3 Point TD Approved
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Just heard this from someone else as well. Point inflation following 4 pt near fall. I don't think this solves the lack of action problem in wrestling right now but am interested to see how it changes the pace of matches.
Stupid, just fricken stupid.
This will not create more action.
This will not create more action.
A shot clock or calling anything that even resembles stalling as stalling will increase action. I doubt anything else will create action.
Get a lead and sit on it. Get a takedown, the guy escapes. Winning guy goes into stall mode. 2nd period losing guy gets an escape. He is down 3-2 and the winner stays in stall mode. 3rd period winning guy takes neutral and stays in stall mode and wins 3-2.
Without the refs calling stalling - nothing really changes.
Get a lead and sit on it. Get a takedown, the guy escapes. Winning guy goes into stall mode. 2nd period losing guy gets an escape. He is down 3-2 and the winner stays in stall mode. 3rd period winning guy takes neutral and stays in stall mode and wins 3-2.
Without the refs calling stalling - nothing really changes.
This. Just call stalling. That's good enough.
What a joke. Make the takedowns 13 points and there’ll be even more scoring! No one is hesitating to initiate takedowns because they’re not worth enough. Keep changing the rules and scoring to make it foreign to the viewers and you’ll keep sliding toward a freestyle-sized audience.
But that's a pipe dream. It's too subjective and refs are NOT going to do it consistently no matter what.
Your statement screams Iowa Wrestling. If anything you should be ecstatic. Just my take.
I think it would be interesting to see what a passivity/shot clock system would look like in Folkstyle if we replaced the current stalling system with that. Might be hard to incorporate with mat wrestling as it stands, but certainly interesting. Passivity/Shot clock and criteria do a good job of promoting action in Freestyle. More so than the step out, IMO.
Also, they just totally ruined "TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!". Not cool.
I'm undecided on how I feel about the 3pt td.
Don't really like the re-addition of a 3pt nf or no change to getting rt point.
Love the expanding of 5 sec count for ankle rides, re-wording of top responsibility to turn, and reaction time for all tds.
Also love the review process changes. The entire sequence would now be reviewed, not just one specific move(no dead time). Much like freestyle does now. Please let me know if I am misinterpreting that rule change.
Don't really like the re-addition of a 3pt nf or no change to getting rt point.
Love the expanding of 5 sec count for ankle rides, re-wording of top responsibility to turn, and reaction time for all tds.
Also love the review process changes. The entire sequence would now be reviewed, not just one specific move(no dead time). Much like freestyle does now. Please let me know if I am misinterpreting that rule change.
Add push outs and remove riding time. 95% of the current lack of scoring move action is immediately solved. But that's apparently too easy a fix.
Love it. About time wrestling makes some real changes. Like Rob Koll said, TD tk back for 4 requires at least 5td to come back from. That’s too much at this level.
I hope they keep it.
And they need a push out point
I hope they keep it.
And they need a push out point
Takedown should be 15. Get the first takedown, you win the match. That eliminates the last 4-5 minutes of stalling. BOOM! Genius!
You do realize that Iowa leads all of DI teams in bonus points at NCAA's over the past 4 years right????
I’m inclined to think that if anything this will encourage first period takedowns and holding leads after that. I loved the 4-point NF, this may suck
Does that include 2018 NCAAs because we scored a crapload there too. That team had more bonus than any team going back ten years except for one PSU team iirc.
Reversal should be 3 too. reversal followed by escape by opponent should be worth more than an escape itself.
Who wants this? Enforce the rules already on the books. Force a mandatory stalling if a shot isn’t taken within x amount of time.
2022: PSU 16; Iowa 12.5
2021: PSU 17; Iowa 27
2019: PSU 28; Iowa 13
2018: PSU 23.5; Iowa 30.5
Last 4 years combined: PSU 84.5; Iowa 83
Tell me I messed up somewhere and I’ll own it. Just tell me where.
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Love the rule changes. There's just no way that an escape should be worth 50% of a takedown. This will lead to more majors and techs. Will also lead to more effort from the losing wrestler, knowing they can get back in the match much easier.
What it won't fix? Action as a whole. Would need a step out and referees to actually call stalling.
FS is doing it right. 45 seconds or less of no scoring? SOMEONE is less active than the other. HIT HIM. It's really not that hard of a concept.
What it won't fix? Action as a whole. Would need a step out and referees to actually call stalling.
FS is doing it right. 45 seconds or less of no scoring? SOMEONE is less active than the other. HIT HIM. It's really not that hard of a concept.
It was actually one of the few things I read vs actually calculated myself. It could have been from before 2022.
Still, EVEN THEN, if Iowa is only 1.5 points behind PSU, I still think it’s a pretty damn compelling argument against the post I responded to. Wouldn’t you agree?
You messed up by coming here.
Certainly. And I didn’t know PSU would end up ahead when I decided to check it. I just thought it was interesting enough to check. I remember Iowa’s pinfest in 2018 too. And Iowa circa 2021 wasn’t far off it.
Yep, going to be some stupid looking license plates out there now.
Yeah, that 2020 team scored quite a bit of bonus at B1G’s too. The argument that Iowa stalls and just holds onto the lead is just incredibly stupid. The only thing that does happen is when they run into faster, more athletic wrestlers at NCAA’s that is what the fan that doesn’t know what he is watching THINKS he sees.
Guess what? That is what it is going to look like no matter what team they wrestle for…
Agree that stalling needs to be called, but the new scenario rewards takedowns more appropriately. If there are escape points, then there needs to be a bigger gap between takedown points and escape points. Old rules, a guy can be up 4-2 with 2 takedowns and he gets taken down at end of period and it’s 4-4. But he has 2 takedowns to 1. In the new scoring scenario, it’s 6-5. It rewards takedowns more appropriately than escapes. Also, if a guy gets taken down and escapes, he has to wrestle to try to get ahead rather than trying to get his point back by riding and hanging in for a minute of riding time. Rewarding a takedown more will make more action. The guy ahead could stall under any point system. 3 point takedown will force guys getting beat to wrestle more.
Sure would!
So I what I had earlier showed as 2022 was actually 2023. Then I skipped 2022.
2023: PSU 16; Iowa 12.5
2022: PSU 16.5; Iowa 9.5
2021: PSU 17; Iowa 27
2019: PSU 28; Iowa 13
2018: PSU 23.5; Iowa 30.5
Last 4 years: PSU 77.5; Iowa 62
Last 5 years: PSU 101; Iowa 92.5
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You guys are all missing the most important rule change and that’s no more riding just to ride. Top man has to be going for a fall. Obviously, the officials must enforce but it starts with a change in the rulebook.
Correct! ^^ Now I am going to have to buy another foam "hand" that signals "three". Dang it.
