.

For example, we will start to hear this:

"Player X was verbally committed, but he did not sign during the early signing period?!?!? What the hell is going on here? I'm freaking out, and I demand answers..."
 
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WCAC_Fan_10 said:
2 Crystal Balls have just updated to Torres flipping to Western Michigan. Given our depth at TE and with Lee coming in 2019, this might not be the worst flip. Opens up another spot for another more needed position.
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Interesting development. Maybe allows VanSumeren to flip over to TE if the need/opportunity arises at TE. I wonder if they've just not been showing him love ... OR maybe he's voiced that he may not sign early. If he doesn't sign early ... then maybe the Hawks told him that his spot cannot be guaranteed? I dunno ... interesting but somewhat odd stuff. I know that recruiting priorities have shifted some through the course of the season ... so maybe that has come to impact Torres?
 
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Iowa Coaches visit 4* rb Markese Stepp, offer gopher lb commit Braelen Oliver, and Scott Frost went to visit Dallas Craddieth today.

Stepp had a down year and ND may have told him they were all set at rb, something akin to our departure with Anthony Torres. Oliver has good toughness and excitement for the game. Hope the Craddieth/Debby relationship is not rekindled.
 
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Read somewhere that there may be some academic issues with Stepp, but I don't know if there is any validity to it.
 
Hmmm....interesting. we offered Stepp well over a year and a half ago after a strong sophomore campaign. He pretty much missed all of his junior year with injury and only ran for 975 this past year.
 
Lots of recruits in Iowa City starting today. This is going to be interesting with the new early signing date on the 20th.
 
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WCAC_Fan_10 said:
That would drop the class back down to 14. Still on the board, for 4-5 more spot, are:

Honas
Craddieth (has stated won't commit by early signing period)
Petras
Stoops
Lockett
Petersen (no offer as of yet, visiting this weekend)
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We now have interest from Markese Stepp a four star rb from Indy. If Craddieth waits to Feb, I think we lose him to Nebraska. We go for the best available in Stepp, the other Indy guys will help us there. Since we have Waggoner we don't offer Petersen, maybe a pwo. Petras is highly interested if he stays with OSU we go hard after Wilson the Boise State commit.
 
I love me some crootin'. Hopefully the staff and commits seal the deal with some of the remaining wants. 31 degrees sat and almost 50 Sunday. Hopefully the kid from Cali is here today or Sunday. Stepp had flipped to purdont but I have to believe we have a shot. It would be AWESOME to get lockett, he would give us a deep ball threat we don't seem to have and could open up a largo pipeline. Craddith has held his word so far have to trust him now.
 
ghostOfHomer777 said:
Interesting development. Maybe allows VanSumeren to flip over to TE if the need/opportunity arises at TE. I wonder if they've just not been showing him love ... OR maybe he's voiced that he may not sign early. If he doesn't sign early ... then maybe the Hawks told him that his spot cannot be guaranteed? I dunno ... interesting but somewhat odd stuff. I know that recruiting priorities have shifted some through the course of the season ... so maybe that has come to impact Torres?
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They groom VanSumeren at the Mike. He takes over after Honas graduates.
 
The early signing period will be interesting in how it helps the program to "lock in" some recruits .... but how will it change their approach to how they "finish off" a recruiting class?

Obviously there is always the dynamicism of how of circumstances change. Maybe a guy like Joly wants to leave early now ... whereas before he was intent as remaining on as a career backup. Maybe a walk-on elevated his play to a point where the only "fair" thing for the coaches was to reward the guy with a 'ship. Those are all circumstances that can impact that art of "roster arithmetic."

For a long time, Iowa used to bank on selling RB recruits on our preference on having a single feature RB who would have a hefty work-load. Unfortunately, we got burned by too many commits AND the program suffered due to inadequate depth at RB. Iowa subsequently shifted it's philosophy at RB to maintain a well-stocked group.

How we deal with DBs is intriguing too ... Phil Parker is a great coach ... but he is also a natural "filter" too. We tend to stock up on DB recruits ... the top guys who understand and trust Phil stick around ... and then our DB depth seems to eventually drop to maddeningly thin levels ... and then the process resets and repeats itself.

Iowa's personnel on the DL tends to work differently ... player retention under Reese Morgan tends to be abnormally high compared to many of our other position groups. Part of that might be attributable to the understanding that a good D-lineman truly must be "built." Maybe it's also recognized that just a single good year of starts within Iowa's system can still place a guy into the NFL. Whatever the issue, Iowa's DL usually seems to lose guys due to injuries and position changes rather than other factors.

During fall camp the coaches get to work with all of the players. However, during the season ... the majority of the coaching attention goes to the guys who are most likely to play. Now, that the attention has turned to bowl-prep ... the attention has turned inward back to teaching and interacting with ALL of the guys again. Thus, the coaches "reconnect" with the pulse of the whole team ... and that now gives them a clearer picture about player retention. Furthermore, it gives them an opportunity to re-evaluate the guys in their respective rooms ... to see who are keeping themselves sharp ... to see who is hungry ... who is continuing to improve?

So how will this all impact what we see in how priorities shift AFTER the early signing period?
 
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millhawk said:
They groom VanSumeren at the Mike. He takes over after Honas graduates.
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VanSumeren's resume reminds me a ton of Ben Niemann's ... however, his 1000+ receiving yards points to him projecting to TE just fine if we need someone there eventually too!

Iowa graduates not only 3 starting LBs ... but Ward was a very trusted guy as a back-up LEO. Ward was also a special-teams ACE for us. Of our "other" LBs, here are the guys who saw action this year ... with us understanding that most of this action was on special teams:

Hockaday - 6 games
Jones - 11 games
Mends - 11 games
N. Niemann - 12 games
Welch - 10 games
 
millhawk said:
BVS could do well at te. I just think he's a natural Mike in the BIG. I think he will thrive there, but it's nice to have versatile athletes.
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I'd agree that his athleticism is a nice attribute to have for a guy who could be stuck in coverage against potentially "shifty" RBs. That can often be a really tough assignment for a "traditional" LB.
 
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David1979 said:
Staff is hitting the trail hard. Interesting they are going after Stepp again. I think Honas will end up a hawk from the sounds of it.
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I would guess that Stepp could be in the picture simply because Iowa likely doesn't feel like it HAS to sign ANY more RBs. If they miss on some other positional guys ... maybe they retain a willingness to take Stepp.
 
ghostOfHomer777 said:
I could definitely be wrong - but I believe they are different posters. Muskie appears to have a greater understanding of line-play and the tendencies of Iowa's running game more than Chad does.
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Agreed, not near as eloquent however...or at painting people into corners...:D

I have pretty definitively said many times I'm not an X & O guy.

On a corollary note I'm honestly shocked. I really thought NDSM was just joking. I truly thought he was a little sharper than this...he really thought it was me, clearly you knew better than that Homer.

I understand humanity, likelihoods and what doesn't or doesn't make sense & debate. I can also understand angles, point of attack, general philosophies what is happening that is causing us not to be successful...by the way it typically isn't play calling or scheme.

But I'm not going to discuss with you at length running scheme or zone blocking philosophy. And I have never ever ever suggested I was in the know or knew any of the coaches.

I also found it very comical that you're going to suggest I'm just minding my own business and all of a sudden belittle or attack someone that's good stuff. You guys continue with this narrative that you just have "opinions"...you don't have opinions your jackasses, mean spirited and hostile.

And although I think muskie probably does have some connections and understands the general Xs & Os of football better than me. I hope he doesn't get offended by me saying we're not in the same league as far as "trapping" people in their folly & general debate or dialogue.

Also I have listed my phone number and place of business & my name a number of times over the years. Never ever ever would I post under a different screen name. I would consider that a slight against humanity & my character. I take honesty and integrity to an exceptionally high regard.

I hope this clears up any confusion NDSM! Again I seriously thought you were joking...just wow!!!!
 
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cmhawks99 said:
Agreed, not near as eloquent however...or at painting people into corners...:D

I have pretty definitively said many times I'm not an X & O guy.

On a corollary note I'm honestly shocked. I really thought NDSM was just joking. I truly thought he was a little sharper than this...he really thought it was me, clearly you knew better than that Homer.

I understand humanity, likelihoods and what doesn't or doesn't make sense & debate. I can also understand angles, point of attack, general philosophies what is happening that is causing us not to be successful...by the way it typically isn't play calling or scheme.

But I'm not going to discuss with you at length running scheme or zone blocking philosophy. And I have never ever ever suggested I was in the know or knew any of the coaches.

I also found it very comical that you're going to suggest I'm just minding my own business and all of a sudden belittle or attack someone that's good stuff. You guys continue with this narrative that you just have "opinions"...you don't have opinions your jackasses, mean spirited and hostile.

And although I think muskie probably does have some connections and understands the general Xs & Os of football better than me. I hope he doesn't get offended by me saying we're not in the same league as far as "trapping" people in their folly & general debate or dialogue.

Also I have listed my phone number and place of business & my name a number of times over the years. Never ever ever would I post under a different screen name. I would consider that a slight against humanity & my character. I take honesty and integrity to an exceptionally high regard.

I hope this clears up any confusion NDSM! Again I seriously thought you were joking...just wow!!!!
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I'm not offended. I'm not into 'trapping'. That takes some tact. I hate tact, I don't have time for tact with a few of these heroes. If they are going to act like self absorbed little children, then I treat them accordingly.
 
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Muskie5 said:
I'm not offended. I'm not into 'trapping'. That takes some tact. I hate tact, I don't have time for tact with a few of these heroes. If they are going to act like self absorbed little children, then I treat them accordingly.
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Of that we agree.
 
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I see where Daviyon Nixon was added to the commitment list. Anthony Torres still needs to be scratched. We have 15 verbal Commitments right now. It will be interesting to see how big this class will get. I am thinking up to 22 with some possible transfers out due to depth chart concerns.
 
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As they say a photo says a 1000 words and who knows how many photos were taken but some guys look like they want to be there and a couple guys dont. As guys head home we might get snippets of information but everything I have seen says any new commits are going to be a week or so. There may be guys looking for better offers and may be guys that get told there isn't a spot from other teams that come into play.
 
Stoops may not be the surefire commit some were thinking he was. Obviously he has significant affinity for his home state Sooners. Not necessarily looking to sign during the early period. Not having an offer does not sound like a deterrent for him to go to OU.
 
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Gotta admit the fact stoops basically has a full ride as a walk on to OK is huge. That being said, if the guy thinks he would ever sniff the feild for OK he is crazy. I would put him as our backup for the Easley role option for the class and honestly think the second Sampson steps on the feild, at that spot, its going to be like watching fant at tight end. (I'm very bullish on S. E.)
 
Beat on the street is Copeland went down to visit lockett today. Getting late for a commit tonight but I think they are trying tonget him before he can visit anywhere else this weekend.
 
This might be something to get cleaned up as we fish for bigger trophies

Everybody this weekend- "where you from?"
Me- "Largo, Fl"
Them- "what's that?"
Me- "Tampa area"

That's Calvin locketts twitter... in not saying this will mean anything in the end but if that home feel is what we are going for we might want to atleast have a couple guys know where "home" is.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
This might be something to get cleaned up as we fish for bigger trophies

Everybody this weekend- "where you from?"
Me- "Largo, Fl"
Them- "what's that?"
Me- "Tampa area"

That's Calvin locketts twitter... in not saying this will mean anything in the end but if that home feel is what we are going for we might want to atleast have a couple guys know where "home" is.
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Are you sure he isn't talking about the other recruits there? I'm having a pretty hard time believing the coaches or any players assigned sign to "Court him" wouldn't know.

And you can Count me in the camp who have been pretty happy with the last several classes we've signed...we're getting ready to start putting a lot of kids in the NFL off these classes.
 
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Sugar snaps! Honas is going to visit Brasky. F.them. If he was a freshmen, maybe, a good decision. Scott frost is going to be decent but it will take him 2 years just to get it turned around.
 
Yes we are getting some solid recruiting classes in. I think the program is headed for a sustained resurgence. I really like the mix of players we have gotten and see future Nfl written on a number of guys.

Van Sumeran at the Mike backer spot has me picturing Luke Keuchly 2.0.

As the coaching staff settles in and jells and we get some passionate players who love the game, we'll see greater success. First thing, get a bowl win.
 
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Interesting how many want BVS as the Mike. I admit that I don’t always know the different terminology, but I don’t think he is our middle LB of the future. I think he fits the role that Kirksey and AJ Edds filled. Is that Leo? Will?

I used to follow recruiting a lot closer than I do now, and I distinctly remember when it came down to those final offers that the recruiting analysts continually said that Josey Jewell was the hardest hitter in the state. Well, if I am not mistaken, Dillon Doyle is the hardest hitter in the state right now, and it is not really very close from what I am finding.

I think Dillon Doyle is your MLB of the future and BVS with his athletic ability is an OLB.
 
Harbinger273 said:
Yes we are getting some solid recruiting classes in. I think the program is headed for a sustained resurgence. I really like the mix of players we have gotten and see future Nfl written on a number of guys.

Van Sumeran at the Mike backer spot has me picturing Luke Keuchly 2.0.

As the coaching staff settles in and jells and we get some passionate players who love the game, we'll see greater success. First thing, get a bowl win.
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I understand your comparison to Keuchly by physical standards, but great middle linebackers have instincts you can't coach. Keuchly has that. Jewell has that. They can 'slow the game down' in there minds and react very quickly. We have no idea if Van Sumeran has that ability. Has he even played LB before? I see him as a LEO anyway with his ball skills. I think that's where they are projecting him. But, with them cutting Torres loose are they going to give him a shot at TE now?
 
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